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politics and politicians Title: BERNED: Bernie Sanders Overcomes 30%-Plus Deficit to Win Michigan The race was called by the Associated Press and Fox News just after 11:30 p.m. ET.
With 31% of the precincts reporting as of 9:10 p.m. ET, Sanders led Clinton 50.9% to 47.1%. That lead weakened once precincts in heavily-black areas of Detroit began to report, with Clinton winning nearly 60% of the vote. But his lead steadied again, with Sanders at 50.6% and Clinton at 47.5% after 71% of the precincts had been counted. And then, later, at 50.4% for Sanders and 47.6% for Clinton with 92% of the precincts counted. Faces at Clinton’s victory rally looked troubled, with supporters apparently watching the returns as she spoke.
Meanwhile, Sanders pulled together an impromptu press briefing in Miami, thanking the people of Michigan. It was the understatement of the night — and could represent a turning point in the Democratic primary contest. The last two public polls released before the election showed Clinton ahead by margins of 37% and 27%. The RealClearPolitics average of polls had Clinton ahead by 21.4%. Only one poll out of dozens had shown Sanders within single digits of Clinton in Michigan, and that poll, an outlier, was taken six months ago, in September. Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com called it “among the greatest polling errors in primary history.” But polling over several months that shows the same result cannot be called an error. The voters simply changed their minds. Clinton is still, by far, the favorite to win the nomination. She enjoys a wide lead in delegates and a massive lead in superdelegates, adding to her lead by trouncing Sanders in Mississippi, 82.9% to 16.2%. Still, with his historic victory in Michigan, Sanders showed that he does not intend to go quietly. (1 image) Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest BERNED: Bernie Sanders Overcomes 30%-Plus Deficit to Win Michigan There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #2. To: cranky (#0) Sanders showed that he does not intend to go quietly. Hmmm . . . could THIS be in ol' Bern's future?
"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . " ~Psalm 33:12a #3. To: cranky (#0) See, what's going on on the Democrat side is that same thing that's going on in the GOP. The Establishment is unpopular, very, deeply unpopular. The Republicans hate their Establishment, and so are voting for Trump (or Cruz). The Democrats having gotten more and more restive too. They don't really WANT Hillary, they just feel stuck with her. Sanders gives them a vehicle to express their frustration. And they are. Democrats are less unhappy with their Establishment than Republicans are. On the Democrat side, the Establishment candidate will ultimately be the nominee, but on the Republican side, the Establishment is going down in flames as Trump conquers them. What does this mean for the general election? It means that Trump will bring in a lot of disaffected Democrats who won't vote for Hillary.
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) " Trump will bring in a lot of disaffected Democrats who won't vote for Hillary. " I agree. And that is why I do not believe all the BS that Hillary will beat Trump. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur #5. To: Rufus T Firefly (#2) Hmmm . . . could THIS be in ol' Bern's future? There's no need. By all accounts, Hildebeest has the delegates necessary to win (so long as there are no defections). In fact, even though she lost Mi, she may end up getting more delegates there than Sanders got. So far, the fix is still in. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #6. To: Vicomte13 (#3) It means that Trump will bring in a lot of disaffected Democrats who won't vote for Hillary. Maybe. It's a lot easier to just not vote. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #7. To: Stoner (#4) And that is why I do not believe all the BS that Hillary will beat Trump. You're right about that too: Trump will beat Hillary like an old leather bag. Hillary will win the hard-core Democrats. She'll win 75% of the Jewish vote, 75% of the Hispanic vote and 85% of the black vote. But that's all she's guaranteed. What does that amount to? If the entire voting group turned out, that's 75% of 1%, 85% of 12%, and 75% of 17% - but that's assuming that all of the Hispanics are legal. A fifth are not, so reduce that last number to 75% of 14%. If every member of those minorities came out to vote, that's 21.45% of the vote...but that assumes that everybody votes. In actuality, Blacks and Hispanics vote less than Whites do. Jews vote, so we'll give Hillary that full .75% of the vote. But blacks and Hispanics don't vote as often as whites. On average, 48% of blacks vote, but 67% of whites vote. Now, when Obama ran, the black vote really came out. They're not going to come pouring out for Hillary, because they don't perceive Trump to be a threat to blacks. In fact, Trump polls well with Blacks (relative to other Republicans). There's a differential of 20% in the voting behavior of minorities and whites, so we must remove 20% of that pre-cooked vote for Hillary from the totals, because blacks and Hispanics simply don't vote as much as whites. So, really, Hillary comes into the election with a locked in 17% of the vote. That's it. Historically, Jews have made a great deal more impact on elections than their voting numbers, because they pour money into the process. Problem: this year, money doesn't mean shit. Jeb Bush had $100 million. He was beaten by the margin of error. Trump has spent a couple of million, total, but the SuperPacs just burned up $38 million on a relentless scorched-earth ad campaign against him. And apparently they INFLATED the turnout for him by doing so. Americans are mad, and they see what the entrenched powers are TRYING to do. Money doesn't mean shit this time, though. People won't be bought. That means that this time, the Jews have nothing. They're along for the ride. Trump's policy towards Israel is what it is, and it isn't going to be bought. So, for the first time in decades, the Jews are irrelevant to the American election because (1) they're 1% of the electorate and they all vote Democrat anyway every election, and (2) Their money and media control have been toothless against Trump. Trump is a known quantity. So is the money Establishment, and the people are choosing Trump. Trump is going to get a huge chunk of the 47% that Romney wrote off. He's going to get disaffected voters from both parties. He will win the Midwest, defeating Hillary in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin. He will win Virginia. Election night will be a bad night for Hillary Clinton. And if Obama doesn't pardon her, Trump will PROSECUTE her for national security violations once he is in office, and she will go to jail.
#8. To: cranky (#5) OF COURSE the fix is in in the Democrat Party. The Democrats currently hold power, and have held power for a long time. Their Establishment has DELIVERED them stuff. The GOP Establishment has delivered nothing but tax breaks and special economic deals to the super-rich and connected. They've fucked the middle class and working class in the ass, which is why there is no amount of money, or negative campaigning, or endorsements, that can save the Republican Establishment now. They are the failed leaders of a failed cause. The Republican Party is being remade into a populist, nationalist party by Trump. And he's going to win based on that.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8) The GOP Establishment has delivered nothing but tax breaks and special economic deals to the super-rich and connected. They have also advanced an open borders, right to work, Federally funded abortion on demand, homosexual, transgender, social justice agenda with the specific goal of eradicating America's culture and traditional values and rendering the US Constitution moot. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #10. To: Rufus T Firefly (#2) Fort Marcy Park How come the location of Vince Foster's body is not on the map? I sense a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy! Hillary shot him.
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