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Title: Obscene wealth
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URL Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35339475
Published: Jan 17, 2016
Author: paraclete
Post Date: 2016-01-17 23:06:56 by paraclete
Keywords: wealth, money
Views: 8412
Comments: 85
Most of us would not think of our circumstance as more than adequate while some just don't have what they need but 1% have as much as the other 99% and this has to be seen as obscene. Modern economies focus on the success of the individual ignoring opportunity for the many, but something is out of whack when this results in a small group gaining all the resources. Apparently $1 million will put you in the 1% club so we arn't necessarily speaking of the super rich although the actions of some are obscene like alledged billionaire Clive Palmer who had one of his companies make political contributions to his own political party while trying to convince government that his company was bankrupt and needed a handout. I really don't care if Donald Trump spends $2 billion in his election campaign but I do think it is obscene he has that capability. Arn't there more important things he could do with the money? Couldn't he do a Bill Gates?
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#41. To: A Pole (#38)
Life expectancy of American white males is 76.1 First of all the life expectancy at birth for a white male in the U.S. is 78.9. You are already being disingenuous, if not an outright liar. If you want to have a legitimate dialogue then stop playing games with the data sources. Second, now adjust the respective life expectancies for suicides, homicides, accidents, etc. among the respective white population in each country. Then look at life expectancy from the age of 1 and 5 year olds to try and account for the U.S. aggressiveness in pursuing at risk pregnancies. Tell me what you find. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
No, just do what any objective rational person would do and compare apples and apples. Is that too much to expect from you? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Compare the life expectancy of black men in each of these countries. Latinos. Asians.
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First of all the life expectancy at birth for a white male in the U.S. is 78.9. You are already being disingenuous, if not an outright liar. I just put the number from the first link I found. Either way the difference still apply:
You are rambling
You are rambling LMAO. You are dodging and in retreat. I have won the argument as you cannot support what you claim and can only supply bogus data. Also I note that you do not refute that you lied on the data you quoted. Shame, shame, shame, Boris. No paskha for you tonight. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Now adjust for the definition of white in each of the countries, suicides, homicides, accidents, etc. You will have credibility when you do this. BTW, what is the life expectancy at birth of a black man in Japan, Switzerland, Australia,............. Come on now, don't be a pussy. Get paraclete to help you out. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I am going to help you two out even though you do not show any real interest in learning the truth. Here is a link to U.S> life expectancy data by age for 2011. It shows that the life expectancy at birth for all males was 76.18. By age 5 the remaining life expectancy is 71.77, i.e. - to age 76.77, an increase of 0.59 years. At age 1 the increase in life expectancy is about 0.49 years Here is a link to Japan for 2011. The life expectancy at birth for All Males was 79.44, 74.71 at age 5 or 79.71. This is only an increase of 0.27 years vs. 0.49 years for the U.S. This hard objective data lends support to the statement that the U.S. is more aggressive in pursuing at risk pregnancies than Japan. Now look at the life expectancy data at age 65. For the U.S. for All Males in 2011 it was 82.66, an increase from birth of 6.48 years. For Japan it was 83.69, an increase from birth of just 4.22 years. But more significantly this is only 1 year more than the life expectancy of All U.S. Males. If a Japanese man born in 2011 lives to 75 he can expect to live to 86.43 years old, the U.S. man to 85.94, just under 0.5 years less. So, geniuses, tell me why this is......if you can. This is going to be so much fun. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Obviously the statistics improve if you take the "at risk" out of them. As you age you engage in less risky behaviour and your exposure to illness can be less because you are less exposed to the general population. you cannot avoid the conclusion that in the US males below 75 have a high risk of dying The point is you have analysed the statistics and found some important data. Those who live longer, live longer. I wonder what the statistics for the US would look like if you added back all the aborted babies and developed a statistic on survival from conception
That's easy to document so please do so. HINT: Look up survivability or survivorship data. I will get you started. In 2010 in Japan the survivability of All Males to age 65 was 87.0%, age 70 was 71.%, to age 90 was 21.5%. Just go find out what it was for the U.S. and tell me what you find. "Obviously the statistics improve if you take the "at risk" out of them." By the way this is a nonsense answer as it doesn't explain why the U.S> continues to improve at a faster rate than Japan. Thanks for playing but try again. I knew this was going to be fun. But I expect it will very soon become boring like pulling the wings off of flies. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Please document you data sources. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You can do any comparisons you want at http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/compare-countries/ but first you need to define what you mean by coloured and what percentage you are talking about
