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Title: Cory Gardner (piece of shit) on Colorado: ‘Cruz had it. Trump didn’t. End of story.’
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Published: Apr 12, 2016
Author: Alex Swoyer
Post Date: 2016-04-13 08:39:11 by cranky
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Views: 14844
Comments: 62
“How on earth are you going to defeat ISIS if you can’t figure out the @cologop convention?” the Colorado senator tweeted.
Gardner took to Twitter unleashing a series of tweets blasting Trump for claiming that the Colorado delegate selection was a fix after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) swept nearly all the delegates at the state GOP convention: I've attended CO GOP conventions for years. It requires organization & attn to grassroots to win. Cruz had it. Trump didn't. End of story.
— Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
Darryl Glenn came out of nowhere to win @cologop convention for US Senate. That should be the story. Not @realDonaldTrump's temper tantrum.
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
.@tedcruz showed up to the @cologop convention. @realDonaldTrump only sent a surrogate. Cruz swept. Elections are won by those who show up.
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
Spoke to dozens of Trump supporters this weekend, listened to his surrogate speak twice, not 1 person complained abt process until he lost.
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
How on earth are you going to defeat ISIS if you can't figure out the @cologop convention? -CG #copolitics
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
How can you protect Israel at the UN when you're completely baffled by the @cologop convention process? -CG #copolitics
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
If you cannot navigate the @cologop convention what is your plan for Putin? #copolitics
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
If you can't figure out the Colorado GOP delegate process how can you figure out how to balance the national budget?
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
I'm proud of the @cologop and Chairman Steve House for a fair and well run convention. Onward to victory. #copolitics
— Cory Gardner (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016
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Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) is questioning how GOP frontrunner Donald Trump could defeat the Islamic State (ISIS) after he seemed unable to figure out the Colorado delegate process.
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
— Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) (@CoryGardner) April 12, 2016 Well, he would know since Gardner and every elected Republican in Colorado has been nominated and elected by the Colorado GOP via its caucus system which has been in place since 2004. When Trump attacks the CO caucus system, he is attacking the legitimacy of every elected Republican in the state. And every delegate from the state. The only thing that actually changed last year was they cancelled the non-binding caucus straw poll for president. Colorado has preferred unbound delegates and the RNC made a new rule last year that if you held any sort of vote for prez, you had to bind your delegates to them. So Colorado GOP just cancelled their "beauty pageant" straw poll since they wanted their delegates to remain unbound. Cruz did "win" Colorado by a certain measure but, technically, those are still unbound delegates on the first ballot. Good luck to Trump trying to pick up a single one of them. I've wondered if Trump might decide to challenge the outcome. I actually hope he does because it would open a huge can of worms that would backfire on his victories in other caucus states.
Then why not have a primary where the voters know that the delegates are unbound? We know why. Because the Colorado GOP is corrupt.
He does have a point. There are similarities between ISIS and the Colorado GOP.
The rules are published and well-known to all. This has been in place since 2004. I'm not sure whether they bound their delegates in 2000 and in previous elections or not. I know that the CO GOP and Dims decided it cost too much to hold statewide primary votes for the public since it never resulted in them getting any attention from the candidates. CO has been frustrated for decades in its efforts to become a battleground state. So they just gave up on it and went to the caucus system. It is much cheaper.
Sure, the CO GOP beheads people in massacres, forces women into marriages, defile ancient cultural artifacts. You really can't tell the difference between the CO GOP and ISIS.
Too bad they can't change them whereby Colorado has a primary where the voters know that the delegates are unbound.
OK. You convinced me they have nothing in common. I wonder, then, why this asshole Senator thinks that Trump losing Colorado means he can't handle ISIS?
