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politics and politicians Title: Donald Trump: Since RNC ‘In Default,’ Pledge Now Voided, I ‘Can Do What’ I ‘Have to Do’ to Win HANAHAN, South Carolina — 2016 GOP presidential frontrunner Donald J. Trump tells reporters here that his pledge to support the eventual GOP nominee is now void because the Republican National Committee, along with local and state GOP factions, is stacking debate audiences with donor class officials.“The RNC is in default,” Trump said at the press conference. “Just so you understand, the RNC is in default. When somebody is in default, that means the other side can do what they have to do. The RNC is in default.” Trump’s point is that the RNC has defaulted—through its actions against his candidacy—on the pledge he signed earlier in the cycle, and his point is that because they have defaulted he can do whatever he wants. Trump is signaling he may not support the eventual GOP nominee in 2016 if that nominee is not him. The significance of this development can’t be understated. The entire GOP presidential primary election has focused on this question, which was launched to the center of discussion by the first question at the first GOP debate in Cleveland, Ohio, back in August, 2015. That question, by Fox News’s Bret Baier, asked all the candidates on stage to raise their hands if they would support the eventual GOP nominee. Trump was the only one who didn’t raise his hand. That, and several other unseemly questions from Fox’s Megyn Kelly about Trump and women, catapulted into public view a then-private war between Trump and Fox that has lasted publicly to this day. In the coming weeks, the RNC eventually negotiated it out with Trump to get him to sign a pledge to back the eventual nominee. He signed it. But Trump is now arguing that the RNC hasn’t been fair, and he says that means that the RNC, in his words, has defaulted on their end. So Trump says he can do whatever he wants if he doesn’t win the nomination. Of course, all of this could end up being a moot point should Trump win the nomination, as he’s fairly heavily favored to do at this point. But if he does lose, a world of possibilities has now opened up. “The RNC gave all the tickets to special interests that represenSen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Rubio,” Trump said at the press conference, explaining how and why the RNC defaulted on their pledge.
All of this leads Trump to believe that the RNC, like his opponents, is controlled by special interests and high-dollar donors who don’t have the well-being of the American public in mind. That, Trump says, is why Republicans have lost presidential elections in 2008 and 2012—and will lose in 2016 if the nominee isn’t the right person. “I think the RNC is controlled,” Trump said. “The bottom line is the RNC is controlled by the establishment and the RNC is controlled by the special interests and the donors, and that’s too bad. And that’s why the Republican Party has lost for president for so long.” Overall, Trump added, he’s “very disappointed” in the RNC. “I’m very disappointed in the RNC, Republican National Committee,” Trump said.
The RNC’s Sean Spicer has not responded to a request for comment in response to Trump’s comments on Monday. (1 image) Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Trump’s point is that the RNC has defaulted—through its actions against his candidacy—on the pledge he signed earlier in the cycle, and his point is that because they have defaulted he can do whatever he wants. Your man remains a total sh*t. As true to his smelly self as he ever was and still can be. Can you possibly be surprised by this? Maybe you can as you seem to bank on Trump's word meaning something. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #2. To: cranky, *2016 The Likely Suspects* (#0) Trump needs to burn his GOP Membership Card, and join the Libertarian Party debates, with John McAfee as his VP. ![]() #3. To: cranky (#0) “I think the RNC is controlled,” Trump said. It sure is, and the collection of second rate assholes running it intend to keep it that way!
