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Title: Ted Cruz Wins Wisconsin Republican Primary
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URL Source: http://5newsonline.com/2016/04/05/t ... -wisconsin-republican-primary/
Published: Apr 5, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-04-05 22:00:54 by ConservingFreedom
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(CBS NEWS) — According to the CBS News Wisconsin Republican primary exit poll: Cruz is running well across many groups of Wisconsin primary voters. He is beating Trump among men and women by about 10 percent, and he is ahead of Trump in all age groups. Trump did less well in Wisconsin among groups of voters who have been his core supporters in previous primaries. Cruz is winning among those with college degrees and among those without. They are about even among those with no more than a high school degree. Cruz does better among more affluent voters but still runs almost even with Trump among those with incomes under $50,000. Cruz runs well among those who said they are “very conservative” as he has in previous primaries, but he also edges out Trump among those who said they are “somewhat conservative.” Trump has generally beat Cruz among those who say they are somewhat conservative. Trump does lead Cruz among political moderates. As many as 34 percent of Republican primary voters say that bringing needed change is the candidate quality that most mattered in their vote decision; Cruz and Trump run neck and neck among these voters. This is better than Cruz has done in previous primaries. Cruz ran well ahead of Trump among voters who said that they want a candidate who shares their values and among those who wanted a candidate who can win in November. Sixty-five percent of Republican primary voters said they were very worried about the direction of the nation’s economy, and Cruz beat Trump among these voters. Seventy percent support a temporary ban on Muslims who are not U.S. citizens entering the country, and Cruz and Trump are very close among this group. Trump does beat Cruz among those who want to deport illegal immigrants who are not U.S. citizens, but only about one in three Republican primary voters support this position. Cruz topped Trump easily among the majority of primary voters who want to offer illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status. Trump did very well among the half of Republican primary voters who want the next president to be from outside the political establishment, but he only got 7 percent of the vote of those who prefer the next president to have political experience. The Republican exit poll asked voters, “If no one wins a majority of the delegates before the convention, should the party nominate the candidate with the most votes in the primaries or the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee?” More than half, 56 percent, said the party should nominate the candidate with the most votes. Another 42 percent said it should be the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee. However, this varied widely between Trump and Cruz voters. As many as 83 percent of Trump voters said the nominee should be the candidate who won the most votes in the primaries. Among Cruz supporters, 56 percent said it should be the best nominee, and 42 percent said it should be the candidate with the most votes.
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Not a natural born citizen. His mother renounced her citizenship. That is why that asswipe cheater will not release his immigration papers. He was a Canadian until a couple of years ago. Fuck Ted Cruz and his anti American new world order trade agenda. Spit.
The Cruz voters are right. This is NOT a democracy it's representative Republic. Letting the elected delegates decide is what's supposed to happen in a Republic. Trump voters are mob rule democracy collectivists, like Bernie supporters. I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason.
And you'd vote for Trump or Kasich?
Cruz waffled around on TPA/TPP, trying to be on all sides of the issue over the course of a month. I don't have any idea of what his real position is.
Write in vote: My Dead Dawg Scruffy.
Whatever the merits of Cruz, I would say this is a demo of just how powerful Scott Walker is with GOP voters in Wisconsin. They've stood with him steadily from the start. Cruz owes this victory to Walker. As much as endorsements do not often matter, this one really did, as did having a friendly and powerful governor on the ground putting his campaign machine at Cruz's disposal. Other minor helps for Cruz is Priebus is from WI and so is Speaker Ryan (who Trump badmouthed in his hometown, Janesville). A crowd of Trump's crackpots cheered him for that but it could not have played well with the WI GOP voters at large. Wisconsin GOP voters are rightly proud of the power of the state GOP they've built up and its major role in national GOP politics. I'm not sure if Walker is interested but this could signal a cabinet position for him, certainly consideration on the Cruz VP short list. Kasich is better positioned than Walker for VP. So is Rubio who is carefully guarding his 170+ delegates to keep them bound to him until the convention when he could release them and urge them to vote for Cruz so he could become VP (or SoS or SoD). Kasich is the guy Cruz would want as VP to run against Hitlery (and carry indispensable Ohio) but Rubio is the guy that Cruz may not be able to win the nomination without.
Scruffy is definitely my #2 pick. Mentioning him reminds me of another recent dearly departed. Free Fred! : )
Your numbers don't include the hundred delegates that Cruz just locked up in ND, CO, and elsewhere. He is on target to grab most of the PA delegates. Around a third of these delegates arrive at the convention unbound. And Rubio has 170+ delegates he is guarding like an old hen guarding her eggs. But he can unbind them on the first ballot in return for VP/SoS/SoD. But he can't run with Trump, not after all that tiny hands taunting and the rest of the stuff he said about Trump repeatedly.
