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Title: Police May Confiscate Guns without Notice to Owner Starting January 1
Source:
breitbart.com
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/california ... tice-owner-starting-january-1/
Published: Dec 29, 2015
Author: AWR Hawkins
Post Date: 2015-12-29 20:33:17 by Stoner
Keywords: None
Views: 18624
Comments: 58
Beginning January 1, police in California may confiscate firearms from gun owners thought to be a danger to themselves or others without giving the owner any notice. This is the result of the implementation of “gun violence restraining orders” (GVROs), which go into effect New Year’s Day. According to KPCC, GVROs “could be issued without prior knowledge of the person. In other words, a judge could issue the order without ever hearing from the person in question, if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police.” And since the order can be issued without the gun owner even being present to defend him or herself, confiscation can commence without any notice to the gun owner once the order is issued. To be fair, Los Angeles Police Department Assistant Chief Michael Moore does not use the word “confiscate” when talking about confiscating firearms. Rather, Moore says, “The law gives us a vehicle to cause the person to surrender their weapons, to have a time out, if you will.” KPCC reports that “California law already bans people from possessing guns if they’ve committed a violent crime or were involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.” And now, with GVROs, California law allows judges to bar people from possessing guns even if they have not committed a violent crime or were involuntarily committed. Because of this, Gun Owners of California Executive Director Sam Paredes warns that GVROs “may create a situation where law-abiding gun owners are put in jeopardy.” This will NOT end well !
You can bet that the ones that dreamed this up, promoted it, and voted for it, will NOT be the ones in the line of fire trying to carry this out.
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#3. To: Stoner (#0)
It means there is substantive or supporting evidence that the person in possession of firearms has shown irresponsible actions about their ownership of firearms. Folks - this stuff is already written on the legal books in every state of the union. It means, "don't beat your wife or kids."
HorseHillary! What it really means is "If your wife wants to punish you,all she has to say is you beat her one time several years ago,and have threatened to do it again. You are presumed to be guilty,and punished without a trial or any actual evidence.
Naw. There has to substantive evidence in order to show legal certainty consistent with the US Constitution of and about the loss of ANY right in America. You are getting all workeddupped over nothing, Pete. Relax dude and have a doobie or the other way around, which ever comes first.
Have you ever explained that to anyone who has ever been falsy accused of child molesting?
Nope. I don't know anyone that has been a child molester. But, the state better have substantive evidence in order to convict.
They don't have to have ANY evidence RIGHT NOW to confiscate your guns. ALL it takes is an accusation by your wife or child that you are abusive and violent. Guess what you have then,if you do go to court for this later? That's right,a "history of abuse".
Are you suggesting that the jurisprudence concept of "presumption of innocence" is a vestige in the USA? Let me tell you something, Pete, don't worry your pretty head off. What you are reading is about repeat offenders or some other characteristic that requires expedient handling of restraint to avoid a danger to the community. It is considered prudent in rare cases based on substantive or otherwise supporting information beyond mere hearsay. Sorry but the justice system still presumes innocence. Your dignity, much less constitutional RIGHTS can not be taken away at any level of government entertainment unless appropriate adjudicated processes were in effect.
The California DOJ employs over sixty Special Agents whose mission it is to seize illegally owned guns from ‘prohibited persons’ in the state. (Photo credit: ABC7 News) http://www.guns.com/2014/02/07/california-mans-home-raided-guns-seized-incorrect-information-video/ Career criminals... California Attorney General Kamala Harris, confiscated guns http://www.guns.com/2011/06/20/california-agents-seize-1200-firearms-from-various-owners/
The gun owners were felons and continued their actions. PERIOD.
#35. To: buckeroo (#33)
Ok,so you are a cop. You have to be because nobody else believes that nonsense and cops HAVE to believe it to justify doing the things they do to keep their jobs.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestif there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police.
#8. To: buckeroo (#3)
Folks - this stuff is already written on the legal books in every state of the union. It means, "don't beat your wife or kids."
#24. To: sneakypete (#8)
HorseHillary! What it really means is "If your wife wants to punish you,all she has to say is you beat her one time several years ago,and have threatened to do it again. You are presumed to be guilty,and punished without a trial or any actual evidence.
#25. To: buckeroo (#24)
Naw. There has to substantive evidence in order to show legal certainty consistent with the US Constitution of and about the loss of ANY right in America.
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
#27. To: buckeroo (#26)
But, the state better have substantive evidence in order to convict.
#30. To: sneakypete (#27)
They don't have to have ANY evidence RIGHT NOW to confiscate your guns. ALL it takes is an accusation by your wife or child that you are abusive and violent.
#32. To: buckeroo (#30)
California Agents Seize 1,200 Firearms From Various Owners
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
Replies to Comment # 33. The gun owners were felons and continued their actions. PERIOD.
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