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Title: Trump: If abortion is banned, there has to be some form of punishment for women who do it
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URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/ ... unishment-for-women-who-do-it/
Published: Mar 30, 2016
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2016-03-30 17:16:58 by Tooconservative
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Charles Cooke calls this an ideological Turing test, i.e. a question whose answer reveals how plausible it is that Trump really is who he claims to be. The standard answer from nearly all serious pro-lifers is that it’s the abortionist, not his patient, who should be sanctioned if and when abortion is banned. The March of Life explains why: Ted Cruz, when he’s inevitably asked about this now, will give some variation of that same response. Trump, whom his conservative critics suspect of being an opportunist on abortion rather than committed to the cause, went a different route. You can almost see the wheels turning in his head here: He knows, as a political matter, that he can’t let Cruz get to his right on abortion. Republicans will let him slide on a lot — a lot — but if he gives them reason to think he’s BSing them on an issue at the very core of social conservatism, it could give Cruz the break he needs to take off. And so, when he gets the question from Matthews about what to do with women who insist on having abortions in a hypothetical future where the practice is banned, he goes with his gut — and his gut is “stay to the right.” So … sure, let’s punish women for abortion. This is the message the party’s carrying into the general election against the first woman major-party nominee, huh? By a guy who’s already having major problems polling among women, no less. It’s easy to understand how an amateur would stumble into this answer, writes Matt Lewis, but why would you want to nominate an amateur? Yet these political compromises are necessary in order to cobble together a palatable and defensible (if admittedly inconsistent) public policy position that might someday actually be able to win the argument in mainstream America. Part of the goal is to remove the ability for pro-choicers to demagogue the issue by scaring vulnerable women. Now, thanks to Trump, that’s back on the table. Trump’s already trying to walk it back even though the townhall with Matthews from which this was clipped hasn’t aired yet: — Sarah McCammon NPR (@sarahmccammon) March 30, 2016 Hillary’s already attacking him over it. So is Team Cruz, as you’ll see in the second clip below. Trump can run from it but it’s on tape and every down-ballot Republican will wear it now if he’s the nominee. And the best part, as one Twitter pal said, is that Trump will eventually (“eventually” as in “probably within the next few hours”) deny that he ever said it to begin with. Still think this is all part of a master strategy or could it be that he really is winging it? — The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) March 30, 2016 “Mr. Trump’s comment today is completely out of touch with the pro-life movement and even more with women who have chosen such a sad thing as abortion,” said Jeanne Mancini, President of the March for Life Education and Defense Fund. “Being pro-life means wanting what is best for the mother and the baby. Women who choose abortion often do so in desperation and then deeply regret such a decision. No pro-lifer would ever want to punish a woman who has chosen abortion. This is against the very nature of what we are about. We invite a woman who has gone down this route to consider paths to healing, not punishment.” In truth, like the notion that there should be exceptions for rape and incest, the notion that only the abortion doctor (not the woman having the abortion) should face penalties, is inconsistent with the notion that “abortion is murder.” #Trump campaign issues brief statement on #abortion: pic.twitter.com/jJFhzmHP5W Cruz campaign: Cruz focuses on punishing those who perform abortions, not women who get them https://t.co/GRrUbWpzGE https://t.co/7am5Tcd7AG
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The next Trump scandal.This will keep Vannity and Coulter and the other Mini-Me's busy Trumpsplaining it away for the next few days.
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The answer is, turn the abortion decision over to each state. The way it was up until 1973, prior to Roe v Wade.
If a state makes abortion illegal, it means no one is allowed to perform them in that state. If a doctor performs an illegal abortion, the doctor is charged (as he would be if he engaged in assisted suicide).
#2. To: TooConservative (#0)
Trump: If abortion is banned, there has to be some form of punishment for women who do it
Trump is absolutely correct. If, and the word is IF, an act is made a serious disregard or affront to the law, the act must be punished or there is no law. That's a secondary consequence that must by considered when passing a law.
#3. To: TooConservative, *Arab Spring Jihad* (#0)
It's Sharia Trump Law, with The Donald casting the first stone.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#4. To: TooConservative (#0)
Interesting to know you are more liberal than trump, you're pro abortion
#5. To: hondo68 (#3)
You're a pro abortion faggot lover who wants open borders. That is why you support that liberal as wipe Gay Johnson.
#6. To: rlk (#2)
Indeed.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
#7. To: A K A Stone, gayer than Mitt (#5)
pro abortion faggot lover who wants open borders
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#8. To: misterwhite (#1)
The answer is, turn the abortion decision over to each state.