#4. To: cranky (#0) The crybaby who isn't a Republican anyway has been showing his true colors . During the debate ,and on the campaign trail ,he is using rhetoric right out of Michael Moore and Code Pinko's playbook. How many people did he threaten to sue today ? "If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." Plato #5. To: hondo68 (#2) Trump needs to burn his GOP Membership Card, and join the Libertarian Party debates, with John McAfee as his VP. Won't do any good. 2016 Presidential Ballot Access Map | Libertarian Party Green: on the ballot Blue: process underway to get on the ballot Red: not on the ballot yet
Three minor parties are recognized in more than 10 states:[1]
In addition, 24 political parties had achieved ballot access in only one state as of April 2015. At that time, Florida had granted ballot access to 15 political parties, more than any other state.[1] The table below lists the distinct ballot-qualified political parties in the United States as of April 2015.[1]
The Republicrats have rigged the game. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #6. To: tomder55 (#4) The crybaby who isn't a Republican anyway has been showing his true colors . I think he's gone off the rails and the RNC couldn't be happier. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #7. To: cranky (#0)
In a three way race, 44% is a landslide. In the general election on November 8, 2016, facing bush and clinton or sanders, I believe Donald will have 53%. In a three way race 53% is a run away landslide that totally undermines and destroys the GOP and DNC. To be a Natural Born Citizen one must be born of two parents, one male one female who are both US citizens at the time of the birth which takes place either in one of the states or on either a US military base or within a US Embassy. Neither Cruz or Rubio are Natural Born Citizens. Both are Americans, but neither is a Natural Born US Citizen. Because birthright citizenship under the 14th amendment is based on Jus Soli or "Born To The Soil" Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous. #8. To: tomder55 (#4) The crybaby who isn't a Republican anyway has been showing his true colors . During the debate ,and on the campaign trail ,he is using rhetoric right out of Michael Moore and Code Pinko's playbook. What a pile of establishemnt cat shit. Another establisment lie. Iraq war was bullshit. Bush was possibly involved in 911 or at the least the CIA. Only a dumb ass that sucks establishment dick believes the government would let terrorists take a joy ride to Ohio and fly off course for hours. A government cock sucker. Truth is Bush belongs in prison. Just like the Clintons and Obama. Traitors that broke their oath of office all of them.
#9. To: BobCeleste (#7) To be a Natural Born Citizen one must be born of two parents, one male one female who are both US citizens at the time of the birth which takes place either in one of the states or on either a US military base or within a US Embassy. That is my definition of 'natural born citizen' (though I would include US Territory to the list and remind you that Barry Goldwater ran for President but was born in AZ when Az was still a territory) but I don't believe any court has ever defined the term. The majority decision in Minor v Happersett alluded to it, iirc, but pointed out some people held that a single parent (usually the father) was sufficient (jus sanguinis) to provide citizenship (jus sanguinis) without naturalization. There were a couple of other cases (US v Wong Kim Ark comes to mind) that danced around it but no real definition. Up to now, no one of standing has been able to put the question before a court for a variety of reasons but Donald Trump or his campaign manager might be the guys that can. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #10. To: SOSO (#1) Your man remains a total sh*t. As true to his smelly self as he ever was and still can be. Can you possibly be surprised by this? Surprised? I am IMMENSELY PLEASED. Just to remind you: I love certain ideas - like enforcing the rule of law, peace through pragmatic cooperation with Russia, ending the "free" trade fiasco with China. I am interested in the victory of my ideas. I hate the Republican Party, and won't be voting Republican UNLESS Donald Trump is the nominee. So, the fact that Trump is observing the truth about the GOP - that it is a completely corrupt organization controlled by special interests, and that he will not abide by an agreement with the GOP that the GOP has broken, I THINK IS GREAT. You will nominate Trump, or you will have Hillary Clinton in the White House and Barack Obama on the Supreme Court, because Trump will run independent, and I'll vote for him. Trump is engaging in a HOSTILE TAKEOVER of the Republican Party, and I intend to see him succeed, because I would like to be represented by my government, and neither party represents me. But Trump's policies are what I agree with, pretty much across the board. THEREFORE I am determined to see Trump win. And if the GOP decides to cheat and take down Trump, I want to see Trump run Independent and destroy the party for good. The Republican Establishment will never have power again. The question is whether there will be a new populist/nationalist party that represents me and most of the people who are like me, or Democrat rule forever. Your kind has held power in the GOP too long for any good you've done. You can hold on to some of what you like with Trump. Or you can lose it all. But change is here, and it's now, and there is no path to victory for your GOP as it has been, because the GOP is shit, and the Establishment are shit. After the hostile takeover is complete, the GOP will still be pro-business, and for lower taxes, but the finance industry is going to take a big tumble, and industry will be coming back. Don't like that? You DON'T like that. That's why you think Trump is shit. But I think he's great. I agree with him. And I am glad to see him using the full measure of his power and influence to bring your guys to heel and set new rules by which they will live or politically die. It's all good.