Barring the strange and unusual, even for this campaign, I believe that Trump will get the nomination on the first ballot. Uncommitted delegates will put him over the top.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Google, April 5, 2016, 8:02 PM PT
Cruz seems to have locked up 90%. I don't see how you can say that seriously. Cruz is also locking up significant numbers of delegate slots with his supporters, people who are bound to vote for Trump on the first (or second) ballot but who will then flock to Cruz. And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them. If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright.
90% of what? Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from any possibility whatever of attaining a 1237 majority after the April 19th primary in New York. Cruz is running in third, has been there for a while, and is over 30 points behind Trump. Cruz can preach, but he can't sell his brand of snake oil in New York. Cruz is likely to be shut out in the northeast.
Tonight was Cruz' last victory, so enjoy it while it lasts.
I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason. And you'd vote for Trump or Kasich? For me it is Trump or nobody. I could care less if the choice is between anyone else. There is no difference.
How can you go for Cruz after what he did to the middle eastern Christians? You remember how he threw them under the bus for political points? That is what he will do to his voters.
It will take a lot of opium smoking to see how Cruz has a realistic chance to get 1237 on the first ballot even with the uncommitted and unbound delegates. Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had. Trump's chances look good to get the 45 +/- out of these that he needs. But this has been a very strange campaign year. Bottom line, IDM who gets the REP nomination as the REP Party is toast in 2016. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
That is not a realistic assessment. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Likely so
If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright. Rubio has 171. Kasich has 143 (not the 54 you cited). Still, after NY, it may well be that Trump will have more than Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich combined. Trump will likely end up with at least something in the neighborhood of 1200. The GOPe will not unite to nominate Cruz. The miscellaneous candidates have a grand total of 15 delegates. Carson's 9 is 2 more than the other 4 have. http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker 740 - Trump 9 - Carson 23 - Uncommitted 2472 total delegates 1237 needed for majority 888 remaining Trump needs 497 for a majority. Cruz/Kasich need 392 to stop Trump. Every delegate that Kasich wins will have Cruz finish that much further behind Trump. Cruz needs Kasich to stay in and bag some delegates in the northeast. Kasich said so many times that he was beating Hillary in Wisconsin, maybe the Republican voters there thought he was running in the Democratic primary. Tonight, Kasich was non-competitive in every county of Wisconsin. Trump won the most counties. Cruz won the most delegates by far.
I do not think current polling will have any validity when it becomes mathematically impossible for Cruz to win a majority. Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.
I do not think current polling will have any validity when it becomes mathematically impossible for Cruz to win a majority. Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county. I certainly would not put any money on the predictive accuracy of the polling. Didn't one poll yesterday have Trump 10% up on Cruz in WI? But again, IDM who the REPs wind up nominating they are toast in Nov. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
No surprise there. Wisconsin, voted #1 state in America for morbid obesity, is full of fat, frumpy chicks like Heidi Cruz. Of course they're gonna stick together. Birds of a feather and what not. Let's see how the vote turns out in the eastern states like NY, Jersey and Mass. where the women are much hotter and have nore self-esteem.
Plus Cruz bought the Governor.
Free Fred! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That speaks highly for him. The northeast ain't America. ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
We have one president from Kenya, and another wannabe from Canada. You got a problem with that? It's the trend. Next month we start a reality TV series, "How to move to America, mouth off, and become president" Outside of his citizenship, I have greater problems with Cruz. He has as great an allegiance to Mexican illegals as Americans. Like supports like. His background suggests Goldman Sacks and company. He is a lying disgrace to himself and to the American people supporting him.
I don't see where you get that at all. It was always Trump who was expected to do well in WI and who had led in a number of polls until a few weeks ago. Since you've been doing delegate math, you might check out my new thread on delegate counts. It does have some state-by-state details on the mechanics of awarding GOP delegates.
Showboating for Adelson, to little effect. Cruz unintentionally did raise the profile for this meeting which would have gone almost unknown in American media if not for Cruz. Not that that excuses Cruz's grandstanding. Even so, I can think of dozens of things about Trump that I dislike as much or more than Cruz's behavior at that event.
Pass the hookah, dude. BTW, Trump is not a witch.
I'll say it again. If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.
Didn't I post the YouTube clip of that? Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again? How many times will you post that lie?
