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I'm here for the moneuy Status: Not Logged In; Sign In The Establishments war on Donald Trump See other The Establishments war on Donald Trump Articles Title: Matt Drudge: ‘Hello Colorado Republicans, even Iraqis get a vote’ Source: Breitbart URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... ublicans-even-iraqis-get-vote/ Published: Apr 12, 2016 Author: Alex Swoyer Post Date: 2016-04-12 17:02:39 by nolu chan Keywords: None Views: 10537 Comments: 72 Matt Drudge: ‘Hello Colorado Republicans, even Iraqis get a vote’ by Alex Swoyer 12 Apr 2016 Washington, DC Matt Drudge is weighing in on the results in Colorado, where Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) received at least 30 of the 37 delegates following the state Republican Party Convention last weekend. “Does George Bush have to invade Colorado to make it a Democracy? STUNNING Republicans had NO PRIMARY or CAUCUS. At least Dems are faking it!” Drudge posted on Twitter. MATT DRUDGE @DRUDGE Hello Colorado Republicans, even Iraqis get a vote! http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/trump-erupts-as-cruz-sweeps-colorado-without-votes/ 8:48 AM - 11 Apr 2016 When Republican party leaders decided not to hold a primary or caucus in Colorado, The Denver Post reported: The Colorado system often favors anti-establishment candidates who draw a dedicated following among activists — as evidenced by Rick Santorum’s victory in 2012 caucus. So the party’s move may hurt GOP contenders such as Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who would have received a boost if they won the state. During a campaign rally on Monday night, GOP frontrunner Donald Trump called Colorado “a fix” because instead of holding an election, the GOP decided to do it through delegates. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 38. #1. To: nolu chan (#0) During a campaign rally on Monday night, GOP frontrunner Donald Trump called Colorado “a fix” because instead of holding an election, the GOP decided to do it through delegates. Trump's right: It's completely a fix - a naked, sordid, corrupt fix. But the beauty this time is that, no matter what, the Republicans will not get away with it in the end. This time, one of two things will happen: (1) The Establishment will play its games, but Trump will win the nomination anyway, and then, as President and head of the party, he will politically massacre the elements of the Republican Party that stood against him, forcibly exclude them from power and decision-taking, etc. If Trump wins, the Establishment will be wiped out by the new rulers of the GOP. OR (2) The Establishment will get its way, Trump will be robbed of the nomination, and then the Republican nominee, whoever it is, will go down in flaming defeat in November. In the political rebellion that will ensure, the Republicans will lose Congress, the Democrats will sweep, and then, with control of Congress AND the Supreme Court, the Democrats will enact their entire agenda and take away the wealth of the top Republican donors through a combination of taxation and regulation. No matter what, the Establishment and their crony capitalist financiers are going to get wiped out of power. The only question is whether it will be substantial, through Trump, or irreversible, through the Democrats. I'd prefer Trump, but if no Trump, Hillary will do also. The Republicans have put themselves in the position of Hitler and Nazi Germany - they are so odious they must be wiped out. The only question is whether it will come from the civilized West (Trump and his reformers) or the Soviet Union (Stalin and his reformers). Either way, there is no scenario the end of which as the current Republican power brokers still in power. Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-12   17:48:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited) The people of Colorado never had a vote . They had a non-binding straw poll that the party correctly determined was a waste of money and time. All the candidates had the same opportunity to influence the process equally at the district and state level . Trump was a no show . So now he whines like a liberal 'Waaaaaa waaaaaaa ....it's not fair '! Is it fair that he did not get a majority in Florida and yet walked away with all the delegates in the 'winner takes all ' format ? This is why real candidates take a year or more to put their organizations in place before they announce. tomder55  posted on  2016-04-12   18:18:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: tomder55 (#5) All the candidates had the same opportunity to influence the process equally at the district and state level . The people didn't' get to vote comrade. