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Title: Mark Levin to #NeverTrumpers: The “Stop Trump” effort must not extend to the general election
Source:
HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/ ... xtend-to-the-general-election/
Published: Apr 7, 2016
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2016-04-07 10:13:36 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 7243
Comments: 58
Via Breitbart and the Right Scoop, you can grumble about this if you’re #NeverTrump but we all understand, I think, that the vast, vast majority of the party will come around to his position by November, right? Don’t get me wrong, stalwart anti-Trumpers may have the numbers to fatally damage Trump’s chances even if they’re just five percent of the electorate. But that’s probably what they’ll be — five percent, not a third of the party despite how much fun it is to ooh and ahh over numbers like that. Never underestimate the power of partisanship, especially when you’ve got a Democrat as unlikable as Hillary topping the other ticket. And even if five percent of Republicans do end up as #NeverTrumpers, that’s not necessarily a death sentence for Trump’s campaign. Why? Because some segment of Bernie fans claim that they’re #NeverHillary: By comparison, Clinton supporters are considerably more open to supporting Sanders should he overtake her large lead in delegates and win the nomination. Just 14 percent of Clinton supporters would shun him in the general election, while 79 percent would support him, the poll found. What’s the actual number of Sanders supporters who’d sit out an election with either Trump or Cruz, both of whom will be painted by Democrats as unprecedented threats to the republic, as GOP nominee? Two percent? Remember all the Hillary fans who vowed after 2008’s bitter primary to loss to Obama that they’d never vote for him for president? How’d that work out? Anyway, click the image to listen to a preview of what conservative media’s apt to sound like this fall if Trump seals the deal in Cleveland. Levin has endorsed Cruz and has fiercely criticized Trump over the past few months (even over the Michelle Fields incident, which is unusual in major conservative media) but he’s prepared to set that aside in the name of beating Clinton. I wonder where Glenn Beck, Trump’s most strident critic in conservative talk radio dating back to last year, is on that. If anyone’s going to carry the #NeverTrump banner to the bitter end, it’s him. How could you do it under these circumstances as bad as the Republican may be, how could you stay home and allow that? Or worse, how could you vote for that? That’s a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. So you duke it out in the Republican primary process. You duke it out Republican convention. You insist that rules are rules and the rules be followed. And you call them out if they try to change them. And you fight like hell. But you do not vote for Hillary Clinton. Or you don’t not stay home. ‘Wah, my candidate isn’t nominated,’ and let the left elect their favorite candidate. Not in this election. That’s my view. Poster Comment: Levin is lowering his rhetoric against Trump. Clever. One out of four Sanders supporters– 25 percent – say they would not back Clinton in a general election if she became the Democratic nominee for president, while just 69 percent say they would support her, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll. 
If you believe Hillary Clinton is virtually as off her rocker, left-wing socialist as Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), if you believe that Hillary Clinton is in part responsible for the rise of ISIS and for what took care of Benghazi and what’s taking place in Libya and that [Vladimir] Putin is on the move and that China is on the move and all the rest of it, then how the hell – how the hell could you take any steps – passively or affirmatively that would put that woman in the Oval Office?
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#2. To: TooConservative (#0)
Krauthammer gave him a shoutout also: "Trump Has "The Most Rock Solid Floor Of Support" In Memory, "Despite The (Wisconsin) Loss"
He remains very opposed. I thought his remarks were in the context of "Yes, he lost badly in Wisconsin but he still keeps all of his core voters and they never desert him, no matter what." Trump has made repeated personal attacks on Krauthammer, far more than Krauthammer's attacks on Trump's policy ideas or conduct.
yup ,Trump will have a solid 35-40 % support in the general election. He will have a hard sell to the rest of the American people ;let alone conservative voters . I get Levin's point . I voted for less than ideal standard bearers before . But Trump takes that to places I many not want to go.
Whoa! Sounds scary. Trump is talking about a lot of positive things for the country -- the border wall, deporting illegals, pausing Syrian immigration, "fair" trade, tax cuts, fixing the VA, strengthening the military, etc. You're familiar with those issues and more. What I don't understand are these negatives you're referring to -- negatives that offset these positives to the point where you may not vote for him. Maybe I'm missing something. What are these negatives?
if he's so big on reducing taxes then why did he criticize Scott Walker for not raising taxes in Wisconsin ? I opposed his statist authoritarianism ,his lack of conservative constitutional principles .His lack of basic knowlege and curiosity of the issues confronting the country is frightening .I question his temperment for the office . He is erratic, inconsistent and unprincipled. He possesses a streak of crudity and cruelty . I know his supporters praise his 'telling it like it is " . I find his whole style unstatesman-like. He mocked a disabled reporter ,he disparaged John McCain's service . He called one of the finest men in the nation , Ben Carson ,pathological .He is the mean spirited parody of a Republican that plays well on Saturday Night Live. I disagree with most everything he says are his positions except for perhaps border security (something every other Republican candidate also favored except Jeb). His so called fair trade will be a disaster for the economy as most punitive tariffs are . Going isolationist does not strengthen the military . If Trump is the standard bearer ,the GOP will no longer be a conservative party; it will be a nationalist populist one not much different than where Bernie Sanders is leading the Dems. Trump is the very type of person the founders feared ;the demagogue who promises to do whatever it takes ;constitutional or not, to achive their goals.
What a load of whiny, Mickey-Mouse generalized crap. Which is exactly what I expected. Look at the recent GOP Presidential candidates. Look at the current crop of Republicans in Congress. And you tell me the GOP is a conservative party that you want to preserve?
I want a conservative party ;and that won't happen with Trump at the head of the ticket. You have to be kidding me. Trump is a north east liberal RINO in the mold of Romney . He just has better schtick .
