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Title: Working toward relief of Viet Nam PTSD
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Published: Feb 15, 2016
Author: colby/RLK
Post Date: 2016-02-15 03:09:24 by rlk
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I have a woman friend who's husband is an ex Viet Nam war vet. He has a peculiar form of PTSD. Fifty years after the fact he still rants and raves about how solders were required to lose a hundred me taking a hill, withdraw, then two weeks lose another hundred men retaling the same hill. The loss of close to 70 thousand men makes no sense to him. He ist't muich fun to be around. He just explodes periodically obsessed by memories of something that makes no sense and he doesn't understand.

I've decided to work with him. I've given him a copy of William Colby's book "Lost Victory" with the following introductory comments by myself:

This is by William Colby. Colby was the real thing. During WWII he was parachuted behind German lines to help organize the French resistance. He later became involved in the Viet Nam war effort. He wrote a series of books, of which this is the first, increasingly leading toward his reluctant conclusion that the war sabotaged at home by home leadership. Some believe he paid for his steady, and increasingly vocal, march toward that conclusion with his life. He was fond of kyacking on the Potomac river. He was found dead under mysterious circumstances at the river that made no sense. He was really beginning to threaten the wrong people.

The most complete examination of the Viet Nam situation was written by myself and given as part of an online course in political psychology some years ago. It is 250 pages in length. If, after reading Colby’s book, you are interested , I’ll print out a copy of the course material for you.

The crux of my contention was, and still is, that McNamara was a man obsessed with proving his megalomaniacal mental superiority. By affecting an unyielding know-it-all intimidating aggressive frightening appearance and doctoring it up with a bit of statistical jargon, he created an intimidating theatrical persona that allowed him to transfix and manipulate two presidents that were good stump-speech politicians but were too mentally childish and ideologically inadequate to do their job or deal with better actors than they were. In their stupidity, they were easily impressed and taken over by McNamara’s act.

The clever con man demonstrates his superiority over victims by being able to talk them into an obviously self- destructive situation. McNamara demonstrated his mental superiority by manipulating two presidents, and thus the entire system, into a suicidal situation. The American military was sent there to lose as a demonstration of his superiority and micromanagement. In so doing, McNamara won the greatest victory possible for an actor. He brought an entire country to its knees groveling before his austere flawlessly presented subversive theatrical performance while tens of thousands of men were killed. The results of this perverse theater, both at home and abroad, were then handed to a hamstrung helpless Richard Nixon who is still blamed, by many, as the source of the problem.

Repetition of the success of various forms of McNamara’s subversive con game has become a national sport among the untalented in this country in which people announce themselves as representing intellectual superiority by developing and selling arguments contesting basic observable reality. Megalomaniacal subversion has made substantial inroads within this nation as a consequence.

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#1. To: rlk (#0)

I think we know Vietnam was a mad adverturist leftist endeavour in whaich many were injured and left to languish. a real dearth of leadership both political and military

paraclete  posted on  2016-02-15   4:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: rlk (#0) (Edited)

McNamara demonstrated his mental superiority by manipulating two presidents, and thus the entire system, into a suicidal situation.

"Mental Superiority"?????

The man was a freaking retard when it came to fighting the war in VN.

Or any other war,as far as that goes,but most specifically a guerrilla war.

Fact number 1: You do NOT fight ANY war with the goal of hurting the enemy enough to make them surrender. You might it to defeat the MoFo's so what leadership remains living has no choice but to surrender.

2:Nobody will EVER win a guerrilla war by killing guerrillas. You will guerrilla wars by killing the political leadership. Period. Preferably in a way that doesn't turn them into martyrs,but you take what you can get.

The first rule of warfare is to win the damn thing. You begin by NOT allowing the enemy to define the war. VN was a guerrilla war on the surface,but ONLY on the surface. It was known since day one the VC "guerrillas" were in reality agents of Communist North Vietnam,NOT "peasant soldiers fighting injustice". The VC core were always North Vietnamese communists that had infiltrated into South Vietnam as religious refugees from communism with the goals of setting up a guerrilla army to fight as proxies for the NVN communists in order to make it look like this was a citizens war against an oppressive SVN government. Nothing could have been further from the truth,and everybody with 2 IQ points to rub together and no political agenda (like political empire building) knew that. NVN did this because if they overtly invaded SVN with NVA soldiers in uniform in the early days,the end result would have been defeat in the south for them,and ultimately an invasion of NVN that would have resulted in death for the leadership.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

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sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-15   7:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#2)

The man was a freaking retard when it came to fighting the war in VN.