CO has been frustrated for decades in its efforts to become a battleground state. So they just gave up on it and went to the caucus system. It is much cheaper. to add an exclamation point to their point. Only Cruz bothered to show up in the state . Trump apparently was unaware that there were delegates to pick up . Kaisich sent John Sununnu as his representative . Then Trump belly aches that he did not even make a speech there . Well what stopped him ? When Trump goes to Cleveland with less than a majority of delegates ,he can look back at Colorado ,Wyoming ,and probably other states ,like Iowa (where he skipped a debate in a snit) where he could've gathered enough delegates to put him over the top .I have no sympathy for him. He is just another Dem who thinks he's entitled . "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
Trump criticized the process where delegates are chosen with zero input from the voters. Now, if you didn't have this blind hatred of Trump, you'd agree that this process disenfranchises the citizens and looks more like the Soviet Union than the United States.
So Soviet America is threatened by the Colorado ISIS? You're going to go with that?
The Colorado GOP chair said they made efforts to accommodate him, offering different dates, etc. Trump refused to come. So he lost. Now he's trying to delegitimize the CO GOP and the entire Republican party. It is a bit odd for a candidate to attack the entire party as a thoroughly corrupt system (except those states where he won of course).
Please tell me how "they" conspired to influence the delegates chosen by myself and my neighbors to represent us at our state convention?
Why is the "how" important? They did. Every delegate went Cruz. Coincidence, I'm sure. Then they put out the tweet "We did it#neverTrump". Yeah, yeah. "We wuz hacked". Damn. You are gullible, aren't you?
They deserve to be delegitimized. They disenfranchised the voters. Just bec because things went your way doesn't excuse this action. Then again, maybe it doe does. because things went your way doesn't excuse this action. Then again, maybe it does.
he certainly did not complain about getting 100% of the Fla delegates after getting less than 50% of the primary vote. "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
Please tell me how "they" conspired to influence the delegates chosen by myself and my neighbors to represent us at our state convention? Stop it, please. You can't be that naïve not to understand that the CO REP Party chose a process that assures that only a very small percentage of REP voters in which will participate. Only the very politically active will participate in this cumbersome, time consuming process. And it is exactly the very politically active that can, and often do, gain control of the process and more significantly the outcome. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
There has been some talk circulating about forcing all those winner-take-all delegates into proportional. As with SC and Trump breaking his pledge, they may only be waiting for him to keep making those kinds of remarks to hang himself.
Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well. CA, NY and a handful of other states will decide on who becomes POTUS. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Blame the Florida GOP for that one. They changed the rules to give 100% of the delegates to the winner because they knew either JEB! or Rubio would win the vote. Oops! To make matters worse for the GOPe, those delegates are bound for the first three nominating ballots.
Getting a head start on the next election scam?
Unless those winner-take-all rules are challenged. There has been some talk. Just loose talk so far.
Nothing about state party delegate controversies can possibly affect the status of the Electoral College as a mandated constitutional institution.
But ... but ... those are the rules! Rules can't be changed.
Other than hanging chads, no.
Getting a head start on the next election scam? Explain, please. Are you not aware of the effort to undo the winner take all aspect of the Electorial College? Presently 48 States plus DC have a winner take all rule. This can change. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Well, everyone else is arguing about delegates for the nomination and you're already speculating about the Electoral College. Can't wait?
Nothing about state party delegate controversies can possibly affect the status of the Electoral College as a mandated constitutional institution. The Constitution does not mandate a winner take all system for the states. And that is all I said, kiss the winner take all system goodbye. The small t seems to be affecting your eyesight. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Winner-take-all is not necessarily a desired feature. States are perfectly free to lawfully allocate their EC votes in any way they choose to. So Maine and Nebraska can assign an EC vote for each CD with the majority of CDs determining who gets their extra 2 EC votes. This is how 0bama won 1 EC vote in Omaha in 2008. You could also have a state that simply allows the governor to appoint EC electors and tell them who to vote for, no matter what the voters voted for. Nothing illegal about it. Unwise but not illegal. What a state does with its own EC votes is up to that state.
Just don't call it a low T. Anyway, I don't like winner-take-all schemes. Never have. I prefer proportionals. The winner-take-all does tend to magnify presidential majorities so as to create a mandate but it is usually illusory IMO.