http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/compare-countries/ but first you need to define what you mean by coloured and what percentage you are talking about You can do any comparisons you want at http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/compare-countries/ but first you need to define what you mean by coloured and what percentage you are talking about You made the claim that blacks do well re: life expectancy in your country. I asked you for the data that supports your claim. Where is it? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
you want to know about the life expectancy of blacks in my country they live fewer years than whites. This is because they booze, they don't exercise and generally they live in remote places. You can't cure human nature but if they get involved they do as well as anyone. The issues here are the same as anywhere else, opportunity; we are not in the business of creaating non existant jobs and we note you arn't either. one of our enterpreneirs tried to greate 50,000 indigenous jobs, he failed. The indigenous (black) people just wern't there. What it comes down to is attitude, it always comes downn to attitude and that applies to both sides of the argument. It will take many generations to change their attitude. Your blacks have had those generations, mine have not but then maybe not
you want to know about the life expectancy of blacks in my country they live fewer years than whites. I would like the hard data please. What is the source of your information? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I have already given you one source you can do your own research, start by researching Neville Bonner, Charlie Perkins here is a link http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/famous-aboriginal- people-role-models#toc0
I’m sorry, I cannot find this page Either we have moved the page or the link you clicked on was wrong. Source: http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/famous-aboriginal- people-role-models#ixzz3xp3g6Wpn First, the link doesn't work. I get the following message: " I’m sorry, I cannot find this page. Either we have moved the page or the link you clicked on was wrong." Second, this doesn't appear to be a link to official demographic data. Nor do I know to what country you are referring. You claim that you definitively determined that the life expectancy of blacks in your country was just a few months less than whites in your country. Is the link you provided (which doesn't work) the source of that information or did you get the data form some other source? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/compare-countries/ That is not true. For example, there is no data for the life expectancy of blacks for any country. Why are you giving non-responsive references to support your claim about the life expectancy of blacks in your country? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
where do you get this bullshit from? In this counrty these things are researched and known so that appropriate medical and other resources can be provided. That site I provided the link for would have given you data but here is some from another source Life expectancy of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people "For the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population born in 2010–2012, life expectancy was estimated to be 10.6 years lower than that of the non- Indigenous population for males (69.1 years compared with 79.7) and 9.5 years for females (73.7 compared with 83.1). Between 2005–2007 and 2010–2012, Indigenous life expectancy at birth for boys increased by 1.6 years and by 0.6 years for girls. Over the same period, the gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous life expectancy narrowed by 0.8 years for males and 0.1 years for females." as would be expected the situation is worse in the United States http://www.businessinsider.com.au/huge-racial-gap-in-life-expectancy-2014-1
It does not now.....period. "Life expectancy of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people "For the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population born in 2010–2012, life expectancy was estimated to be 10.6 years lower than that of the non- Indigenous population for males (69.1 years compared with 79.7) and 9.5 years for females (73.7 compared with 83.1). " So how do you come to claim that the life expectancy of blacks in your country is just a few months less than none blacks? Are you claiming that the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are classified as some thing other than black. Here is the link to the 2011 study entitled "Comparing life expectancy of indigenous people in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States". It clearly shows that not only is the life expectancy of indigenous people in Australia way, way lower than the general population it is way, way, way lower than that of indigenous people in Canada and the U.S. (see page 19). New Zealand does better than Australia but still much worse than the U.S. and Canada. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I never said it was a few months less I said it was lower, which it is. This is in the hands of the black people themselves, lifestyle changes are needed. We take no responsibility for white people who booze themselves into an early grave why should we take responsibility for black people. I'm sick of this black people are special nonsense.We used to think they were part of the fauna, maybe we weren't so wrong afterall. Various ethnic groups have different life expectancies, that is how it is. Environmental factors play a part, but they do for everyoneelse too. I've seen the statistics on expectancy of blacks in america, it is way lower than blacks in Australia and these people are supposed to be living in a more highly developed society. let's take some of you smart white people back to the stone age and see how long you survive. I give you a week at best
Are you saying that blacks are not American, or less human? And if you discount blacks, why don't you discount Latinos who are numerous and who live longer than whites?
Yes, it seems that Australia is "a more highly developed society". I suspect that less racist too.