McNamara wasn't a retard any more that Obama is. He achieved his goal. Our men were sent there to lose. Just because his goal was different from your goal doesn't mean he acted stupidly in the mission to achieve it.

If you can't understand that, you're the retard and setting yourself up for manipulation by another con man.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-15   13:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: rlk (#3)

The man was a freaking retard when it came to fighting the war in VN.

McNamara wasn't a retard any more that Obama is. He achieved his goal. Our men were sent there to lose. Just because his goal was different from your goal doesn't mean he acted stupidly in the mission to achieve it.

If you can't understand that, you're the retard and setting yourself up for manipulation by another con man.

Blah,blah,blah. He was a fucking retard when it came to managing a war. Deal with it.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-15   13:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

Blah,blah,blah. He was a fucking retard when it came to managing a war. Deal with it.

He was a retard in the same way that Obama, Hillary, and Kerry were/are in producing a long term destructive condition detrimental to this country with more subversives waiting in the wings to consolidate the cause. How many times do people such as you need to get hit on the chin before you wake up?

rlk  posted on  2016-02-15   15:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: rlk (#5)

Blah,blah,blah. He was a fucking retard when it came to managing a war. Deal with it.

He was a retard in the same way that Obama, Hillary, and Kerry were/are in producing a long term destructive condition detrimental to this country with more subversives waiting in the wings to consolidate the cause. How many times do people such as you need to get hit on the chin before you wake up?

Uhhhh,I am right,so I am wrong and need to wake up?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-15   21:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#6) (Edited)

Uhhhh,I am right,so I am wrong and need to wake up?

They are managing the wars very well for their own purposes which is weakening and deterioration of this nation with confidence in the fact that blind dummys such as yourself will defend them. They aren't stupid, you are, and because of it they are winning. Continue to sleep. They'll thank you.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-16   1:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk (#7)

They are managing the wars very well for their own purposes which is weakening and deterioration of this nation with confidence in the fact that blind dummys such as yourself will defend them. They aren't stupid, you are, and because of it they are winning. Continue to sleep. They'll thank you.

Yeah,I defend them alright. That must be why I mention their dumbass wars and the way they run them to maximize profits.

You might want to call your local State Farm for Fools and reserve a room,Robert.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-16   9:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#8)

Up north we called that place the Funny Farm.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2016-02-16   10:36:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

Up north we called that place the Funny Farm.

Some guy that dressed funny used to say "A rose by any other name is still a rose."

My guess is that also applies to shithouses.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-16   11:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#8) (Edited)

That must be why I mention their dumbass wars and the way they run them to maximize profits.

Right. We lose wars on purpose to maximize profits, not to satisfy the mental quirks of critically positioned deformed leadership. If you don't learn anything else in this life, you must understand that people with neurotic or psychotic agendas can pursue them with great competence and confidence. Don't mistake the destructive nature of the agenda for incompetence in pursueing it.

The McNamaras, Clintons, and Obamas were/are all very good at leading this country into suicide.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-16   11:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: rlk (#11)

Right. We lose wars on purpose to maximize profits, not to satisfy the mental quirks of critically positioned deformed leadership.

Who,besides you is claiming we have been losing wars?

We haven't been losing them,we just haven't been winning them.

The reason for this is losing a war is as bad for unemployment and the economy as winning one is. The goal is to keep us in a perpetual state of war for reasons of profit,low unemployment numbers (political stability),and the fact that generally speaking the people of a nation on a war footing tend to support their governments.

It's a scam to keep the sheeple happy,distracted, and in line. Their game eventually fell apart in VN,so they had to back out early because of the riots and the political pressure. IMHO,JFK wanted to win,and so did Nixon. LBJ and his family made tens of millions from the war and it's extension due to Lady Birds family investments in Pacific Architects and Engineers,who basically got half or more of all the construction projects in VN for the entire length of the war,

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-16   12:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#12)

Right. We lose wars on purpose to maximize profits, not to satisfy the mental quirks of critically positioned deformed leadership.

