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politics and politicians Title: Obscene wealth Most of us would not think of our circumstance as more than adequate while some just don't have what they need but 1% have as much as the other 99% and this has to be seen as obscene. Modern economies focus on the success of the individual ignoring opportunity for the many, but something is out of whack when this results in a small group gaining all the resources. Apparently $1 million will put you in the 1% club so we arn't necessarily speaking of the super rich although the actions of some are obscene like alledged billionaire Clive Palmer who had one of his companies make political contributions to his own political party while trying to convince government that his company was bankrupt and needed a handout. I really don't care if Donald Trump spends $2 billion in his election campaign but I do think it is obscene he has that capability. Arn't there more important things he could do with the money? Couldn't he do a Bill Gates? Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 57. #2. To: paraclete (#0) (Edited) Arn't there more important things he could do with the money? Couldn't he do a Bill Gates? How much do you think you know about Bill Gates and his background? On another suject, I have no objection to people who obtain wealth by building new industries. It benefits all of us. Have you done anything with your life except resent and complain about those who have? What I do object to is people who use political means to consolidate and perpetuate their do-nothing inherited positions.
#3. To: rlk (#2) Have you done anything with your life except resent and complain about those who have? Yes my life has been very productive. What you fail to realise is that a life built on gaining wealth at the expense of other people is not something to be applauded. I used Gates as an example of someone who obviously realised he needed to share his wealth.
#11. To: paraclete, All (#3) What you fail to realize is that a life built on gaining wealth at the expense of other people is not something to be applauded. What you don't realize of that you are a victim of the left's meme of economic and financial gains are a zero sum game, i.e. - I can only earn a dollar at the expense of someone losing it. This is pure BS. To be sure there are those that lie, cheat and steal. There are those that bribe politicians to make laws that benefit their pocketbook, usually at the expense of others. But who really is at blame here, the one that bribes or the ones that accept the bribe? Or the ones that continually elect those that accept the bribes? Like Clinton before him, Obama will leave office are very, very rich man. They were not remotely so when they took office. The same is true form most elected officials in DC. You are a sucker for their scam.
#13. To: SOSO (#11) What you don't realize of that you are a victim of the left's meme of economic and financial gains are a zero sum game, i.e. - I can only earn a dollar at the expense of someone losing it. This is pure BS. True, it is not a zero sum game. When the wealth concentrate and wages stagnate or go down, the economic pie contracts and stagnates. Like in old Egypt or India, or American South, where Job Creators had it all. The sum can be negative.
#14. To: A Pole (#13) The sum can be negative. It is definitely possible for the economic pie to shrink, the USSR for example proved that. But in the U.S. the economy has consistently grown with just about all sharing in some to degree.
#16. To: SOSO (#14) (Edited) It is definitely possible for the economic pie to shrink, the USSR for example proved that Soviet economy was growing until Free Market reforms and country falling apart under Yeltsin.
But in the U.S. the economy has consistently grown with just about all sharing in some to degree. Especially during the Great Depression.
#17. To: A Pole (#16) It is definitely possible for the economic pie to shrink, the USSR for example proved that Not for the average Boris. "But in the U.S. the economy has consistently grown with just about all sharing in some to degree. Especially during the Great Depression. And? Every economy has down cycles. FYI the upper class was hit much more hard than the rest of the country during the Great Depression both in relative and absolute terms. What we are talking about is the economic well being of ALL of a country's citizens. You obviously think that the USSR did very well by all of its people since is inception in the 1920s. Can I have some of what you are smoking? No country in history has developed as robust, broad and deep economically well off middle class than the U.S. Even the bottom rung of the U.S. economy enjoy a standard of living higher than the middle class of most countries in the world, and batter than the upper class of several.
#22. To: SOSO (#17) No country in history has developed as robust, broad and deep economically well off middle class than the U.S. Thanks to FDR and New Deal, earlier to some extent to the plentiful land taken from Indians. Now this advantage is evaporating.