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-04-12   21:26:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: A K A Stone (#11) (Edited) The people didn't' get to vote comrade. Well, sort of. Members of our caucus precinct met in a classroom at the local High School. Everybody who wanted to be a delegate put their name on the board. Each delegate candidate was given an opportunity to speak and we noted who they'd support/vote for at the convention. Then we wrote our delegate choices on slips of paper and the votes were tallied. The winners were the folks who then went on to the state convention - and who then chose among themselves Colorado's delegates for the national convention. It's an odd process, but it's not accurate to say "the people didn't get to vote". We did have a straw poll FWIW - Cruz 22 Trump 6. VxH  posted on  2016-04-12   23:44:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: VxH, A K A Stone, TooConservative (#29) It's an odd process, but it's not accurate to say "the people didn't get to vote". I live in CO and the CO REP Party did not provide me and every other person that may have been inclined to vote in the state party's party a chance to vote for the candidate of my choice.........period....end of story.....over and out. If that isn't a system that says f*ck you to the voter nothing is. SOSO  posted on  2016-04-12   23:52:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: SOSO, VxH, A K A Stone, TooConservative (#31) WHAT Colorado did, WHY they did it, and an EDITORIAL ABOUT it. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote Colorado Republicans cancel presidential vote at 2016 caucus Move makes Colorado only state to date to opt out of early nomination process By John Frank The Denver Post Posted: 08/25/2015 02:06:20 PM MDT Updated: a day ago [captured 4/12/2016] EDITOR'S NOTE: This story was first published on Tuesday, Aug. 25, 2015 at 2:06 p.m. Please see Angry Donald Trump blasts Colorado GOP results as "totally unfair," published on Sunday, April 10, 2016. Colorado will not vote for a Republican candidate for president at its 2016 caucus after party leaders approved a little-noticed shift that may diminish the state's clout in the most open nomination contest in the modern era. The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state's delegates to support the candidate who wins the caucus vote. The move makes Colorado the only state so far to forfeit a role in the early nomination process, according to political experts, but other caucus states are still considering how to adapt to the new rule. "It takes Colorado completely off the map" in the primary season, said Ryan Call, a former state GOP chairman. Republicans still will hold precinct caucus meetings in early 2016 to begin the process of selecting delegates for the national convention — but the 37 delegates are not pledged to any specific candidate. The Democratic Party still will hold a presidential straw poll March 1 — a Super Tuesday vote in a key swing state that is attracting attention from top-tier candidates. For Republicans, no declared winner means the caucus will lack much of its hype. The presidential campaigns still may try to win delegate slots for their supporters, but experts say the move makes it less likely that candidates will visit Colorado to court voters. The Colorado system often favors anti-establishment candidates who draw a dedicated following among activists — as evidenced by Rick Santorum's victory in 2012 caucus. So the party's move may hurt GOP contenders such as Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Rand Paul, who would have received a boost if they won the state. State Republican Party Chairman Steve House said the party's 24-member executive committee made the unanimous decision Friday — six members were absent — to skip the preference poll. The move, he said, would give Colorado delegates the freedom to support any candidate eligible at the Cleveland convention in July. Republican National Committee officials confirmed that the change complies with party rules. "If we do a binding presidential preference poll, we would then pledge our delegates ... and the candidates we bind them to may not be in the race by the time we get to the convention," House said in an interview Tuesday. The caucus is likely to occur in February, but party officials will meet next month to finalize the date. In 2008 and 2012, die-hard Republican voters gathered at caucus meetings to begin the delegate-selection process of selecting delegates to the national convention and voice support for presidential candidates in a straw poll. The votes, however, didn't require Colorado delegates to support any particular candidate at the national conventions. This allowed for delegates that supported a losing candidate to vote for the nominee and demonstrate party unity at the convention. But the freedom also opened the door for political mischief, as Colorado saw in 2012 when Ron Paul supporters managed to win a significant portion of the delegate slots, even though Paul finished far behind other candidates in the Colorado caucuses. The RNC tightened the rules in 2012 to eliminate nonbinding straw polls and help prevent similar stunts in the future, forcing Colorado Republicans to re-evaluate their process. An effort earlier this year to switch to a presidential primary system failed amid party infighting. "It's an odd scenario," said Josh Putnam, a political science lecturer at the University of Georgia who runs a popular blog on