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10) I hate the Republican Party, and won't be voting Republican UNLESS Donald Trump is the nominee. Then you still would not be voting Republican. "After the hostile takeover is complete, the GOP will still be pro-business, and for lower taxes, but the finance industry is going to take a big tumble, and industry will be coming back. Don't like that? You DON'T like that. That's why you think Trump is shit." I think Trump is a turd for very valid reasons, i.e. - his character, past track record, dishonesty, self-promoting, egomaniac. "I agree with him." That's why P.T. Barnum was talking about you for every minute. But I think he's great. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #12. To: tomder55 (#4) The crybaby who isn't a Republican anyway has been showing his true colors . During the debate ,and on the campaign trail ,he is using rhetoric right out of Michael Moore and Code Pinko's playbook. How many people did he threaten to sue today ? Like any of us is surprised. It's not like Trump's tendencies and behavior were not unknown prior to his run. This is exactly the kind of thing we should expect from Trump.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#8) Only a dumb ass that sucks establishment dick believes the government would let terrorists take a joy ride to Ohio and fly off course for hours. Do you actually spend time coming up with such ugly writing? Why do you bother? You don't win anyone over talking like that. You never will.
#14. To: TooConservative (#13) You don't win anyone over talking like that. You never will. He may not "win anybody over", but I'll tell you something: he is expressing the rage - the utter HATRED that he, and I, and millions of others feel towards the Establishment politicians. With Trump with can win in a peaceful revolution. If the Republican cocksuckers steal it all again, I'm not so sure that the rage will be contained anymore. The rage that blacks used to feel in their ghettos is now felt by poor and working and middle class Whites everywhere. It's a real rage, and a righteous one. What is Stone raging it? The destruction of the country of his birth at the hands of greedy, corrupt pigs. It won't stand. One way or another, all of that will come down. It would be better if it came down in a controlled manner, behind a leader that is popular, than that it explode.
#15. To: SOSO (#11) Then you still would not be voting Republican. Republican is the name of a voting club. The only content to that name is what the club members believe. The current club board of directors believe in crony capitalism and forever war. Those things have brought us to a bad end. So we need to rewrite the script. Since the current leaders of the club won't yield, they have to be thrown out in a hostile takeover. Republicanism is not a religion. It's a club. The leadership of clubs can be changed. This one is chancing now, to something better.
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#15) current club board of directors believe in crony capitalism and forever war. And you really believe that Trump doesn't. Damn man, are you that blind or hard up for a political savior? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #17. To: SOSO (#11) So, SOSO, who are you supporting? Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous. #18. To: Vicomte13 (#14) With Trump with can win in a peaceful revolution. If the Republican cocksuckers steal it all again, I'm not so sure that the rage will be contained anymore. You're developing quite a potty mouth. It isn't hard to see how much you enjoy cheerleading your longstanding chorus of hatred for the GOP with dissident GOP voters. Yet you barely mention the Dems at all.
#19. To: SOSO (#16) I know Trump doesn't believe in forever war, because I've listen to him consistently talk about allying with Russia. And I've heard Putin reply very favorably. England and France allied, and were everafter better off for it. It's time for the two Cold War enemies to ally and bring order to our respective spheres, and not get into a ruinous new arms race. Trump gets it. Putin gets it.
#20. To: TooConservative (#18) Oh no. Bad words. Quick, hide under the table. Prudes bore me. The Democrats? Well, they're wrong on abortion. They're right about Social Security and Medicare. They're right about the need for universal health coverage, but wrong about the means to go about it. They're right about the need for public schools, but badly flawed in the execution. They're right about the need for student debt relief of some sort. They've done about as disastrous a job as the Repulicans on foreign policy. They're wrong about open borders. They're right that the financial industry needs to be regulated. They're right about the need for unemployment insurance and food stamps and a social safety net for the people wiped out by free trade. They're babykillers. I don't vote for Democrats. Trump couldn't run as a Democrat because he's pro-life. But Trump's pretty much got a perfect set of policies, and by running as a Republican he makes it possible for me to vote Republican again. You should be pleased, but for some reason you're not.