And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination? You're not scaring anyone, any more than Roger Stone is with his threats about rioting ("Days of Rage") and publishing the hotel room numbers of anti-Trump delegates (some of whom are bound to vote for Trump on the first ballot but who could dump him on the second or third ballot to defect to Cruz). You really think these threats help your candidate? Or do they make Trump and his supporters more hated by everyone else? Imagine for a moment it was Cruz and his supporters threatening to riot or to bully delegates. Would you want to cave to threats from them? I don't think so. It's a question of group dynamics. Making threats rarely prevails in relatively homogeneous groups like registered GOP voters.
Doesn't matter. Whether it's Trump or the kinds of supporters he draws, the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter and to GOP voters in general is already established. You don't get to just wish it away. There have been some elements at Trump's rallies that almost seem like plants for the Dems or perhaps agitators trying to make Trump look bad. The Bernie crowd would be likely suspects in WI.
Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.
Sure, I'm the problem. Not Trump's many ignorant remarks and how he's wasted his time and failed to build up an actual winning campaign organization nationwide (an integral part of every nomination contest in both parties). Blame me. I alone, here at little LF, have caused this terrible grief to poor maligned Donald.
You overestimate yourself.
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter? "the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter" Think they're offended now? Wait until President Trump removes that 45% protective tariff on foreign motorcycles.
Both.
Big trouble from who? Racist agitators? So you're saying we shouldn't vote for Trump because blacks may riot?
He can't claim ignorance. I posted the video and he still spouts his crap. Trump certainly brings out the true colors in people, doesn't he? If nothing else, we now see people for who they really are.
"That's not a threat. That's a promise." --John Wayne
Why are you quoting Roger Stone? He has nothing to do with the Trump campaign, nor does the Trump campaign have anything to do with him.
Pick one. Like I care. Or anyone else cares about a few posts by anyone here at LF. You greatly overestimate the impact of a chat room like LF.
If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright. Trump WILL go into the convention with a plurality of delegates. I don't know if he can get to 1237. Trump is going to have a good week or two coming up. That probably won't continue for Western States after that. The big prize is California, and I have no clue as to how that will go. But all that being said, I repeat, Trump will have a plurality of the delegates going into the convention. If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention. he is rather pissed off at his treatment from the GOP elites anyway. And this won't be like the Ron Paul nuts demanding they be heard while they are laughed off the premises. If the RNC can't get Trump to play ball, he will essentially destroy the convention. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Come off it. Stone is Trump's longest political adviser and buddy, going back decades. Stone admits that he is still in contact with Trump and some elements of his staff on a regular basis. And he seems to be serving as an unofficial spokesman, something he couldn't do without Trump's blessing.
Nothing in the rules suggests or states that anything less than the prescribed 1237 delegates will win the nomination. Nothing. The nominee is the first guy to get to 1237, no matter what else happens. If situations were reversed and Cruz had the larger plurality, you'd be arguing the opposite. Because you're for Your Guy and against that Other Guy.
The scales have fallen from your eyes, eh? A regular epiphany. It's so surprising, given how secretive I have been about opposing Trump. When did I give myself away? Was it when Trump announced his candidacy and I promptly posted NRO's article, Witless Ape Rides Escalator? In retrospect, I may have tipped my hand with that one.
I see. You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
No. If you weren't such an r'tard, you'd realize I was saying that it simply does not matter what anyone posts on a chat forum with ~20 regular posters and ~20 irregular posters and (probably) even fewer lurkers. It used to be that at TOS, you might lurk around over at LP to pick up good stories or to have a wider variety of stories than RimJob would allow on TOS. I don't think LF has any comparable number of lurkers coming here from TOS. And only a handful of posters are registered and posting on both forums. LF is a little South Pacific island, full of cannibals. : )
I still expect people to tell the truth.
You expect too much of him.
You two crack me up most when you're trying to moralize from the rancid swamps of your own hypocrisy. How's that for truthfulness?
Emotional dishonest posturing.
Nor do you get to wish away the unpopularity of Ted Cruz, or of the Republican Establishment. The problem that you guys on the right are going to run into no matter what is the fact that the Left unites the poor and the minorities, and poor people blame YOUR policies, not the Democrats', for having destroyed their jobs, while Hispanics and blacks blame YOU for discrimination against them. So let's be generous and accept your argument that Trump, with all of his crossover voters, is too unpopular to win. That means, in a nutshell, that the Democrats will win. So once you've played all of the inside baseball on the Republican side, you still end up with the intractable problem that the only candidate you have who has a real chance of beating the Democrats in November is Trump.
And one Catholic guardian angel, don't forget.