But if you do that, then Trump can't punish them for having abortions.
#9. To: redleghunter (#6)
Indeed.
It is committing the abortion that is punishable.
The abortionist is the criminal, not the woman who is a victim of abortion (along with her murdered unborn child).
This has been the dogma of the pro-lifers for decades, something only an ignoramus panderer like Trump would not know. That is because he is -- as he always was -- an advocate for all abortions, including partial-birth abortion, having praised his own sister for the NJ abortion decision she issued as a federal judge.
#10. To: rlk (#2)
On most topics, I think Trump has pretty good political instincts. But this? Why the hell did he get involved on this? Stupid! I do not see where he gained anything. Really stupid!
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#11. To: TooConservative (#8)
"But if you do that, then Trump can't punish them for having abortions."
Matthews never said what the law was. His question was essentially, "If abortion is illegal and a woman breaks the law should she be punished?"
Trump responded that if she has a back-alley abortion, she should be punished. It was a bad answer to a bad question.
Making abortion illegal means doctors are not allowed to perform them. As to whether or not the woman should also be punished, what does the law say?
#12. To: TooConservative (#9)
Hiring someone to kill your kid is murder you fucking pro abort dumb ass.
#13. To: rlk (#2)
"That's a secondary consequence that must by considered when passing a law."
Exactly. Trump should have responded, "Well, what does the law say?"
The law could read that no one is allowed to perform an abortion. Those who do are punished according to the law. Whether or not the woman is also punished is subject to the law.
#14. To: TooConservative (#9)
The abortionist is the criminal, not the woman who is a victim of abortion (along with her murdered unborn child).
WTF are you talking about?
The doctor doesn't perform the abortion unless the woman comes and HIRES HIM to murder her child.
The woman is the greater criminal by far, and should be punished for it.
She WILL be punished for it, in the afterlife, but she should be punished for murder in THIS life, obviously.
#15. To: Vicomte13 (#14)
The doctor doesn't perform the abortion unless the woman comes and HIRES HIM to murder her child.
So you consider abortion to be murder-for-hire and the woman should be executed as a first-degree murderer and the abortionist would face a long prison sentence as a mere accomplice?
#16. To: TooConservative (#9)
This has been the dogma of the pro-lifers for decades, something only an ignoramus panderer like Trump would not know.
If THAT really IS "pro-life dogma", then no wonder pro-lifers have failed at everything. They're dumb as dogshit.
I am pro-life, and MY position is not so limp and stupid.
Abortion happens because woman want to murder their unwanted children.
The WOMEN are monsters and murderesses. The abortion doctors are the evil creep hitmen.
They're both evil, and they both deserve to be put to death for murdering children.
Abortion doesn't happen without an evil murderous bitch ordering it. The women are BY FAR the greater and worse cause, and BY FAR bear the greatest guilt. For the abortion doctor didn't go out and decide to murder another human being to be able to have orgasms without consequence.
#17. To: TooConservative (#15)
So you consider abortion to be murder-for-hire and the woman should be executed as a first-degree murderer and the abortionist would face a long prison sentence as a mere accomplice?
Execute them both. The abortionist commits a murder, the woman also commits the murder. They're both assassins, and they both deserve death and Hell.
#18. To: misterwhite (#13)
Exactly. Trump should have responded, "Well, what does the law say?"
But that isn't what he said.
The Dims will promptly launch a campaign against him like the one against Todd Akin. All that Akin said was that women who are "legitimately" raped rarely get pregnant. Trump went much further than that.
And the Dims will tar every Republican with the same brush, the usual War On Women garbage.
#19. To: Vicomte13 (#14)
Trump is to conservative for that asswiper.
#20. To: Vicomte13 (#16)
Yes Yes.
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#16)
I am pro-life, and MY position is not so limp and stupid.
I don't think there is a pro-life group in the country that would want you as a member, let alone a leader.
#22. To: TooConservative (#9)
"not the woman who is a victim of abortion"
The victim? Are you saying the abortion was performed without her consent?
Isn't killing a baby murder? If I shot a pregnant woman and killed her baby, I would be charged with murder. So if she allows a doctor to perform this murder, isn't she equally to blame?
#23. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Yes Yes.
You sound kinda desperate.
You see it all slipping away, I think. We've seen this movie before.
#24. To: TooConservative (#23)
Go tell God women should be able to kill their kids and get off scott free.
You're turning out to be an asshole.