Can't wait? Did you read the post? The discussion about having states change their winner take all system for Electoral College delegates began a while back, e.g. Bush v. Gore. If anything it is that discussion that may be precipitating new discussion on winner take all primaries. Be careful of what you wish. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
So you want to see the current Electoral College system of predominantly winner take all states junked? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I don't want to debate it at any length. The thread has gone completely off-topic. It was about Gardner and his comments about the CO GOP caucus and Trump's whining. Post a thread on the EC if you want to debate it.
You opened the door. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I don't see that I did but I don't intend to debate that (another excursion into Offtopicville) with you either.
The people voted in that you dumb ass. They didn't take Cruz's name off the ballot like they did in Colorado. I think you would suck Cruz off if it Kept Trump out. Enjoy Hillary.
Yes that is already happening as states sign on to the 'National Popular Vote Interstate Compact' (NPVIC) "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
Please tell me how "they" conspired to influence the delegates chosen by myself and my neighbors to represent us at our state convention? There were 65,000 of you , right?
That is the number I read . Of course for Trump and his minions ,if the outcome doesn't come out in his favor ,he was "robbed " or treated unfairly . What is indicates to me is that Trump is ill suited for the job . Not knowing the rules of the game is one thing. But Trump claims the ability to hire the 'best people ' to work for him . Evidently that is not the case because clearly he is not being advised properly .This is in itself curious because Roger Stone is allegedly one of the best in the game (the level of participation behind the scene is curious .) It indicates what a Trump Presidency would be like ...... the Chief Executive ,the Commander in Chief constanty being suprised by events and unprepared to deal with them. "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
Dont look now but PA and WV will have similar complexities. It is going to be very interesting.
Nope, a couple of dozen. We chose delegates from our neighborhood who then went to the state convention last Saturday, just like all the other caucus precincts.
Yeah, 'cause - who needs EVIDENCE anyhow.
What'd you do instead of attending your caucus?
I meant the overall number of caucus goers.
What'd you do instead of attending your caucus? None of your f*cking business, Nazi. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Yeah. There's nothing to see here. The delegate process was above-board. Mere coincidence that Cruz got all 34 delegates while Trump and Kasich got ... zero. That someone "lost" the paperwork on Larry Singer. That a tweet went out "We did it. #NeverTrump." The state party "says" they didn't send it, but admits they deleted it within minutes.
It's not ultimately about him, or the Republican Party. It's about us, we the people, and more directly, you. Trump started this whole thing on a shoestring just a few months ago. He has not spent years inside politics. You may like a deeply professionalized political class with arcane rules, but that favors that political class. But this nation has become more democratic over time. Now, with Hispanic immigration and natality, Republicans cannot win long term unless they can bring people into their party: you need more men. Cruz has not brought anybody new into the party. He has merely mobilized purists of a certain stripe, while alienating everybody else. Trump has come on like a hurricane, with a ton of new voters, voters who bring a different ideological angle to the party - nationalist, and populist. You can win with this larger party. Trouble is, you hate them ideologically, and you are very pleased to see Trump defeated. The problem with THAT is that if you just get the purists who think like Cruz and you, you cannot win. As you will dscover.
Versus the millions who would have voted in a primary, and the millions who will vote in the general election. So, Cruz will get his 65,000, and the Democrats will get Colorado's Electoral Votes. I guess Republicans still believe they are going to be able to "pivot" and get Trump's voters. Not happening. Crush democracy to control the process by denying people the vote, and the Trump people will vote for the other side. Whatever you fear from Trump, you will get worse from Hillary. You've cut off your nose to spite your face.
The rules say we can change the rules, so the rules are whatever we say they are whenever we want.
so let me get this straight ;you think Trump is going to bring more Hispanics into the Republican party ? Trump has come on like a hurricane, with a ton of new voters, voters who bring a different ideological angle to the party - nationalist, and populist. I don't think he has an ideology beyond opportunism . Yeah he talks like a 'know nothing' of the mid-1800s .Populist is a style of persuasion not an ideology (although it is more often a tool of the left ). "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato
Gosh. That sounds a lot like no rules.