If situations were reversed and Cruz had the larger plurality, you'd be arguing the opposite. Because you're for Your Guy and against that Other Guy. Actually, that's not true at all. I was for Cruz long before Trump ever announced his candidacy. I have become a bit disgusted with Cruz's Clinton-like campaign the last few weeks, though. I'm just saying that Trump has a large and very loyal following who won't be buffaloed aside, and there's nothing the RNC can do to stop it. They better come up with some way to appease Trump if his plurality of delegates going in is ignored. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
In a vacuum, I would agree. However, the Dems need to win with somebody. Can an avowed socialist win? Can anyone assure that Hillary will survive and win after the FBI report is made? The Dem party is almost as fractured as the Rep party. This is the wackiest election season I have ever seen.
Demographics. Kasich was liked but few would waste a vote on a walking dead campaign. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_kasich_vs_clinton-5846.html
RCP Average 3/24 - 4/3 -- -- 50.0 38.5 Kasich +11.5
Emerson 3/30 - 4/3 1198 LV 2.8 52 38 Kasich +14
Marquette 3/24 - 3/28 1405 RV 3.3 48 39 Kasich +9
I guess you have never noticed how the least unpopular becomes the most popular by default? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Yep. Yet all we hear is "Not Trump. Not Trump". Then who? Cruz? If the people want Cruz, then let the people select Cruz. So far they haven't. If they haven't by now, why would they later? And the reasons given for not liking Trump are flat-out ludicrous. Jonah Goldberg (NRO) had a recent article in USA Today where he blasted Trump because Trump said he wants America to win again. Because, you see, winning is a bad thing if you win by "overturning long-held notions of ideological orthodoxy". He then cites Barry Goldwater as a hero, because despite the fact he lost in a landslide he stood for a principle. Idiot.
No, I've never noticed that to be true. Kasich is the least unpopular. Trump is still the most popular.
Can an avowed socialist win? Yes. I am not saying Bernie will win,but I am saying it is entirely possible. Let's look at some facts. 1: The DNC has played at being socialist/communist ever since the 1930's,but in reality it was a promise of socialism/communism for the poor,not them. Other than King Franklin and his wife/cousin,they never meant it. 2: A large part,maybe even the majority by now,of the Dim base are true-believer socialists/communists that vote Dim because they lust after all the "free stuff" they think they can get without having to work for it. 3: Bubbette! may be the most unpopular Dim candidate with Dims in the history of the party. Her base is the whacked out whymen bunch,and the welfare blacks. Everybody else other than people who earn their living from the Dim Party pretty much hates and mistrusts her and are only going to vote on her because she has the "right" letter from the alphabet behind her name. 4:Along comes a actual lifelong socialist to run against her that is a true-believer in socialism,and who means every damnfool thing he says. 5: There are tens of millions of damnfool Dims registered to vote. Yeah,it could happen,and truth to tell,America would be better off with Bernie in the WH than with Bubbette! BECAUSE he is sincere and the truth is none of the power people in the background want socialism. Bernie might get the nomination and he might even get the WH,but he is NOT going to get the behind the scenes cooperation that Bubbette! will get because he most likely won't be willing to play the game where the WH and the bill sponsors skim off most of the money. In other words,about all Bernie can accomplish in the WH is to expose the fraud and hypocrisy that is what defines the Dim Party. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The funny thing is that a Democrat victory by Bernie Sanders would actually be closer to what Trump has offered in key foreign policy areas and regarding universal health insurance than anything any other Republican offers. If it's Bernie versus Cruz, or Jeb or Rubio or Ryan - or any other Republican but Trump - a very large number of Trump supporters (including me) will go vote for Sanders for just that reason. It is TRUMP that the new throng of Trump supporters are voting for, not the Republican Party. Take Trump and his voters out of the party, and the Republicans are a minoritarian, aging white rump of cranks, gun nuts, bitter-ender Reaganites, Cold Warriors, Israel Firsters and snake-handling nuts. The Republicans did not win Congress. Obama lost Congress. But the Republicans didn't stop Obama, and the country is doing poorly mainly for the folks voting for Trump. THOSE folks are NOT going to vote Republican except for Trump. Oust Trump, and see Sanders win on the Democrat side, and you'll have the implementation of full-on democratic socialism, European style, which will be pretty popular, because it's a damn sight better for the bottom 47% than what we've got now. The Republicans are used to falling back on delaying tactics, but that is because they have not fully comprehended that the only reason they were able to do that under Carter and Clinton and Obama is because of Republican control of the Supreme Court. If a Democrat wins, the DEMOCRATS will control the Supreme Court for the first time since Nixon, and that means a very swift rubber stamp of Democrat ideology and structure. The limits of Executive Orders is untested. A Democrat Supreme Court will give a Democrat President practically unlimited discretion. Republicans won't be able to delay things as they have, because the President will simply order the executive departments to take action, and the Supreme Court will uphold the President. Then Congress will have one expedient: government shutdown - and government shutdown destroys the Republicans every time they try it, ultimately because rich Republican donors are the primary beneficiaries of government contract payments.