Even the bottom rung of the U.S. economy enjoy a standard of living higher than the middle class of most countries in the world, I am curious, how do you measure standard of living? Discretionary income, freedom from debt, leisure time, happy stable families, number of TVs and cars per family, life expectancy, secure jobs, medical care, equal access to justice, culture like number of books read per year, foreign travel, meat, fish and fruits consumed per year?
#25. To: A Pole (#22) No country in history has developed as robust, broad and deep economically well off middle class than the U.S. Absolute BS. Thanks goes to Hitler and ToJo. It was WWII that catapulted the U.S. economy and expanded and deepened the middle. The New Deal did little to improve unemployment in the U.S. thru the 1930s. I am curious, how do you measure standard of living? Discretionary income, freedom from debt, leisure time, happy stable families, number of TVs and cars per family, life expectancy, secure jobs, medical care, equal access to justice, culture like number of books read per year, foreign travel, meat, fish and fruits consumed per year?" Yes.
#28. To: SOSO (#25) "I am curious, how do you measure standard of living? Discretionary income, freedom from debt, leisure time, happy stable families, number of TVs and cars per family, life expectancy, secure jobs, medical care, equal access to justice, culture like number of books read per year, foreign travel, meat, fish and fruits consumed per year?" Yes what? Life expectancy - position 34th. Leisure/vacation time? Divorce rate? Incarceration rate? Indebtedness?
#31. To: A Pole (#28) Life expectancy - position 34th. Another total BS stat. Learn something instead of being a total dupe that buys into all the propaganda BS you are fed. Take the time to adjust the life expectancy data to the real world by putting the data on an equal footing, i.e. - same basis. You need to adjust the data for each country to reflect a common demographic of gender, race, aggressiveness in pursuing difficult pregnancies to term, suicide, accidents, etc. When to do that you get an ENTIRELY different picture of the true comparative state of health care among countries. And guess what, Boris, the U.S. is at the top tier of the list. You are a chump sucker little sheep that doesn't have the balls or intellectual integrity to investigate for your self.
#33. To: SOSO (#31) You need to adjust the data for each country to reflect a common demographic of gender, race, aggressiveness in pursuing difficult pregnancies to term, suicide, accidents, etc. When to do that you get an ENTIRELY different picture of the true comparative state of health care among countries. And guess what, Boris, the U.S. is at the top tier of the list. You are a chump sucker little sheep that doesn't have the balls or intellectual integrity to investigate for your self. Show me. Show how you take into account all these factors and how you come on top. I suspect that you assume superiority from the start and adjust facts and interpretations to fit to this fixed "truth". But I am open to the compelling reasoning. I have no stake in accepting that Americans or Swiss or Japanese are on top. I will gladly learn about it.
#37. To: A Pole (#33) I suspect that you assume superiority from the start and adjust facts and interpretations to fit to this fixed "truth". But I am open to the compelling reasoning. I have no stake in accepting that Americans or Swiss or Japanese are on top. I will gladly learn about it. OK, I will take you at your word. Here's how you would go about this. First understand that most countries do not publish health and demographic data in the detail that you will need to do the adjustments as the U.S. does. The first thing you look for is the life expectancy data for a country by demographics, i.e. - gender, race, etc.. It is a well documented fact that blacks in just about every western European country and most other places have a shorter life expectancy than the white population in that country and usually shorter than latinos in that country. Therefore you cannot compare the raw unadjusted data for say a country with a black 13% population with that of a country with just 2% black population. You must put the two on an equal demographic basis by adjusting the reported life expectancy to reflect the same percentage of blacks. In other words, if you adjust the overall life expectancy of country with 13% blacks down to 2% blacks the life expectancy for that country will rise (conversely of you adjust the country with 2% blacks up to 13% its overall life expectancy will drop). You do the same for the percentage of women in each country (women almost always have a higher life expectancy in developed countries than men), latinos, suicides, accidents, etc. That is the only way that you can get a meaningful comparison. And there is always one huge factor for which there is no data (and therefoer no adjustment can be made) but none-the-less is very real. Any honest physician in the world will tell you that the U.S. medical system is much more aggressive in bringing at risk pregnancies to term than just about any other place on Earth. As a result the reported infant mortality rate in the U.S. is higher by comparison with those countries that do not as aggressively pursue at risk pregnancies. What I just told you are verifiable unbiased facts. Given your level of brain washing and lack of capacity for critical self thinking I do not expect you to accept the truth. You can simply wish reality away as you are want to do but it doesn't change the reality.