Maybe, over time. In the short run, Trump is going to bring working class whites, middle class whites, conservative Democrats and independents of every stripe into the party. He won't bring in Hispanics or Blacks, for his first term, but Hillary Clinton's high negatives will discourage a lot of Democrat voters from coming out. So, this time, there will be a motivated Trump vote, and a demotivatved Democrat vote, with the Perot-type voter and the Reagan Democrats coming out of the woodwork. That will put Trump into the White House. Trump, then, with his Border control and deportation, will actually change the future demographic curve: Latinos who are not here do not have anchor babies. Meanwwhile, when the white working class and middle class have stabilized and better economic prospects, they will have more babies. With Trump, the demographic future of the USA will no longer be los Estados Unidos Norte Americanos. And in fact, with so many talented folks wanting to get out of an Islamifying Europe, a change to immigration policy could cause millions of European Whites to immigrate to the US, spiking the ball on the demographic curve.
It was in our precinct. If you've got evidence regarding other precincts then post it. Otherwise stop whining.
None of your f*cking business, Nazi. So you didn't bother to go vote and choose your representative delegates? Then STOP WHINING.
Go f*ck yourself, Nazi. You and your cabal have pirated the CO REP Party. That is why I left you bastards years ago. You handed the senate seat to Bennet and gave Chickenf*cker a free ride to a second term without him having to even campaign. Keep up the good work and see what happens to your club. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Just so the peanut gallery understands: YOU. DIDN'T. VOTE.
Just so your cabal understands: Neither did millions of CO REPs, just as the cabal wanted. You are a dying breed in CO. I and millions like me will be happy to piss on your political grave. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Well they should've got off their whiny arses, attended their neighborhood caucus, and VOTED then!
The state party "says" they didn't send it, but admits they deleted it within minutes. You see a contradiction there? A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.
I see a lie.
Cruz attracts kindred spirits.
DOOD! WTF is it with you and the continuous homosexual references when attacking posters you disagree with? You keep ranting and raving about homosexuals,and nobody brings them or the subject of homosexuality up more often than you. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
you love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
I've attended CO GOP conventions for years. It requires organization & attn to grassroots to win. Cruz had it. Trump didn't. End of story.
#2. To: tooconservative (#1)
"Cruz did "win" Colorado by a certain measure but, technically, those are still unbound delegates on the first ballot."
#3. To: cranky (#0)
“How on earth are you going to defeat ISIS if you can’t figure out the @cologop convention?”
#4. To: misterwhite (#2)
Then why not have a primary where the voters know that the delegates are unbound?
#5. To: misterwhite (#3)
There are similarities between ISIS and the Colorado GOP.
#6. To: tooconservative (#4)
"The rules are published and well-known to all."
#7. To: tooconservative (#5)
"Sure, the CO GOP beheads people in massacres, forces women into marriages, defile ancient cultural artifacts."
#8. To: tooconservative, misterwhite (#4)
I know that the CO GOP and Dims decided it cost too much to hold statewide primary votes for the public since it never resulted in them getting any attention from the candidates.
#9. To: tomder55 (#8)
"Then Trump belly aches that he did not even make a speech there."
#10. To: misterwhite, tomder55 (#9)
#11. To: tomder55 (#8)
Then Trump belly aches that he did not even make a speech there . Well what stopped him ?
#12. To: misterwhite (#2)
Because the Colorado GOP is corrupt.
#13. To: VxH (#12)
"Please tell me how "they" conspired to influence the delegates"
#14. To: tooconservative (#11)
"Now he's trying to delegitimize the CO GOP"
#15. To: tooconservative (#11)
It is a bit odd for a candidate to attack the entire party as a thoroughly corrupt system (except those states where he won of course).
#16. To: VxH, misterwhite (#12)
Because the Colorado GOP is corrupt.