I was only trying to say that Dems are not a lock and Reps are not certain toast in Nov. Bernie could pick up Elizabeth Warren for VP and make a formidable far left liberal ticket. As do you, I believe Bernie is sincere even if I personally disagree with much of what he says. If the Dems nominate Hillary, lots of Bernie supporters will stay home in November. If the Reps nominate anyone but Trump or Cruz, they may generate not only a stay home movement, but a third party revolt. In the meantime, the GOPe is effecting the destruction of Trump and Cruz as winning candidates in the general. The main mission of the GOPe is to stop Trump and Cruz. If they can insert a GOPe stooge, so much the better, but that is not essential. At this point, it appears both parties will put up severely damaged candidates.
Yes. Trump is not nationally a Republican or Democrat. He's a New York Republican which is what many might consider akin to a Democrat. He is not really locked to any party, but to solving problems. If Trump goes away, all those new Trump voters go with him.
Well, I think that too. While Hillary caters to dumbass socialists, Bernie really is a dumbass socialist. Bernie comes across as likeable and sincere, even if he is an idiot. Hillary comes across as a phony, snarling bitch except to her most devoted base. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
YIKES! I hadn't even thought about that. The DNC HATES the idea of Sanders getting the Dim nomination because he isn't even a Dim. What does it say about them when a non-Dim wins the Dim nomination? The truth is that Bernie and Warren could run as an alternative to the Dim Ticket,and most likely beat Bubbette! I might even vote for that ticket if the other only options are Bubbette! or Trump,the Chump. After all,a ticket of independent socialists in the WH isn't going to get ANY legislation they propose or support passed in either branch of Congress regardless of who controls them,so the worse case scenario is nothing gets better while the good news is nothing gets worse. These days that can be considered to be a victory for America. It might even result in political revolutions within both branches of the ruling party,and the old guard may get tossed out of power at the same time. I have to admit I am in love with the idea of seeing the Dim Party getting hung on it's own socialist petard. The only thing that could be better would be to see the alleged Republican Party also getting hung on their own conservative petard come next election,with the old guard fascists getting tossed out of government and replaced by actual conservatives. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Which is what I have been saying was a part of the plan from the beginning. He gets to spend the rest of his life bragging about how he "could have been the President of the US if I had wanted,but I decided the job was beneath me,so I dropped out of the race.",and Bubbette! sails to the WH with virtually no opposition other than Sanders. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I disagree. They are her base BECAUSE she is a phony snarling bitch. She represents them in every respect. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I today's America? Hell yes!! "Can anyone assure that Hillary will survive and win after the FBI report is made?" Indictment? Are you kidding? "The Dem party is almost as fractured as the Rep party. This is the wackiest election season I have ever seen." The DRat tribe will always rally together. Hell, they even supported the likes of Dukakis, Humphrey, and McGovern. Even JFK had a "fractured" party until he selected LBJ as his running mate. DRats are very tribal animals. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I said nothing of an indictment. The FBI report could be severely damaging whether Loretta Lynch acts on it or not. It depends on what information it publishes.
Do recall that the Slickster committed perjury as a sitting POTUS and the DRat faithful re-elected him anyhow? DRats do not GAS how corrupt or immoral their candidate is. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Uh,huh. You just keep thinking that. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Who is the boss of the FBI? Who controls the entire alleged Justice Department? Who hires and fires the Feeb director? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
FBI DIrector's Term is 10 Years. He cannot be fired by the President, only removed by Congress. The current FBI Director is a Bush appointee.
Yes. And if Trump is screwed and has the nomination STOLEN from him by the GOP, millions of Trump voters will take their revenge on the GOP by voting Democrat.
They may also generate a revenge vote for the Democrats.