There you have it, the race card. no one said that but you are suggesting that by examining the subsets of statistics we are being racist. Demographic statistics are developed so we can understand and respond to populations because they all have different needs. Some need greater emphasis on health others on employment or education. It is important to know what populations live in poverty. When someone says, look there is a problem here it is not racist just because race is a factor. Look if we say that there is poverty in a region populated by blacks, we might examine the existance of paved roads and how that impacts on their ability to get work, we might examine the availability of potable water and how that impacts their health. We won't ask these questions in the city, we might be interested in the incidence of crime among various populations or the availability of employment and the skills of the population. If you find for example that a certain population has a lower education level and a lower level of employment you might conclude this is a factor which can be redressed
Are you saying that blacks are not American, or less human? F*CK you, you incredible asshole. You prove that you are nothing but a mindless shill not worthy of sh*tting on. Piss off, turd. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Here is what you posted: #40. To: A Pole, Soso (#38) (Edited) therefore you cannot compare the raw unadjusted data for say a country with a black 13% population with that of a country with just 2% black population. many countries have black or coloured populations and they do well on the various indecies. my own nation has 4.5% black population who insist on dying early but our survivial rate averages over 80 years. These people fill our prisions just like they do yours but our crime rate is much lower than the US. The important thing is with statistic there are subsets of the data and maybe you can make comparisons which give understanding as to why a particular population behaves the way they do, but we can still say there is a problem here, these people exhibit a high standard of living but much greater social problems and we know the answer because the elephant is in the room, races don't play well together, concentrations of people of a particular race generate their own problems, but more than that there si a certain ethos of discrimination which is yet to be overcome paraclete posted on 2016-01-19 18:22:50 ET I will ask you again to provide references that document your claim. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I ask you again to document the source of your claim. If you are claiming that the Aborigines are the blacks to whom you reference then the 2011 reference I gave you clearly shows quite the opposite, i.e. they do much, much worse than blacks in the U.S. If are not talking about the indigenous people but blacks as a different group of people in Australia please document the source of your data. This is a very simple request that you are having quite a bit of difficulty answering. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
American blacks sure as hell act less human. Ten thousand years of black culture in Africa hasn't produced an iota of progress. Why?
There you have it, the race card. He can be the poster child for the prototype DRat leftist, socialist mindless brainwashed minion. He cannot defend what he claims. He cannot respond to facts put before him. He accuses others of what he does. When he forced to face the fallacies of his position he plays the race card. I really loathe people like this. They do not have an ounce of honesty or integrity in their miserable existence. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
same reason 1,400 years of Islam hasn't produced one iota of progress
There you have it, the race card. I apologize for miscommunication. It was not directed to you, but to SOSO. To you was only a ping. He is using a reverse racist card, in a racist. In 1850, he would argue that Americans in the South are more affluent than some prosperous contry, because black slaves are lowering the average. Race is always on his tongue. By his logic Haiti is more prosperous than USA because a small white minority there is possibly more affluent than average American, and as you know you the blacks do not count. Hell, the whole sub-Saharan Africa is like that! I do not play racist card, but I do not like when my fellow human beings are dissed. I should have detected his eristical trap from the start.
You are brainwashed in the same degree as these "minions". If I have to chose between Socialism and Fascism, I will go with the first.
People in northern Europe were quite primitive (by your standards) for thousands of years, before they got civilized (not completely yet) by the darker people from Italy and Greece, some from Africa. Why? And American Indians, whose land you took, were not less primitive for thousands of years. Why? Because they were racially inferior?
You seem to have difficulty understanding that indigenous australians are, for the most part, black in skin colour. There are other dark people here, somali's and other african but they are few. I was not refering to them. Mixed race people are not necessarily dark. There are many people here who have dark tones to the skin, indians, arabs, turks and such like, my skin turns dark in the summer sun if I am stupid enough to go out in it. I don't know what you are trying to prove, we understand that indigenous people have a lower life expectancy and we are working to close the gap on many fronts, what are they doing in your nation to close the gap in expectancy for your black people who are, I expect, negroid? The statistics I have seen suggest taht a black in the US has an expectancy of 67 years whereas an indigenous person in Australia has an expectancy of 69 years. It used to be much worse but then so were your statistics use the references I have given you
First and foremost is that the published raw life expectancy data for each country are very ill defined numbers that lack sufficient specificity to afford rational analysis. Second is that there are inherent differences in life expectancy among the races in each and every country - the differences may be due to social factors, genetic factors, political factors, cultural factors, religious factors, or all of the above but they are very real AND vary from country to country. Third is that in order to make a rational and valid comparisons the raw life expectancy data must be normalized for at least differences in demographics and causes of death (including causes such as suicides, homicides, accidents). Fourth is that demographic data for EACH country that is required to normalize the life expectancy data is virtually non-existent, at least from publically available sources. Most countries, especially Western European countries, simply do not even report their respective population demographics by race, much less the life expectancy. For example, you cannot find data on the life expectancy of blacks in France, or Latinos or Asians (then go try Norway etc.). Even in your country you can only point to one published study in 2011 that reports on the life expectancy of "indigenous" people. Fifth is that when someone mindlessly tries to use raw life expectancy data to make a point about comparative efficacy of a country's medical system they not only reveal their ignorance but very, very likely their political bias. Sixth is that as A Pole shows one cannot have a rational dialogue on the subject because as soon as you reveal one's ignorance and biases on the subject they will play the race card. Got it? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
It was you who brought the issue of race and was harping on it. You say that without detailed racial analysis you cannot establish the fact that American life expectancy is not on the top. Your presumption is that is you remove blacks from the picture, America would be on top, but you yourself say that there are not enough data. So you contradict yourself. Curiously enough you do not insist on excluding Latinos who live longer than whites. BTW, you were given comparison of the average life expectancy of the white people in America with that (INCLUDING all races) in other developed countries, and still you are not on top.