the presidential nominating process. "It's not to say the campaigns won't be there. ... But you won't have a good reflection of support at the caucuses, much less Colorado Republicans as a whole." Other caucus states are grappling with the rule change in different ways as they finalize their plans before the deadline at the end of September, Putnam said, but he is not aware of any state that has abandoned the presidential caucus vote. With the change, the only way Colorado Republican delegates would remain relevant is the remote chance that no candidate emerges as a clear winner in the primary contest. In this case, the state's unbound delegates would receive significant attention and may hold the key to victory in a floor fight. "If there's the potential for a brokered convention in any way, the unaffiliated delegates become extremely important," said Joy Hoffman, the Arapahoe County GOP chairwoman who attended the party meeting. "If there is someone who becomes a front-runner, ... then nobody's important. So I think the view became that if we were not bound, it's not the worse thing that could happen." http://www.denverpost.com/editorials/ci_29563108/colorado-gop-blundered-2016-presidential-caucus Editorials Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus Republicans made big mistake in abandoning presidential tally By The Denver Post Editorial Board Posted: 02/27/2016 05:00:00 PM MST Updated: about a month ago [captured 4/12/2016] The Colorado Republican Party's decision last summer to jettison a presidential poll at its caucus on Tuesday looks worse with every passing day. Except for the actual delegates to July's national convention, Colorado Republicans who want to have a say in the future of their party have mostly been stripped of a role in the most interesting and surprising nominating struggle in decades. They'll stand on the sidelines on Super Tuesday while other states determine whether Donald Trump continues his march toward a possible nomination or whether his rivals can slow him down. Meanwhile, local airwaves have been featuring ads on behalf of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, since the Democrats are still holding a traditional caucus at which participants get to signal their support for a candidate. It's known as democracy. The Colorado Republican executive committee needs to reacquaint itself with the concept. GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus. Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted. By contrast, far-sighted party leaders should have welcomed the extra attention to their caucus and the potential activism on the party's behalf it would have spawned. Admittedly, one thing has changed since the GOP executive committee made its decision on a preference poll: It appears somewhat more likely today that no candidate will have wrapped up the nomination by convention time. But even if that ends up being the case, it will be no great boon to Colorado's uncommitted delegates. If no candidate has enough votes on the first ballot to secure the nomination, delegates will be free to vote for anyone they like anyway. It's bad enough the two parties in Colorado don't have presidential primaries in which many more voters would participate. The caucuses already limit participation to a narrow slice of the electorate. But the fact that the Republican leadership then took matters a step further and deprived even that narrow slice of voters a voice in one of the most competitive, consequential political nominations in memory - and perhaps in history - is mindboggling. It's likely that some Republicans who show up Tuesday will be surprised to learn their presidential preference is of no consequence. Perhaps someone should be on hand to explain to them why party democracy is apparently too disruptive and unpredictable to be trusted. nolu chan  posted on  2016-04-13   0:24:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: nolu chan, VxH, A K A Stone, TooConservative (#37) Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted. The CO REP Party has a history of screwing the pooch in recent U.S. Senator and Governor races. There was no way that Senator Bennet should have won in 2010 but the REP f*cked up and put up a total loser to run against Bennet. They did even worse with their candidate for Governor that year. CO easily could currently have two REP Senators and a REP Governor. It would be charitable to believe that they were just the gang that couldn't shoot straight but there is something fundamental wrong, if not corrupt, with the CO REP Party PTB. SOSO  posted on  2016-04-13   0:49:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 38. #40. To: SOSO (#38) They did even worse with their candidate for Governor that year. Wasn't that the Tancredo disaster where the CO GOP lost major party status for an election cycle? You're leaving a lot out of your account of the CO GOP. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-04-13 01:22:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 38. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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