#38. To: SOSO (#37) herefore you cannot compare the raw unadjusted data for say a country with a black 13% population with that of a country with just 2% black population. Life expectancy of American white males is 76.1 www.worldlifeexpectancy.c...ife-expectancy-white-male Several countries are ahead in life expectancy for males, (sort by males): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis...ntries_by_life_expectancy country males Japan 80 Spain 80 Andorra 79 Australia 80 Switzerland 81 Italy 80 Singapore 81 San Marino 83 Canada 80 Cyprus 80 France 79 [...] Lebanon 78 [...] Costa Rica 77
#40. To: A Pole, Soso (#38) (Edited) therefore you cannot compare the raw unadjusted data for say a country with a black 13% population with that of a country with just 2% black population. many countries have black or coloured populations and they do well on the various indecies. my own nation has 4.5% black population who insist on dying early but our survivial rate averages over 80 years. These people fill our prisions just like they do yours but our crime rate is much lower than the US. The important thing is with statistic there are subsets of the data and maybe you can make comparisons which give understanding as to why a particular population behaves the way they do, but we can still say there is a problem here, these people exhibit a high standard of living but much greater social problems and we know the answer because the elephant is in the room, races don't play well together, concentrations of people of a particular race generate their own problems, but more than that there si a certain ethos of discrimination which is yet to be overcome
#51. To: paraclete (#40) many countries have black or coloured populations and they do well on the various indecies. Please document you data sources.
#52. To: SOSO (#51) Please document you data sources. You can do any comparisons you want at http://www.theglobaleconomy.com/compare-countries/ but first you need to define what you mean by coloured and what percentage you are talking about
#53. To: paraclete (#52) You can do any comparisons you want at You made the claim that blacks do well re: life expectancy in your country. I asked you for the data that supports your claim. Where is it?
#54. To: SOSO (#53) (Edited) You made the claim that blacks do well re: life expectancy in your country you want to know about the life expectancy of blacks in my country they live fewer years than whites. This is because they booze, they don't exercise and generally they live in remote places. You can't cure human nature but if they get involved they do as well as anyone. The issues here are the same as anywhere else, opportunity; we are not in the business of creaating non existant jobs and we note you arn't either. one of our enterpreneirs tried to greate 50,000 indigenous jobs, he failed. The indigenous (black) people just wern't there. What it comes down to is attitude, it always comes downn to attitude and that applies to both sides of the argument. It will take many generations to change their attitude. Your blacks have had those generations, mine have not but then maybe not
#55. To: paraclete (#54) You made the claim that blacks do well re: life expectancy in your country I would like the hard data please. What is the source of your information?
#56. To: SOSO (#55) What is the source of your information? I have already given you one source you can do your own research, start by researching Neville Bonner, Charlie Perkins here is a link http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/famous-aboriginal- people-role-models#toc0
#57. To: paraclete (#56)
First, the link doesn't work. I get the following message: " I’m sorry, I cannot find this page. Either we have moved the page or the link you clicked on was wrong."
Second, this doesn't appear to be a link to official demographic data. Nor do I know to what country you are referring. You claim that you definitively determined that the life expectancy of blacks in your country was just a few months less than whites in your country. Is the link you provided (which doesn't work) the source of that information or did you get the data form some other source?
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