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Title: Ted Cruz Wins Wisconsin Republican Primary
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URL Source: http://5newsonline.com/2016/04/05/t ... -wisconsin-republican-primary/
Published: Apr 5, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-04-05 22:00:54 by ConservingFreedom
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(CBS NEWS) — According to the CBS News Wisconsin Republican primary exit poll:
Cruz is running well across many groups of Wisconsin primary voters. He is beating Trump among men and women by about 10 percent, and he is ahead of Trump in all age groups.
Trump did less well in Wisconsin among groups of voters who have been his core supporters in previous primaries.
Cruz is winning among those with college degrees and among those without. They are about even among those with no more than a high school degree.
Cruz does better among more affluent voters but still runs almost even with Trump among those with incomes under $50,000.
Cruz runs well among those who said they are “very conservative” as he has in previous primaries, but he also edges out Trump among those who said they are “somewhat conservative.” Trump has generally beat Cruz among those who say they are somewhat conservative. Trump does lead Cruz among political moderates.
As many as 34 percent of Republican primary voters say that bringing needed change is the candidate quality that most mattered in their vote decision; Cruz and Trump run neck and neck among these voters. This is better than Cruz has done in previous primaries. Cruz ran well ahead of Trump among voters who said that they want a candidate who shares their values and among those who wanted a candidate who can win in November.
Sixty-five percent of Republican primary voters said they were very worried about the direction of the nation’s economy, and Cruz beat Trump among these voters.
Seventy percent support a temporary ban on Muslims who are not U.S. citizens entering the country, and Cruz and Trump are very close among this group.
Trump does beat Cruz among those who want to deport illegal immigrants who are not U.S. citizens, but only about one in three Republican primary voters support this position. Cruz topped Trump easily among the majority of primary voters who want to offer illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status.
Trump did very well among the half of Republican primary voters who want the next president to be from outside the political establishment, but he only got 7 percent of the vote of those who prefer the next president to have political experience.
The Republican exit poll asked voters, “If no one wins a majority of the delegates before the convention, should the party nominate the candidate with the most votes in the primaries or the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee?”
More than half, 56 percent, said the party should nominate the candidate with the most votes. Another 42 percent said it should be the candidate who the delegates think would be the best nominee. However, this varied widely between Trump and Cruz voters. As many as 83 percent of Trump voters said the nominee should be the candidate who won the most votes in the primaries. Among Cruz supporters, 56 percent said it should be the best nominee, and 42 percent said it should be the candidate with the most votes.
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#1. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
Not a natural born citizen. His mother renounced her citizenship. That is why that asswipe cheater will not release his immigration papers. He was a Canadian until a couple of years ago.
Fuck Ted Cruz and his anti American new world order trade agenda.
Spit.
#2. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
Among Cruz supporters, 56 percent said it should be the best nominee, and 42 percent said it should be the candidate with the most votes
The Cruz voters are right. This is NOT a democracy it's representative Republic.
Letting the elected delegates decide is what's supposed to happen in a Republic.
Trump voters are mob rule democracy collectivists, like Bernie supporters.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#3. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason.
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason.
And you'd vote for Trump or Kasich?
#5. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Fuck Ted Cruz and his anti American new world order trade agenda.
Cruz waffled around on TPA/TPP, trying to be on all sides of the issue over the course of a month.
I don't have any idea of what his real position is.
#6. To: TooConservative (#4)
Write in vote: My Dead Dawg Scruffy.
#7. To: ConservingFreedom, A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)
Whatever the merits of Cruz, I would say this is a demo of just how powerful Scott Walker is with GOP voters in Wisconsin. They've stood with him steadily from the start. Cruz owes this victory to Walker. As much as endorsements do not often matter, this one really did, as did having a friendly and powerful governor on the ground putting his campaign machine at Cruz's disposal.
Other minor helps for Cruz is Priebus is from WI and so is Speaker Ryan (who Trump badmouthed in his hometown, Janesville). A crowd of Trump's crackpots cheered him for that but it could not have played well with the WI GOP voters at large. Wisconsin GOP voters are rightly proud of the power of the state GOP they've built up and its major role in national GOP politics.
I'm not sure if Walker is interested but this could signal a cabinet position for him, certainly consideration on the Cruz VP short list. Kasich is better positioned than Walker for VP. So is Rubio who is carefully guarding his 170+ delegates to keep them bound to him until the convention when he could release them and urge them to vote for Cruz so he could become VP (or SoS or SoD). Kasich is the guy Cruz would want as VP to run against Hitlery (and carry indispensable Ohio) but Rubio is the guy that Cruz may not be able to win the nomination without.
#8. To: buckeroo, Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#6)
My Dead Dawg Scruffy
Scruffy is definitely my #2 pick.
Mentioning him reminds me of another recent dearly departed.