F*ck off you lying asshole.
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You are vulgar and uncouth. So are your opinions.
You are an incredibly ignorant, foul minded, mean spirited brainwashed asshole. F*ck off, turd.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestherefore you cannot compare the raw unadjusted data for say a country with a black 13% population with that of a country with just 2% black population.
#42. To: paraclete (#39)
You mean massage the data until you become number 1.
#43. To: A Pole (#38)
#44. To: SOSO (#41)
"Life expectancy of American white males is 76.1"
country males
Japan 80
Spain 80
Andorra 79
Australia 80
Switzerland 81
Italy 80
Singapore 81
San Marino 83
Canada 80
Cyprus 80
France 79
#45. To: SOSO (#43)
Compare the life expectancy of black men in each of these countries. Latinos. Asians.
#46. To: A Pole (#45)
Compare the life expectancy of black men in each of these countries. Latinos. Asians.
#47. To: A Pole, paraclete (#44)
I just put the number from the first link I found. Either way the difference still apply:
#48. To: A Pole, paraclete, All (#47)
#49. To: SOSO (#48)
So, geniuses, tell me why this is......if you can. This is going to be so much fun.
#50. To: paraclete (#49)
Obviously the statistics improve if you take the "at risk" out of them. As you age you engage in less risky behaviour and your exposure to illness can be less because you are less exposed to the general population. you cannot avoid the conclusion that in the US males below 75 have a high risk of dying
#51. To: paraclete (#40)
many countries have black or coloured populations and they do well on the various indecies.
#52. To: SOSO (#51)
Please document you data sources.
#53. To: paraclete (#52)
You can do any comparisons you want at
#54. To: SOSO (#53)
(Edited)
You made the claim that blacks do well re: life expectancy in your country
#55. To: paraclete (#54)
You made the claim that blacks do well re: life expectancy in your country
#56. To: SOSO (#55)
What is the source of your information?
#57. To: paraclete (#56)
#58. To: paraclete (#52)
You can do any comparisons you want at
#59. To: SOSO (#58)
(Edited)
there is no data for the life expectancy of blacks for any country.
#60. To: paraclete (#59)
That site I provided the link for would have given you data but here is some from another source
#61. To: SOSO (#60)
(Edited)
Are you claiming that the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are classified as some thing other than black.
#62. To: SOSO, paraclete (#60)
life expectancy of blacks
#63. To: paraclete, SOSO (#61)
I've seen the statistics on expectancy of blacks in america, it is way lower than blacks in Australia and these people are supposed to be living in a more highly developed society.
#64. To: A Pole (#62)
Are you saying that blacks are not American, or less human?
#65. To: A Pole (#62)
life expectancy of blacks
#66. To: paraclete (#61)
I never said it was a few months less I said it was lower, which it is.
#67. To: paraclete (#61)
I've seen the statistics on expectancy of blacks in america, it is way lower than blacks in Australia and these people are supposed to be living in a more highly developed society.
#68. To: A Pole (#62)
Are you saying that blacks are not American, or less human?
#69. To: paraclete, A Pole (#64)
Are you saying that blacks are not American, or less human?
#70. To: rlk (#68)
Ten thousand years of black culture in Africa hasn't produced an iota of progress. Why?
#71. To: paraclete (#64)
"Are you saying that blacks are not American, or less human?"
#72. To: SOSO (#69)
He can be the poster child for the prototype DRat leftist, socialist mindless brainwashed minion.
#73. To: rlk (#68)
American blacks sure as hell act less human. Ten thousand years of black culture in Africa hasn't produced an iota of progress. Why?
#74. To: SOSO (#67)
(Edited)
This is a very simple request that you are having quite a bit of difficulty answering.
#75. To: paraclete, A Pole (#74)
I don't know what you are trying to prove,
#76. To: SOSO (#75)
A Pole shows one cannot have a rational dialogue on the subject because as soon as you reveal one's ignorance and biases on the subject they will play the race card.
#77. To: A Pole (#76)
#78. To: SOSO (#77)
F*ck off you lying asshole.
#79. To: A Pole (#78)
#80. To: SOSO (#79)
You are an incredibly ignorant, foul minded, mean spirited brainwashed asshole.
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