It doesn't matter.His boss is the head of the alleged Justice Department,and he can be fired by the president. If ordered to do something,he either does it or resigns. BTW,Boy Jorge was no better than Bathhouse Barry. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Good to hear you say that Bubbette! is the Trumpettes fall back position if he doesn't get elected. How about if he just steps down and says he was cheated and that's why he quit? Do you worship T-Ball players enough to hold your breath,stamp your little feets,and vote for Bubbette! causen Donnie didn't get his way? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
If ordered to do something,he either does it or resigns. He could refuse to do it on the basis of law, and then refuse to resign also, and go public with what he was ordered to do. Then, if the order was specifically political, what happened would be clear - and clearly obstruction of justice. Then the AG could attempt to fire him, but he could resist removal, and the President could fire him, but he could also resist removal. And then there would be an interesting set of legal maneuvers, with a Supreme Court divided and unable to rule. Congress would leap to the fore with an impeachment, further complicating the situation. By simply being stubborn and refusing to obey orders that he could interpret as obstructions of justice, the FBI director, in the current environment, could touch off a constitutional crisis that would destroy Obama's legacy and that would set all politics on fire.
For my part, I hate Republicans. If they screw Trump out of the nomination, it is time for the Republican Party to be destroyed through prosecution and punitive taxation, regulation and aggressive investigation. And there's nobody better than Hillary to do that. So yeah, if the GOP screws Trump, I'll consider voting a straight Democrat ticket for the first time in my life. You want a Civil War? Bring it.
Then, if the order was specifically political, what happened would be clear - and clearly obstruction of justice. Then the AG could attempt to fire him, but he could resist removal, and the President could fire him, but he could also resist removal. And then there would be an interesting set of legal maneuvers, with a Supreme Court divided and unable to rule. Congress would leap to the fore with an impeachment, further complicating the situation. Yeah. Coulda,shoulda,woulda. You shoulda started that off with "Once upon a time....",like all good fairy tales. You DO know FBI directors are political creatures that were appointed by politicians,right? Do you really think there is ANY chance that ANY politician would ever appoint one that won't follow orders? Especially after all the crap that Janet Edgar Hoover (sucks like a Hoover!) got away with by using his secret files? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
And there's nobody better than Hillary to do that. Ok,so you care more about vengeance than you do America. Personally,I can't understand why most people don't hate both the alleged Republicans and the Dims. The only thing really wrong with this country is the Republicans and their brothers,the Dims. A pox on both houses,and may the cure rise quickly from the ashes. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
One Party Democrat rule would be better for America than letting the Republicans steal an election from the people's preference and then install a completely corrupt Ted Cruz. The best outcomes for America are: Trump, GOP holds Congress under Trump, Trump appoints the Supreme Court. Next best is Sanders, Dems take Congress, Sanders appoints Supreme Court. Worst for America is Cruz, GOP holds Congress, Cruz names the Supreme Court.
William Sessions refused to resign and was removed by Clinton in 1993. This time it's much harder, because Obama is nearing the end, and there's no Supreme Court to back him. If the FBI Director resists removal by claiming it is obstruction of justice, there is no easy answer. So yeah, I think that the FBI director, faced with an order to obstruct justice, might defy it, go public and refuse to leave the office, forcing the President to litigate...without a court that can give an answer. Ugly. UUUUUGLY.
Ok. I guess we will probably see for ourselves before long. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
What I think actually WILL happen is that the FBI interviews with Clinton and her crew will be so carefully staffed, scripted and choreographed by Loretta Lynch that she will claim to find ambiguity, and refsue to prosecute. And I think that before the FBI Director gets the chance to put a recommendation to prosecute before Lynch, he will be dissuaded from doing so. I don't think Hillary will be indicted. The opposite: I think the FBI will exonerate her.
On this we agree. She has been breaking the laws with impunity ever since she was caught manufacturing and destroying evidence while on the staff of the Watergate Committee,and even then she just got fired instead of prosecuted. Now with decades of blackmail material on everybody in power in DC,she's bulletproof. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Hillary is not Bill.
Cruz is simply a tool for the establishment to discredit Trump. Many conservatives see Cruz as being a Christian, however I see little if any evidence of that. Truth Is Still Truth Even If You Don't Believe It.
A statement that describes Trump far more accurately than Cruz. Trump is an admitted serial adulterer. He says he has never asked God for forgiveness of any sin. Ever. Try to make a short list about Cruz that is comparable.
Cruz is Elmer Gantry.
And Trump is P.T. Barnum. While I'm sure we enjoy making the unflattering comparisons, you still have no more proof of Cruz's religious hypocrisy than the tabloid National Enquirer, a Trump mouthpiece and endorsee. ‹/thrust parry›
And Trump is P.T. Barnum. I take the P.T. Barnum comparison as a compliment. He was a showman who did good by his stars and his audience. When I was a kid I saw this movie about his life (on TV) staring Burt Lancaster (who also played Elmer Gantry) and it was a fun and warm hearted story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZYjpBa4vfg
#2. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
Among Cruz supporters, 56 percent said it should be the best nominee, and 42 percent said it should be the candidate with the most votes
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Fuck Ted Cruz and his anti American new world order trade agenda.