Who,besides you is claiming we have been losing wars?

The proportion of recent crosses at military cemataries as the result of having accomplished nothing speaks for me and others.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-21   19:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: rlk (#13)

The proportion of recent crosses at military cemataries as the result of having accomplished nothing speaks for me and others.

You and they are solely responsible for your ignorance.

We didn't lose any war. Every war since WW-2 ended has been carefully managed to assure they dragged out without victory or loss for the maximum amount of time.

War is and always has been good for business.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-21   20:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#14)

The proportion of recent crosses at military cemataries as the result of having accomplished nothing speaks for me and others.

You and they are solely responsible for your ignorance.

We didn't lose any war. Every war since WW-2 ended has been carefully managed to assure they dragged out without victory or loss for the maximum amount of time.

War is and always has been good for business.

I know it had been good for subversive politicians like Obama, Hillary, and Kerry. It has been good for incompetent generals. It has been good for Marxists. It has been very good for islamic jihdists. I don't know that it been a necessity for business. I know that being a boon to business and, as such, the cause of war, is what Marxists have been feeding to dummys as part of critical theory to weaken support for this nation. Now I'm hearing it from you as one of the dummys.

A few years ago a academy award winning documentary film was made, "The Fog of War" featuring Robert McNamara. In the trailer for that film McNamara looks straight into the camera and says, "We lost!" I'll take his word over yours. I'll also take the similar reluctant conclusion of William Colby over yours.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-21   22:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rlk (#15)

A few years ago a academy award winning documentary film was made, "The Fog of War" featuring Robert McNamara. In the trailer for that film McNamara looks straight into the camera and says, "We lost!" I'll take his word over yours.

There is nothing preventing you from being a fool if that is what makes you happy.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-22   4:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#14)

We didn't lose any war.

Because you are invincible.

A Pole  posted on  2016-02-22   5:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A Pole (#17)

We didn't lose any war.

Because you are invincible.

Pretty much. The only ones that can defeat us is ourselves,and we are now well along that road.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-22   6:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#16) (Edited)

There is nothing preventing you from being a fool if that is what makes you happy.

What a thigh-slapper that is. That will really impress the other ignorant laughing yokels sitting around the cracker barrel as a substitite for rebuttal.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-22   10:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: rlk (#19)

What a thigh-slapper that is. That will really impress the other ignorant laughing yokels sitting around the cracker barrel as a substitite for rebuttal.

Which one of us is quoting McNamara as an authority,Bubba?

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-22   16:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

What a thigh-slapper that is. That will really impress the other ignorant laughing yokels sitting around the cracker barrel as a substitite for rebuttal.

Which one of us is quoting McNamara as an authority,Bubba?

McNamara's statement was correct. It wasn't an admission of subversion or failure on his part. The film goes on to infer that his consistent long term pattern of outstanding brilliance was insufficient to contest the righteousness of the enemy and he was therefore relieved of any responsibility for the defeat. Nixon said the fall of the South was the logical consequence of the American assasination of Diem. After Diem, Americans replaced him with a series of unknown people of marginal competence who were unable to lead and unite the South. One of our principle advisors, general Giap(sp), was a surrepticious general in the North Vietnamese army. Incredibly, he was a general on both sides, but working for the enemy! Giap later made the comment that he deliberately gave Americans advice that was so obviously bad and self defeating that he was surprised that they continued to take it. Even Ho Chi Minh remarked something to the effect that the assasination of Diem was incredibly foolish.

rlk  posted on  2016-02-22   18:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: rlk (#21)

Believe what you want,but McNamana was nothing more than a jackass.

ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-02-23   0:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#22)

Believe what you want,but McNamana was nothing more than a jackass.

In the common vernacular that is correct. Goldwater called him a yo yo. But h was also Secretary of Defense for nearly eight years who intimidated two weakling presidents and was known for sternly micromanaging everything during a time of war. I have another 250 pages of documentation on it. As a so-called "jackass" he was also a consummate actor put into a position of power and authority by two jackass presidents who were also actors. The result was the deaths of nearly 70,000 men for nothing.

What can I tell you that will make you happy? That you were were one of the lucky ones over there dodging bullets that managed to survive a parade of incompetence and psychotic subversion concealed beneath academy award level acting ability and psychobabble?

rlk  posted on  2016-02-23   1:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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