#21. To: BobCeleste (#17) So, SOSO, who are you supporting? I live in Colorado therefore I can't support anyone in the Republican primaries. The CO Republican Party made sure of that by changing the rules this year to electing uncommitted delegates. This is just one reason why I am no longer a registered Republican. If the general comes down to Bow Wow Hillary and Dollar Donald I will sit this one out. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #22. To: Vicomte13 (#19) Trump gets it. Putin gets it. So do Obama and Bow Wow Hillary. Remember RESET? Oh, that's right, even though Obama promised to be more flexible with Putin (and he has been) it hasn't work so far. Pooty Poot has gotten the best of Obama. So has Iran. So has N. Korea. And Assad. And ISIS. So you can watch with hopeful eyes as Dollar Donald goes hat in hand to "deal" with Putin on Putin's terms. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #23. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#20) Trump couldn't run as a Democrat because he's pro-life. Yup, until his not again. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #24. To: SOSO, Vicomte13 (#23) Yup, until his not again. I know, right? I'm not sure that is enough to dampen Vicomte's schoolgirl crush on his red-eyed orange-skinned blond-haired man-crush, the Divine Donaldo.
#25. To: TooConservative (#24) You know? Well, there's also immigration. I know that the Republicans will leave the door open to Mexico, even after campaigning on the issue, because they always have. I know they'll all expend "free" trade with China, because all of them except Trump believe in it. I know that they'll restart the Cold War, because they've all promised too. I'll take my chances with Trump.
#26. To: Vicomte13, SOSO (#25) I'll take my chances with Trump. Fine. Just don't try to pretend Trump is more pro-life than the Pope. And Trump's plan on the illegals, inasmuch as you can pin him down, is to deport them all, then let 90% back in with green cards immediately. Which is just another flavor of amnesty, albeit with a slower pathway to citizenship. Trump's constant flipflopping and history as a liberal Dem is not exactly a cause for any confidence.
#27. To: TooConservative (#26) Trump's constant flipflopping and history as a liberal Dem is not exactly a cause for any confidence. The Republican record of crony capitalism, illegal amnesty, leaving the door wide open, selling out the country to China, and charging into losing wars is a reason to reject them completely. Trump's presence gives the brand some hope. As far as pro-life goes, the Republican record is clear: a Republican court gave the country Roe (in the same time period that Reagan gave California its abortion rights law), another Republican court expanded Roe in Casey. And then there are the Kennedys and O'Connors, Souters and Romneys. Republicans are so damned predictable. Run on pro-life, then put pro-aborts on the court. Republicans have no credibility at all when they criticize Trump.
#28. To: Vicomte13, SOSO (#27) The Republican record of crony capitalism, illegal amnesty, leaving the door wide open, selling out the country to China, and charging into losing wars is a reason to reject them completely. Dems have at least as many cronies as the GOP, aid and abet the illegal invasion far more than the GOP does, it was the Dems under Xlinton who fully opened the door to China, and you seem to forget the losing Dem wars of Korea and Vietnam, to name just a few. And on abortion, there is no way you can allege that the GOP has ever been as extreme as the Dems have been. Abortion is a sacred doctrine of the Dem party as they resist any restriction on abortion, even abortions of healthy infants in their eighth or ninth month of gestation. You can never accuse any Republican of such extremism. Funny how you always blame the GOP for things that you just give a complete pass to the Dems on. Don't think it goes unnoticed. Your posting history is well-known here.