#6. To: TooConservative (#4)
#7. To: ConservingFreedom, A K A Stone (#0)
(Edited)
#8. To: buckeroo, Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#6)
My Dead Dawg Scruffy
#9. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#10. To: Roscoe (#9)
(Edited)
#11. To: ConservingFreedom, TooCpnservative, AKA Stone, vicomte13, All (#0)
#12. To: TooConservative (#10)
#13. To: SOSO, nolu chan (#11)
Barring the strange and unusual, even for this campaign, I believe that Trump will get the nomination on the first ballot. Uncommitted delegates will put him over the top.
#14. To: TooConservative, SOSO (#13)
Cruz seems to have locked up 90%.
#15. To: TooConservative (#13)
#16. To: TooConservative, buckeroo (#4)
#17. To: TooConservative (#13)
#18. To: nolu chan, TooConservative (#14)
Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from any possibility whatever of attaining a 1237 majority after the April 19th primary in New York.
#19. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#15)
Tonight was Cruz' last victory, so enjoy it while it lasts.
#20. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
Tonight was Cruz' last victory
#21. To: TooConservative, SOSO (#13)
And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.
514 - Cruz
171 - Rubio
143 - Kasich
4 - Bush
1 - Fiorina
1 - Huckabee
1 - Paul
#22. To: SOSO, TooConservative (#18)
Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had.
#23. To: nolu chan (#22)
Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had.
#24. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
#25. To: Logsplitter (#24)
#26. To: TooConservative (#8)
Free Fred! : )
#27. To: nolu chan (#14)
Cruz is likely to be shut out in the northeast.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Not a natural born citizen. His mother renounced her citizenship. That is why that asswipe cheater will not release his immigration papers. He was a Canadian until a couple of years ago.
#29. To: nolu chan (#22)
Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.
#30. To: Pericles (#17)
How can you go for Cruz after what he did to the middle eastern Christians?
#31. To: SOSO (#18)
It will take a lot of opium smoking to see how Cruz has a realistic chance to get 1237 on the first ballot even with the uncommitted and unbound delegates.
#32. To: TooConservative (#10)
"Around a third of these delegates arrive at the convention unbound."
#33. To: TooConservative (#7)
"so is Speaker Ryan (who Trump badmouthed in his hometown, Janesville)."
#34. To: misterwhite (#32)
If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.
Roger Stone: We’ll disclose the hotel room number for any delegate in Cleveland who tries to “steal” the nomination from Trump 
“We urge you to visit their
hotel and find them.”
#35. To: misterwhite (#33)
Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again?
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
Doesn't matter.
#37. To: Roscoe (#36)
Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
Sure, I'm the problem.
#39. To: TooConservative (#35)
"Doesn't matter."
#40. To: misterwhite (#39)
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?
#41. To: TooConservative (#34)
"And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination?"
#42. To: Roscoe (#40)
#43. To: TooConservative (#34)
Roger Stone: We’ll disclose the hotel room number for any delegate in Cleveland who tries to “steal” the nomination from Trump
#44. To: TooConservative (#34)
#45. To: misterwhite (#39)
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?
#46. To: TooConservative (#13)
And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.
#47. To: misterwhite (#44)
Why are you quoting Roger Stone? He has nothing to do with the Trump campaign, nor does the Trump campaign have anything to do with him.
#48. To: no gnu taxes (#46)
But all that being said, I repeat, Trump will have a plurality of the delegates going into the convention.
If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention.
#49. To: Roscoe (#43)
"That's not a threat. That's a promise." --John Wayne"
#50. To: misterwhite (#42)
(Edited)
Trump certainly brings out the true colors in people, doesn't he? If nothing else, we now see people for who they really are.
#51. To: TooConservative (#45)
"You greatly overestimate the impact of a chat room like LF."
#52. To: misterwhite (#51)
You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
#53. To: misterwhite, redleghunter, ConservingFreedom, sneakypete (#51)
I see. You're saying if LF was a bigger forum, you'd tell the truth.
#54. To: TooConservative (#53)
"I was saying that it simply does not matter what anyone posts"
#55. To: misterwhite (#54)
I still expect people to tell the truth.
#56. To: misterwhite, Roscoe (#54)
misterwhite: "I still expect people to tell the truth."
Roscoe: "You expect too much of him."
#57. To: TooConservative (#56)
How's that for truthfulness?
#58. To: RoscoeooConservative (#56)
"trying to moralize from the rancid swamps of your own hypocrisy ..."