Free Fred! : )
#9. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#10. To: Roscoe (#9) (Edited)
Your numbers don't include the hundred delegates that Cruz just locked up in ND, CO, and elsewhere. He is on target to grab most of the PA delegates.
Around a third of these delegates arrive at the convention unbound.
And Rubio has 170+ delegates he is guarding like an old hen guarding her eggs. But he can unbind them on the first ballot in return for VP/SoS/SoD. But he can't run with Trump, not after all that tiny hands taunting and the rest of the stuff he said about Trump repeatedly.
#11. To: ConservingFreedom, TooCpnservative, AKA Stone, vicomte13, All (#0)
Barring the strange and unusual, even for this campaign, I believe that Trump will get the nomination on the first ballot. Uncommitted delegates will put him over the top.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#12. To: TooConservative (#10)
Google, April 5, 2016, 8:02 PM PT
#13. To: SOSO, nolu chan (#11)
Barring the strange and unusual, even for this campaign, I believe that Trump will get the nomination on the first ballot. Uncommitted delegates will put him over the top.
Cruz seems to have locked up 90%. I don't see how you can say that seriously.
Cruz is also locking up significant numbers of delegate slots with his supporters, people who are bound to vote for Trump on the first (or second) ballot but who will then flock to Cruz.
And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.
If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright.
#14. To: TooConservative, SOSO (#13)
Cruz seems to have locked up 90%.
90% of what?
Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from any possibility whatever of attaining a 1237 majority after the April 19th primary in New York. Cruz is running in third, has been there for a while, and is over 30 points behind Trump. Cruz can preach, but he can't sell his brand of snake oil in New York.
Cruz is likely to be shut out in the northeast.
#15. To: TooConservative (#13)
Tonight was Cruz' last victory, so enjoy it while it lasts.
#16. To: TooConservative, buckeroo (#4)
I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz for any reason.
And you'd vote for Trump or Kasich?
For me it is Trump or nobody. I could care less if the choice is between anyone else. There is no difference.
#17. To: TooConservative (#13)
How can you go for Cruz after what he did to the middle eastern Christians? You remember how he threw them under the bus for political points? That is what he will do to his voters.
#18. To: nolu chan, TooConservative (#14)
Cruz will be mathematically eliminated from any possibility whatever of attaining a 1237 majority after the April 19th primary in New York.
It will take a lot of opium smoking to see how Cruz has a realistic chance to get 1237 on the first ballot even with the uncommitted and unbound delegates. Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had. Trump's chances look good to get the 45 +/- out of these that he needs. But this has been a very strange campaign year.
Bottom line, IDM who gets the REP nomination as the REP Party is toast in 2016.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#19. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#15)
Tonight was Cruz' last victory, so enjoy it while it lasts.
That is not a realistic assessment.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#20. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
Tonight was Cruz' last victory
Likely so
#21. To: TooConservative, SOSO (#13)
And Rubio is just waiting with his hoard of 172 delegates. Kasich has 54. And Bush and others have some to toss in too, for their final revenge against The Donald's sneers at them.If Rubio and Kasich and Bush and others unbind their delegates and Cruz has hundreds of unbound delegates plus about 800 of his own delegates, Cruz could win on the first ballot against Trump, outright.
Rubio has 171. Kasich has 143 (not the 54 you cited).
Still, after NY, it may well be that Trump will have more than Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich combined.
Trump will likely end up with at least something in the neighborhood of 1200.
The GOPe will not unite to nominate Cruz.
The miscellaneous candidates have a grand total of 15 delegates. Carson's 9 is 2 more than the other 4 have.
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker
740 - Trump
514 - Cruz
171 - Rubio
143 - Kasich
9 - Carson
4 - Bush
1 - Fiorina
1 - Huckabee
1 - Paul
23 - Uncommitted
2472 total delegates
1237 needed for majority
888 remaining
Trump needs 497 for a majority.
Cruz/Kasich need 392 to stop Trump. Every delegate that Kasich wins will have Cruz finish that much further behind Trump.
Cruz needs Kasich to stay in and bag some delegates in the northeast. Kasich said so many times that he was beating Hillary in Wisconsin, maybe the Republican voters there thought he was running in the Democratic primary. Tonight, Kasich was non-competitive in every county of Wisconsin. Trump won the most counties. Cruz won the most delegates by far.
#22. To: SOSO, TooConservative (#18)
Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had.
I do not think current polling will have any validity when it becomes mathematically impossible for Cruz to win a majority. Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.
#23. To: nolu chan (#22)
Both CNN and Fox have been doing the math based on the current polling in the remaining 13 +/- states. There is an odds on bet that Trump will be 45 or so votes short going into the convention with about 150 uncommitted/unbound delegates to be had.I do not think current polling will have any validity when it becomes mathematically impossible for Cruz to win a majority. Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.
I certainly would not put any money on the predictive accuracy of the polling. Didn't one poll yesterday have Trump 10% up on Cruz in WI?
