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Title: 7News/UMass Lowell New Hampshire tracking poll [Rubio surges]
Source: WHDH-Manchester
URL Source: http://www.whdh.com/story/31137507/ ... -hampshire-tracking-poll-day-4
Published: Feb 4, 2016
Author: Andy Hiller
Post Date: 2016-02-04 09:00:50 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 441
Comments: 15

Hiller Instinct: 7News/UMass Lowell New Hampshire tracking poll day 4

MANCHESTER, N.H. (WHDH) - It's not an earthquake, yet...But the political ground in New Hampshire is moving.

We're seeing more of Iowa's impact, and the war of words underway here.

Donald Trump stays in first, with 36%; Rubio takes over second place, with 15%. Ted Cruz, now in third, has 14%. Jeb Bush, 8%; and John Kasich 7%.

For the rest of the Republicans: Chris Christie, 5 %, Ben Carson, 4%; Carly Fiorina 3% and undecided 8%.

Our tracking poll show its all: Trump on top, but down two points-- the first time he's dropped in our poll.

Marco Rubio shoots into second place, with 15%, a gain of three points overnight.

Ted Cruz holds his support, but slips into third place.

Jeb Bush lost a point; no change for John Kasich.

In the Democratic race, Hillary Clinton can start thinking about a comeback, and Bernie Sanders is coming down.

Sanders still has a significant lead over Clinton-- 58% to 36%-- a 22 point margin.

But look at the direction of the tracks: Sanders is down three and Clinton is up four, our biggest single gain since we started this poll.

You see the trends, and so will the candidates.

They're good for Rubio and Clinton... and not very good for anyone else.

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders need to win big here, and our tracking poll shows both are losing ground right now.

This time next week, we'll know the winners.

Between now and then, this is the best way to see who's going to win.

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Poster Comment:

A video with a few more details on Hillary rising some against Sanders and other results can be viewed at WHDH's website.

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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)

"Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders need to win big here"

Oh, baloney. Here's the MSM at it again. Now if Trump wins, but doesn't win big, the MSM will announce Trump as failing.

Just as in Iowa, where they had Trump in second place. 7 days before the caucus they put Trump in first. When Trump came in second, they announced it as a huge loss.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-04   9:47:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#1)

Oh, baloney. Here's the MSM at it again. Now if Trump wins, but doesn't win big, the MSM will announce Trump as failing.

Rubio is trying to execute the classic 3-2-1 strategy. A third in IA, a second in NH, and a win in SC. That is a path to the nomination, to becoming the frontrunner and getting the backing of GOP donor class and the Beltway GOPe.

Trump has done a lot to establish in most people's minds how important these polls are. So Trump has to live and die by every tick up or down in the polls. And, face it, what else can he really talk about other than how those Cuban anchor babies can't be trusted?

The truth is that these polls are all very shaky, almost none of them have been around for even 4 years so they have no expertise or track record. And it's gotten much harder to find anyone willing to pick up the phone, maybe except for elderly shut-ins who have nothing better to do than answer the phone. And these polls find it hard to get under a 5% rate of error. The polls meant more when they could do enough polling to get down to 2% or 3% error.

Just as in Iowa, where they had Trump in second place. 7 days before the caucus they put Trump in first. When Trump came in second, they announced it as a huge loss.

This is an expectations game. Trump kept bragging up his polls, especially in Iowa. Then he underperforms his polling a bit and suddenly he looks weak, Cruz has a win and Rubio starts surging in New Hampshire.

And the press coverage is always like a horse race. You know (or think you know) who the frontrunner is and that gets boring for the pundits to talk about. What is exciting? That dark horse candidate visibly moving up on that frontrunner.

Never forget, it is always a horse race and a popularity contest and a lot of other undesirable things, as well as an exercise in the parties picking their nominees.

Any damn fool can tell you one horse is faster than another but that doesn't keep them from watching the races with great excitement.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-04   10:13:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

"Trump has done a lot to establish in most people's minds how important these polls are."

He's admitted that the only reason he announces the polls at his rallies is because he's leading in them. I'm not aware that he considers any poll "important".

I took issue with the author's statement that Trump needs to win big. No he doesn't. He needs to win, sure. But Cruz eked one out in Iowa and the press practically announced him as the Second Coming.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-04   10:27:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite, tomder55 (#4)

But Cruz eked one out in Iowa and the press practically announced him as the Second Coming.

No, it was Rubio who got the Second Coming treatment because...he overperformed his polling. He (or his staff) was savvy enough to have him ready with the attractive family to claim his near-tie for second place in Iowa with a nice short speech, all before the east coast went to bed so Rubio grabbed a lot of free publicity from the news channels and local TV news coverage. Smart play there.

And Trump barely held on to second place, underperforming his polling. So you get the pundits with "And exactly why did you fail to win Iowa despite your polling, Mr. Trump? Was it because you didn't grasp the need to build a ground organization? Did voters switch away from you because you skipped that debate?". Et cetera. The uncomfortable questions write themselves.

Smart pols always downplay their campaign to avoid this well-known pitfall. But then, Trump doesn't know what Trump doesn't know. And no one can tell him anything.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-04   10:35:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5)

"And exactly why did you fail to win Iowa despite your polling, Mr. Trump?"

If asked, he should simply say, "Which poll? The one two weeks ago that said I was in second place?

Trump doesn't run the polls. These aren't his polls. Why are you attempting to make Trump responsible for shoddy polling by someone else? Why aren't you going after the polling companies for f**king up?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-04   10:54:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6)

Why are you attempting to make Trump responsible for shoddy polling by someone else?

Trump is in control of managing (downplaying) expectations.

Why aren't you going after the polling companies for f**king up?

I constantly post about how lousy these polls really are and find articles on the topic to post here.

And if I know how lousy these 2016 polls are, why doesn't Trump? It's not a deep secret to anyone who is following politics. Look at the huge failures of polling in the Israelis and British elections. The predicted "scientific" outcome was supposedly defeat for Bibi and Cameron. Right up to the minute when they both won by a landslide.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-02-04   11:25:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#7)

Look at the huge failures of polling in the Israelis and British elections. The predicted "scientific" outcome was supposedly defeat for Bibi and Cameron. Right up to the minute when they both won by a landslide.

Perhaps the cheating is in the polling not the ballot box?

SOSO  posted on  2016-02-04   11:29:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO (#8)

"Perhaps the cheating is in the polling not the ballot box?"

If the two fail to match up, I would certainly direct my questions to the former, rather than blame the candidate for the discrepancy.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-02-04   11:46:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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