#59. To: TooConservative (#35)
Doesn't matter. Whether it's Trump or the kinds of supporters he draws, the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter and to GOP voters in general is already established. You don't get to just wish it away.
#60. To: TooConservative (#53)
LF is a little South Pacific island, full of cannibals. : )
#61. To: TooConservative (#48)
If The RNC relies on formal rules to take this from Trump, he will disrupt the convention.
#62. To: SOSO (#23)
But again, IDM who the REPs wind up nominating they are toast in Nov.
#63. To: TooConservative (#29)
I don't see where you get that at all.
Wisconsin: Kasich vs. Clinton
#64. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
Nor do you get to wish away the unpopularity of Ted Cruz, or of the Republican Establishment.
#65. To: Vicomte13 (#59)
"So once you've played all of the inside baseball on the Republican side, you still end up with the intractable problem that the only candidate you have who has a real chance of beating the Democrats in November is Trump."
#66. To: sneakypete (#64)
I guess you have never noticed how the least unpopular becomes the most popular by default?
#67. To: nolu chan (#62)
In a vacuum, I would agree. However, the Dems need to win with somebody.
#68. To: misterwhite (#65)
#69. To: sneakypete (#67)
I am not saying Bernie will win,but I am saying it is entirely possible.
#70. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#68)
It is TRUMP that the new throng of Trump supporters are voting for, not the Republican Party.
#71. To: nolu chan (#69)
As do you, I believe Bernie is sincere even if I personally disagree with much of what he says.
#72. To: nolu chan (#69)
Bernie could pick up Elizabeth Warren for VP and make a formidable far left liberal ticket.
#73. To: nolu chan (#70)
If Trump goes away, all those new Trump voters go with him.
#74. To: no gnu taxes (#71)
Hillary comes across as a phony, snarling bitch except to her most devoted base.
#75. To: nolu chan (#62)
Can an avowed socialist win?
#76. To: SOSO (#75)
Indictment? Are you kidding?
#77. To: nolu chan (#76)
The FBI report could be severely damaging whether Loretta Lynch acts on it or not. It depends on what information it publishes.
#78. To: Vicomte13 (#66)
Trump is still the most popular.
#79. To: nolu chan (#76)
The FBI report could be severely damaging whether Loretta Lynch acts on it or not. It depends on what information it publishes.
#80. To: sneakypete (#79)
#81. To: nolu chan (#70)
f Trump goes away, all those new Trump voters go with him.
#82. To: nolu chan (#69)
If the Reps nominate anyone but Trump or Cruz, they may generate not only a stay home movement, but a third party revolt.
#83. To: Vicomte13 (#80)
(Edited)
FBI DIrector's Term is 10 Years. He cannot be fired by the President, only removed by Congress. The current FBI Director is a Bush appointee.
#84. To: Vicomte13 (#81)
Yes. And if Trump is screwed and has the nomination STOLEN from him by the GOP, millions of Trump voters will take their revenge on the GOP by voting Democrat.
#85. To: sneakypete (#83)
It doesn't matter.His boss is the head of the alleged Justice Department,and he can be fired by the president.
#86. To: sneakypete (#84)
#87. To: Vicomte13 (#85)
He could refuse to do it on the basis of law, and then refuse to resign also, and go public with what he was ordered to do.
#88. To: Vicomte13 (#86)
For my part, I hate Republicans. If they screw Trump out of the nomination, it is time for the Republican Party to be destroyed through prosecution and punitive taxation, regulation and aggressive investigation.
#89. To: sneakypete (#88)
Ok,so you care more about vengeance than you do America.
#90. To: sneakypete (#87)
Do you really think there is ANY chance that ANY politician would ever appoint one that won't follow orders?
#91. To: Vicomte13 (#90)
So yeah, I think that the FBI director, faced with an order to obstruct justice, might defy it, go public and refuse to leave the office, forcing the President to litigate...without a court that can give an answer.
#92. To: sneakypete (#91)
Ok. I guess we will probably see for ourselves before long.
#93. To: Vicomte13 (#92)
I don't think Hillary will be indicted.
#94. To: SOSO (#77)
Do recall that the Slickster committed perjury as a sitting POTUS and the DRat faithful re-elected him anyhow?
#95. To: TooConservative (#37)
#96. To: GarySpFC (#95)
Many conservatives see Cruz as being a Christian, however I see little if any evidence of that.
#97. To: TooConservative (#96)
#98. To: Pericles (#97)
(Edited)
Cruz is Elmer Gantry.
#99. To: TooConservative (#98)
Cruz is Elmer Gantry.
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