But again, IDM who the REPs wind up nominating they are toast in Nov.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#24. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
No surprise there. Wisconsin, voted #1 state in America for morbid obesity, is full of fat, frumpy chicks like Heidi Cruz. Of course they're gonna stick together. Birds of a feather and what not. Let's see how the vote turns out in the eastern states like NY, Jersey and Mass. where the women are much hotter and have nore self-esteem.
#25. To: Logsplitter (#24)
Plus Cruz bought the Governor.
#26. To: TooConservative (#8)
Free Fred! : )
Free Fred!
ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#27. To: nolu chan (#14)
Cruz is likely to be shut out in the northeast.
That speaks highly for him. The northeast ain't America.
ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Not a natural born citizen. His mother renounced her citizenship. That is why that asswipe cheater will not release his immigration papers. He was a Canadian until a couple of years ago.
We have one president from Kenya, and another wannabe from Canada. You got a problem with that?
It's the trend. Next month we start a reality TV series, "How to move to America, mouth off, and become president"
Outside of his citizenship, I have greater problems with Cruz. He has as great an allegiance to Mexican illegals as Americans. Like supports like. His background suggests Goldman Sacks and company. He is a lying disgrace to himself and to the American people supporting him.
#29. To: nolu chan (#22)
Wisconsin appeared good for Kasich but he was shut out in every county.
I don't see where you get that at all. It was always Trump who was expected to do well in WI and who had led in a number of polls until a few weeks ago.
Since you've been doing delegate math, you might check out my new thread on delegate counts. It does have some state-by-state details on the mechanics of awarding GOP delegates.
#30. To: Pericles (#17)
How can you go for Cruz after what he did to the middle eastern Christians?
Showboating for Adelson, to little effect.
Cruz unintentionally did raise the profile for this meeting which would have gone almost unknown in American media if not for Cruz.
Not that that excuses Cruz's grandstanding.
Even so, I can think of dozens of things about Trump that I dislike as much or more than Cruz's behavior at that event.
#31. To: SOSO (#18)
It will take a lot of opium smoking to see how Cruz has a realistic chance to get 1237 on the first ballot even with the uncommitted and unbound delegates.
Pass the hookah, dude.
BTW, Trump is not a witch.
#32. To: TooConservative (#10)
"Around a third of these delegates arrive at the convention unbound."
I'll say it again. If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.
#33. To: TooConservative (#7)
"so is Speaker Ryan (who Trump badmouthed in his hometown, Janesville)."
Didn't I post the YouTube clip of that? Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again? How many times will you post that lie?
#34. To: misterwhite (#32)
If Trump walks into Cleveland with the lion's share of delegates and does not walk out with the nomination, there's going to be trouble for the GOP -- no matter who they nominate or how they nominated him.
And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination?
You're not scaring anyone, any more than Roger Stone is with his threats about rioting ("Days of Rage") and publishing the hotel room numbers of anti-Trump delegates (some of whom are bound to vote for Trump on the first ballot but who could dump him on the second or third ballot to defect to Cruz).
| Roger Stone: We’ll disclose the hotel room number for any delegate in Cleveland who tries to “steal” the nomination from Trump |  “We urge you to visit their hotel and find them.” |
You really think these threats help your candidate? Or do they make Trump and his supporters more hated by everyone else? Imagine for a moment it was Cruz and his supporters threatening to riot or to bully delegates. Would you want to cave to threats from them? I don't think so.
It's a question of group dynamics. Making threats rarely prevails in relatively homogeneous groups like registered GOP voters.
#35. To: misterwhite (#33)
Trump simply mentioned Paul Ryan's name and the crowd booed. You need that posted again?
Doesn't matter. Whether it's Trump or the kinds of supporters he draws, the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter and to GOP voters in general is already established. You don't get to just wish it away.
There have been some elements at Trump's rallies that almost seem like plants for the Dems or perhaps agitators trying to make Trump look bad. The Bernie crowd would be likely suspects in WI.
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
Doesn't matter.
Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.
#37. To: Roscoe (#36)
Yep. Truth doesn't matter to you.
Sure, I'm the problem. Not Trump's many ignorant remarks and how he's wasted his time and failed to build up an actual winning campaign organization nationwide (an integral part of every nomination contest in both parties).
Blame me. I alone, here at little LF, have caused this terrible grief to poor maligned Donald.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
Sure, I'm the problem.
You overestimate yourself.
#39. To: TooConservative (#35)
"Doesn't matter."
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?
"the offensiveness to the average WI GOP voter"
Think they're offended now? Wait until President Trump removes that 45% protective tariff on foreign motorcycles.
#40. To: misterwhite (#39)
The truth doesn't matter or your lies don't matter?
Both.
#41. To: TooConservative (#34)
"And you somehow imagine there wouldn't be big trouble if Trump did get the nomination?"
Big trouble from who? Racist agitators?
So you're saying we shouldn't vote for Trump because blacks may riot?
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