No you don't. You want a liberal Obama, Clinton open borders sell out the American people piece of shit. You're a social conservative and liberal on trade etc. At least you get it half right.
and Trump has the same basic positions on trade as Bolshevik Bernie Sanders.
Pat Buchanan is the definition of a pure conservative. The founding fathers would have considered you a traitor. Because they sought independence. You like interdependence with a global body bossing Americans representatives around. In short you are a sell out. Enjoy being ruled by democrats. You've made your roost now live in it.
Because they sought independence. You like interdependence with a global body bossing Americans representatives around. No they would not consider me a traitor. Their rhetoric matched Adam Smith's on free trade. But their actions did not match their rhetoric. They started the revolution in Boston protesting tariff created monopolies and then mimicked the merchantile policies of the crown. Their reasoning behind the protectionism was not to support American businesses as much as a way to fill the government coffers without putting a heavy tax burden on their new constituents(who had fought the war in protest of burdensome taxes ) . When they passed the first tariffs in the 1st Congress ,they said that this was a temporary measure. The Tariff Act of 1789 did what it was intended to do. The United States collected 80 to 95% of its revenue from foreign imports. Few constituents complained. But as is often the case in government ,temporary measures have a way of setting themselves in cement . We still have a complex system of tariffs ,quotas ,and subsidies today ;many more than most Americans imagine . But now we pay the price in the cost of the goods ,and we still are taxed to death domestically . So what was the unintended consequences of the tariffs passed in the 19th century ? Well for one thing it helped divide the nation. The tariff justification shifted from revenue to protecting 'infant industry '. That meant that northern industry was being protected from primarily British industry . The unintended consequences was that the Southern states got to pay higher prices for goods. It also had a negative effect on the South's chief revenue source ..... cotton. Without the ability to export goods into the United States ,the Brits did not have the revenue to pay for cotton. So the export market suffered .....doubly when the Brits retailated with their own export restrictions. This led directly to the Nullification crisis in 1832. Southern States like South Carolina made a compelling case that the tariffs were in fact unconstitutional because they favored one sector of the economy (and one region) over others . They were not alone. NE shipping also suffered from the government manipulations . The British reduced their imports of cotton , which weakened the southern economy even more The tariff forced the South to buy manufactured goods from U.S. manufacturers, mainly in the North, at a higher price, while southern states also faced a reduced income from sales of cotton and other agricultural products . In November 1832 South Carolina voted to 'nullify ' the Federal law leading to a constitutional crisis that was a foretelling of the Civil War. Tariff disagreement was one of the major causes of the Civil War.
For example?
"The exercise of a free trade with all parts of the world [is] possessed by [a people] as of natural right" Thomas Jefferson "The general principle in America being for a free trade with all the world, and to leave every one of their merchants at liberty to prosecute it as he may judge most for his advantage, I do not think...companies can be established there with any exclusive rights or privileges." 1780, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, “Beware the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry.” – Thomas Paine
#43. To: tomder55 (#42)
I think you'd have to admit that American notions of "free trade" were quite different in that era from what they mean in the modern post-Friedman context. Given that the country was founded on using tariffs on foreign-made goods to protect American industry and help it grow, what we have today is nothing like the "free trade" as the Founders conceived of it.
What a heavily altered "quote" you have there, tomder55. "That the exercise of a free trade with all parts of the world, possessed by the American colonists, as of natural right, and which no law of their own had taken away or abridged..." Thomas Jefferson Jefferson was asserting right of the American colonists [redacted and altered by you] to control their trade with their own laws [again redacted by you]. Busted!
You left off the very next sentence. I wonder why? "And this open commerce being free to all Nations, and more profitable to Europe than to America, which can very well subsist and flourish without a Commerce with Europe..." 1780, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin
Vague, not supportive of your outlandish extrapolation, and probably fake to boot. Can you point to a primary document source? (Assuming you even know the difference between primary and secondary sources.)
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"Levin is lowering his rhetoric against Trump."
#4. To: misterwhite (#2)
Krauthammer gave him a shoutout also: "Trump Has "The Most Rock Solid Floor Of Support" In Memory, "Despite The (Wisconsin) Loss"
#8. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#4)
"Yes, he lost badly in Wisconsin but he still keeps all of his core voters and they never desert him, no matter what."
#9. To: tomder55 (#8)
"But Trump takes that to places I many not want to go."
#10. To: misterwhite (#9)
#14. To: tomder55 (#10)
#26. To: misterwhite (#14)
Look at the recent GOP Presidential candidates. Look at the current crop of Republicans in Congress. And you tell me the GOP is a conservative party that you want to preserve?
#29. To: tomder55 (#26)
I want a conservative party ;
#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)
You're a social conservative and liberal on trade etc
#33. To: tomder55 (#32)
and Trump has the same basic positions on trade as Bolshevik Bernie Sanders.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#33)
The founding fathers would have considered you a traitor.
#39. To: tomder55 (#36)
Their rhetoric matched Adam Smith's on free trade.
#42. To: Roscoe (#39)
For example?
Replies to Comment # 42. "The general principle in America being for a free trade with all the world...
#46. To: tomder55 (#42)
"The exercise of a free trade with all parts of the world [is] possessed by [a people] as of natural right" Thomas Jefferson
#51. To: tomder55 (#42)
"The general principle in America being for a free trade with all the world, and to leave every one of their merchants at liberty to prosecute it as he may judge most for his advantage, I do not think...companies can be established there with any exclusive rights or privileges." 1780, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin
#54. To: tomder55 (#42)
“Beware the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry.” – Thomas Paine
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