#17. To: tomder55 (#15)
he certainly did not complain about getting 100% of the Fla delegates after getting less than 50% of the primary vote.
#18. To: tooconservative, tomder55 (#17)
There has been some talk circulating about forcing all those winner-take-all delegates into proportional.
#19. To: tomder55 (#15)
"he certainly did not complain about getting 100% of the Fla delegates after getting less than 50% of the primary vote."
#20. To: SOSO (#18)
"Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well"
#21. To: misterwhite (#19)
Oops! To make matters worse for the GOPe, those delegates are bound for the first three nominating ballots.
#22. To: SOSO (#18)
Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well.
#23. To: tooconservative (#21)
"Unless those winner-take-all rules are challenged."
#24. To: tooconservative (#22)
"Nothing about state party delegate controversies can possibly affect the status of the Electoral College"
#25. To: misterwhite (#20)
"Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well"
#26. To: SOSO (#25)
"Explain, please."
#27. To: tooconservative (#22)
Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well.
#28. To: SOSO (#25)
#29. To: SOSO (#27)
The small t seems to be affecting your eyesight.
#30. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#26)
Well, everyone else is arguing about delegates for the nomination and you're already speculating about the Electoral College.
#31. To: tooconservative (#29)
Anyway, I don't like winner-take-all schemes. Never have. I prefer proportionals.
#32. To: SOSO (#31)
So you want to see the current Electoral College system of predominantly winner take all states junked?
#33. To: tooconservative (#32)
I don't want to debate it at any length.
#34. To: SOSO (#33)
#35. To: tomder55 (#15)
he certainly did not complain about getting 100% of the Fla delegates after getting less than 50% of the primary vote.
#36. To: SOSO (#18)
Kiss the Electorial College winner take all system goodbye as well. CA, NY and a handful of other states will decide on who becomes POTUS.
#37. To: VxH (#12)
#38. To: fooman, VxH, TooConservative, AKAStone . (#37)
(Edited)
There were 65,000 of you , right?
#39. To: tomder55 (#38)
#40. To: fooman (#37)
(Edited)
#41. To: misterwhite (#13)
(Edited)
Why is the "how" important?
#42. To: SOSO (#16)
only a very small percentage of REP voters in which will participate.
#43. To: VxH (#40)
#44. To: VxH (#42)
only a very small percentage of REP voters in which will participate.
#45. To: VxH (#41)
"Yeah, 'cause - who needs EVIDENCE anyhow."
#46. To: tomder55 (#8)
I have no sympathy for him. He is just another Dem who thinks he's entitled.
#47. To: fooman (#37)
There were 65,000 of you , right?
#48. To: Vicomte13 (#47)
#49. To: Vicomte13 (#46)
Now, with Hispanic immigration and natality, Republicans cannot win long term unless they can bring people into their party: you need more men.
#50. To: Roscoe (#48)
"The rules say we can change the rules, so the rules are whatever we say they are whenever we want."
#51. To: tomder55 (#49)
so let me get this straight ;you think Trump is going to bring more Hispanics into the Republican party ?
#52. To: misterwhite (#45)
The delegate process was above-board.
#53. To: SOSO (#44)
(Edited)
>>>>What'd you do instead of attending your caucus?
#54. To: VxH (#53)
Then STOP WHINING.
#55. To: SOSO (#54)
#56. To: VxH (#55)
Just so the peanut gallery understands: YOU. DIDN'T. VOTE.
#57. To: SOSO (#56)
(Edited)
Neither did millions of CO REPs
#58. To: misterwhite (#45)
a tweet went out "We did it. #NeverTrump."
#59. To: ConservingFreedom (#58)
"You see a contradiction there?"
#60. To: misterwhite (#59)
I see a lie.
#61. To: A K A Stone (#35)
I think you would suck Cruz off if it Kept Trump out.
#62. To: tooconservative (#17)
waiting for him to keep making those kinds of remarks to hang himself.
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