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politics and politicians Title: One of Trump’s Latest Statements Could Put His South Carolina Primary Win in ‘Jeopardy’ Donald Trump raised eyebrows the other evening when he said he will no longer be upholding the GOP loyalty pledge, which he signed earlier this year: Now a potential consequence is going public. The state of South Carolina, which has yet to have its state convention, could potentially “unbind” Trump’s 50 delegates, which he won when he swept the state in February. TIME magazine’s Zeke Miller reported on Thursday: The loyalty pledge is nothing new in South Carolina, where it has been required for decades… Matt Moore, the chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party, said: But on Twitter, Moore added: — Matt Moore (@MattMooreSC) March 31, 2016 South Carolina holds its state convention in April, and if it proceeds to strip Trump’s delegates, it would surely spark uproar among the candidate’s supporters, in addition to being the latest example of the Trump campaign fumbling delegates he should have won: Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 27. “Breaking South Carolina’s presidential primary ballot pledge raises some unanswered legal questions that no one person can answer,” So the pledge Trump signed is legally binding? So it's not a pledge but a civil contract? Is that the message here? How many other R candidates do they force to sign this contract before letting them run for president? Is Trump the only one, because he's an evil guy?
#5. To: Pinguinite (#4) How many other R candidates do they force to sign this contract before letting them run for president? Is Trump the only one, because he's an evil guy? All of them. You can't appear on the SC ballot otherwise in my understanding. They have to sign the pledge when they apply to appear on the ballot. All the states have their own rules and laws about these things. Candidates and GOP delegates are bound legally. This is what is meant by "bound delegates". The laws of these states generally require them to do certain things, among them is a common requirement to vote for the candidate to whom they were awarded in the primary/caucus/state convention on the first ballot at the national convention. When Trump broke his pledge repeatedly, it lets all 50 SC delegates off the hook. You know, South Carolina whose governor endorsed Cruz a while back and where Lindsey Graham (who hates Trump even more than Rand Paul) is the party master. Graham is quite capable of doing this. He'd love it. And Kasich and Cruz also saying that they won't support Trump? Well, that doesn't matter because Trump had all 50 SC delegates in his back pocket, bound by law to vote for him on the first convention ballot. Now they are arguably free to vote for anyone they want, even if it is Cruz who is also saying he won't support Trump as the nominee. So Cruz and Kasich are relatively free to say they won't support Trump (and even egg Trump on to say the same thing) but Trump is a fool (and poorly advised) to say the same thing in public. The only penalty for them is if they happen to have delegates in other states where they signed a candidate loyalty oath like they had to in SC. But maybe those other states might choose not to pursue any action against them for the same infraction, eh? To give you some idea of how much these state laws vary, perhaps you might want to look through this piece. Richmond.com, 2012: Va. GOP to require loyalty oath in presidential primary And that wasn't a loyalty oath for the candidates. The VA GOP in 2012 required voters to sign a pledge that they would vote for the GOP nominee in the fall as a precondition to voting in the primary. These are not just the rules of some private club. The state parties can and do impose all sorts of laws and rules with the force of state law. And the other states and the courts are bound to respect their election laws. It is part of the fabric of the election system. I know that both Virginia and North Carolina were both pressing in the fall to force all the candidates to sign a loyalty oath too, just like South Carolina has had for decades. I'm not sure whether they passed it in the state GOP party process or not.
#6. To: TooConservative (#5) When Trump broke his pledge repeatedly, it lets all 50 SC delegates off the hook. How can you break a pledge when there isn't even a nominee yet. You establishment pricks are getting desperate. You voted for Romney. Romney is far to the left of Trump. That is the truth tooliberal.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6) How can you break a pledge when there isn't even a nominee yet. You really have a problem with logic and facts. You can whine about here at LF all you want. But the laws of these states that bind delegates are what they are, even if you jam your fingers in your ears and refuse to hear it. What exactly did you think they meant when they used the words "bound delegate"? They are legally bound to vote for the candidate they're pledged to on the first ballot. And that is how the nominee is selected. If you're too dumb to get that, stop asking me questions about it. It isn't that complicated.
#11. To: TooConservative (#7) You can whine about here at LF all you want. But the laws of these states that bind delegates are what they are, even if you jam your fingers in your ears and refuse to hear it. You can have your head up the establishments ass all you want. You said you don't know. Now you say you do. You are one of the most full of shit people I've ever met online. You lie about who you are and what you believe. You can't support the nominee before one is selected.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#11) You can't support the nominee before one is selected. Then there can be no nominee at all. It is the support of delegates at the convention that creates the nominee. I never realized I was sitting at the table for the retarded kids. Just believe anything you want. Or make up something that makes you happy. I could care less what you believe.
#18. To: TooConservative (#17) I never realized I was sitting at the table for the retarded kids. Dunning-Kruger
#26. To: Roscoe (#18) Dunning-Kruger So, smart guy, why don't you explain to us then? Petty sniping asswipe. Stupid and lazy to boot.
#27. To: TooConservative (#26) You've been at the table for the retarded kids your whole life. Do I need to draw you a picture?
Replies to Comment # 27. You've been at the table for the retarded kids your whole life. Apparently.
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