#25. To: misterwhite (#22)
You guys just can't help yourselves, can you?
I'll leave all the expert Trumpsplaining in your hands.
#26. To: Stoner (#10)
On most topics, I think Trump has pretty good political instincts. But this? Why the hell did he get involved on this? Stupid! I do not see where he gained anything. Really stupid!
There are times when Trump shows evidence of not having considered things very comprehinsively or not having thought ahead. In some areas he lacks depth.
#27. To: TooConservative (#25)
Do that. We will leave the establishment cock sucking to you.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Go tell God women should be able to kill their kids and get off scott free.You're turning out to be an asshole.
Well, there certainly are some assholes on this thread. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide who they are.
#29. To: TooConservative (#18)
"But that isn't what he said."
Correct. He responded poorly to a poorly phrased hypothetical. He later clarified his position.
Time to move on.
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#16) (Edited)
Yea, that's why women can just get insertions to reduce the chance of pregnancy to 0 for 3 years like my friend did.
Or just date it correctly. Like not during ovulation, or not a week before it, ect
#31. To: TooConservative (#28)
I'll leave it up to the lord.
You don't think a woman who kills her kid has commited a sin.
Don't ever claim to be pro life. You're not conservative either.
too means also.
That means you have a couple of conservative positions. Everything else is libertariantard.
So you support abortion, Heroin. You don't support closing the border. You say that faggot lover Johnson is conservative because he is for abortion and fag pretend marriage.
You're out of the closet geezer.
#32. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13, A K A Stone, redleghunter, tomder55 (#22)
BTW, in his remarks, Trump only said that the women should be punished for abortion.
He made no mention at all of punishing the abortionist. None.
Would you guys care to Trumpsplain that to us?
#33. To: TooConservative (#25)
I thought it was a legitimate question. The fact that you refuse to answer it tells me what I need to know about your position.
#34. To: misterwhite (#33)
The fact that you refuse to answer it tells me what I need to know about your position.
I was just feeding you some rope.
Your problem isn't me. It's your cult leader, The Donald.
#35. To: TooConservative (#32)
"Would you guys care to Trumpsplain that to us?"
Sure. At that point, they were talking about the woman having a back-alley abortion. Matthews asked if she should be punished for that that. Trump said yes.
Trump corrected that later and said she shouldn't. End of story.
#36. To: TooConservative (#32)
He made no mention at all of punishing the abortionist. None.
You should be punished. I agree.
#37. To: misterwhite (#29)
He responded poorly to a poorly phrased hypothetical. He later clarified his position.
It wasn't poorly phrased or a hypothetical. It was a direct yes-or-no question.
And Trump answered YES, women must be punished for abortion.
Go back up and look at the interview again. Did you even watch it?
#38. To: A K A Stone (#36) (Edited)
You should be punished. I agree.
You like to whip yourself up into a fury of false accusations if someone says something you disagree with.
Oh, yeah, and Free Sneaky.
#39. To: TooConservative (#34)
"Your problem isn't me."
My problem IS you and people like you. Trump corrects his mistake and, like a dog gnawing on a bone, you just won't quit the criticism.
#40. To: TooConservative (#21)
I don't think there is a pro-life group in the country that would want you as a member, let alone a leader.
The Catholic Church is pretty pro-life. They have me. But guess what, I can't become one of THEIR leaders, because in the end I prefer sex and childbearing with a woman than being a eunuch for God - and that means that I don't get to be a leader in that institution. Only those who sacrifice their sexual lives to follow Christ wholly get to be.
You don't like that. But it acts as a very effective barrier to those of us who are fleshly enough to prefer the carnal company of the opposite sex over a life of prayer, and who are therefore likely to favor our families - as we would be expected.
There are very few Catholic parents who would obey God if they were in the position of Abraham, asked to sacrifice their son. They would say "No, Lord, I will not." Or they would say "You are not really God - you are a demon to demand such a thing!" I know I would.
And therefore, the fact of celibacy MEANS that Catholic parents and spouses aren't put in the position of having to choose between God and family. The rule avoids it.
So, I AM already a part of the world's largest and most consistent pro-life organization. They're happy to have me as a member. And no, I will never be in any position of leadership, and shouldn't be. And it is all designed that way, quite wisely I believe.
People like you don't understand us.
#41. To: A K A Stone, hondo68 (#5)
You're a pro abortion faggot lover
Your views are firmly in line with those of radical muslims.
Saudi government ‘wants to EXECUTE gay people who show their sexuality in public & online'
You may just get this with Trump as president.
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