#29. To: TooConservative (#26)
![]() #30. To: TooConservative (#26) And Trump's plan on the illegals, inasmuch as you can pin him down, is to deport them all, then let 90% back in with green cards immediately. Which is just another flavor of amnesty, albeit with a slower pathway to citizenship. And none of them would have to move an inch. "Trump's constant flipflopping and history as a liberal Dem is not exactly a cause for any confidence." LOL. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #31. To: vicomte13 (#30) Sorry post #30 was for you too. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #32. To: TooConservative, vicomte13 (#28) it was the Dems under Xlinton who fully opened the door to China And lined his pockets with Chinese money in doing so. And to most folks that DID go unnoticed (or at least they give him a pass on that because he was the first Black President and felt our pain). But I am certain that Dollar Donald will do much, much better by the common folk and eliminate any crony capitalism under his reign as the Imperial President. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #33. To: TooConservative (#28) Don't think it goes unnoticed. Your posting history is well-known here. Oh, gee, I have an opinion and I express it on a chat site, where about 10 regulars read it, and a little more than half of them yell at me. I agree broadly with Democrats on economics. I don't agree with either party on national defense priorities. But I do agree with Trump. He's a Republican. I don't agree with either party on trade. But I do agree with Trump. He's a Republican. I don't agree with either party on immigration. But I do agree with Trump. He's a Republican. I just don't care about gay marriage or drug legalization. I don't care about gun control either way. I recognize the abstract right, but it's not a hill I'm going to go die on. I agree with what some Republicans say about protecting babies from abortion. Trump says no abortion, with rape and incest exceptions. I don't like those exceptions, but I think that the country will accept a pro-life politician who has a rape and incest exception. I think it's much harder to get elected without those exceptions. If I were running, I would not make a rape or incest exception...and I would lose on account of that. Knowing that, I would never run in the first place. Trump is willing to compromise more. Democrats, of course, favor all abortion, all the time, and don't think that selling baby body parts is bad. So, Democrats are out. Republicans are out in general. But Trump is in, because I agree with him.
#34. To: SOSO (#21) If the general comes down to Bow Wow Hillary and Dollar Donald I will sit this one out. I reckon you will be sitting it out. Jus Soli There has been more and more questions about the status of both Rubio and Cruz to claim themselves to be Natural Born Citizens, but alas, it would be hard for a court to find them as such. For the basis for the definition of Natural Born Citizen to the founders was based upon the old English definition of Jus Soli, which dates back two thousand or more years to the Roman empire. US birthright citizenship, under the 14th amendment, is based on Jus Soli or "Born To The Soil". Christians need to look no further than Acts chapter 22, verses 25-28 to see this concept explained in the most blunt of detail. Acts 22:25-29 ACP/KJV 25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, “Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?” 26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, “Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.” 27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, “Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.” 28 And the chief captain answered, “With a great sum obtained I this freedom.” And Paul said, “But I was free born.” 29 Then straightway they departed from him which should have examined him: and the chief captain also was afraid, after he knew that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him.
In Rome and throughout the Roman Empire, there were two distinct classes of Citizens, one, like Paul were born Roman Citizens and one that were naturalized, like the chief captain. Rubio and Cruz, unlike Barak Obama, are citizens, there is no questioning that, but neither of them qualifies as Natural Born Citizens, and what disgust me is that both know it and are making a mockery of their claims to know and abide by the Constitution. Those that criticize obama yet support either Rubio or Cruz epitomize the very definition of the word Hypocrite. Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous. #35. To: BobCeleste (#34) If the general comes down to Bow Wow Hillary and Dollar Donald I will sit this one out. Probably so as a vote for Dollar Donald is a vote for Hillary which is worse than no vote at all. In Rome and throughout the Roman Empire, there were two distinct classes of Citizens, one, like Paul were born Roman Citizens and one that were naturalized, like the chief captain." That has nothing to do with the status of either Rubio or Cruz. The Captain most likely was born a slave and likely one that was born on Roman soil. The fact that slaves, even ones born in Rome, were not considered Roman citizens has no bearing on the question of being natural born under the U.S. Constitution. You do recall that, de facto and barring very rare instances, only the noble class in Rome could become Senators? You also do recall that it took an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to acknowledge that blacks that were slaves and living in the U.S. where in fact citizens of the U.S. and that the recently freed black slaves born in the U.S. were qualified as natural born if they chose to run for POTUS? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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