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Title: Donald Trump changes tune on wages after Bernie Sanders broadside
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Published: Dec 28, 2015
Author: Colin Campbell
Post Date: 2015-12-28 10:59:24 by sneakypete
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Views: 28412
Comments: 81
After previously saying wages were "too high," Trump instead stressed Sunday and again Monday that they were actually "too low."
"Wages in are country are too low, good jobs are too few, and people have lost faith in our leaders. We need smart and strong leadership now!" Trump tweeted Monday morning.
The apparent shift came after Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), a Democratic presidential candidate, said in a Sunday interview that his message would resonate among Trump's working-class supporters.
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Ya gotta admire the stongly-held beliefs and sincerity of The Donald,don't you?
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How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for?
Like Ayn Rand (two packs a day) when she went on welfare to pay for her lung cancer surgery.
#43. To: sneakypete (#40)
How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for? Say what?
That is just pointing out a FAXT.
You said no on edisabled is taking any money.
I just pointed out you are wrong. I even said that I wasn't saying we shouldn't help the truly disabled.
Why did you leave that out?
Because you are not an honest person. Yes I am calling you a liar.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Nobody that paid into the SS system and retired at age 65 is getting a damn thing they didn't pay for.Yes they are. Your money is already spent. The money has to be borrowed ad paid back by future generations.
But you don't care. You only care about yourself.
Just becausae some sucker paid socxial security doesn't mean they are owed b u others in the future. People who think thaqt might say something stupid like BVernie is a conservative.
A K A Stone posted on 2015-12-28 17:54:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
You are the one doing the selfish whining because someone is getting something you aren't getting.
Which comment was that. Can you quote it?
There it is above.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#45. To: sneakypete (#41)
It has nothing to do with me or the contract I entered into
Did the young working victims that are paying your welfare sign that "contract"?
#46. To: Roscoe (#42)
Like Ayn Rand (two packs a day) when she went on welfare to pay for her lung cancer surgery.
I don't know much about her. Except that she is an atheist. So she is stupid in my view.
I think we should help the truly disabled.
I was just saying that if someone takes out more then they put in they are taking something.
#47. To: sneakypete (#44)
Nobody that paid into the SS system and retired at age 65 is getting a damn thing they didn't pay for. Yes they are. Your money is already spent. The money has to be borrowed ad paid back by future generations.But you don't care. You only care about yourself.
Just becausae some sucker paid socxial security doesn't mean they are owed b u others in the future. People who think thaqt might say something stupid like BVernie is a conservative.
A K A Stone posted on 2015-12-28 17:54:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
You are the one doing the selfish whining because someone is getting something you aren't getting.
Which comment was that. Can you quote it?
There it is above.
Pointing out that you are facxtually incorrexct is not whining.
Misrepresenting what I say is lying though.
#48. To: sneakypete (#24)
Not really. People working minimum wage jobs don't earn enough to pay taxes.
While true, slashing overall federal taxation by 30-50% would mean the overall tax burden of everyone would be reduced, and that would mean businesses would not need to charge as much for the goods and services they sell, as the tax overhead for those businesses would be reduced. The lower costs of everything across the board would mean Joe Sixpack's paycheck would go farther, potentially making it feasible to raise a family. Likely not pushing him into middle class, but possibly something at least out of poverty.
Essentially, the overall expense of the nation in funding the federal behemoth being reduced (i.e. removed the needless war tab) would mean more goods and services available for all domestically, and thus lower prices.
That was the point of my second sentence in that post.
#49. To: sneakypete (#27)
I might. What will you give me that the DRats won't?I don't plan on giving you anything.
Well, that rules you out as a viable national candidate of We The People.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#50. To: sneakypete (#0)
Ya gotta admire the stongly-held beliefs and sincerity of The Donald,don't you?
He spins some of the tallest tales or some doozy spins of yarn. His opinions (not any ACTION PLANS) reflect how America take BULLSHIT and run to the nearest poll and supggest he is America's Man of the Year by the Gallop Poll. Well, he is tied with the Pope, but I don't think that makes much of a difference.
#51. To: Pinguinite (#16)
Slashing taxes would allow a minimum wage earner to raise a family.In addition to increases his/her income, it would mean lower prices of food and necessities they buy.
Of course, "slashing" would be by the libertarian definition of the term, meaning a 30-50% cut in federal revenue, which would be highly "un-American" according to R's and D's because federal policies are more important than main street America.
+10; excellent post.
#52. To: no gnu taxes, Roscoe, sneakypete (#10)
sneaky doesn't care. He has his Gubmint $$$$BUCKS$$$ conveniently deposited into his bank account each month complete with adjusted cost of living increases.
How many free government give-aways do you have in the mailbox each and every month? You have always been "shy" about your background, troll; Pete has never been shy about his career experiences.
NGT - were you in the military? have you ever worked a day in your life without getting publick assistance?
#53. To: A K A Stone (#43)
How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for? Say what?That is just pointing out a FAXT.
You said no on edisabled is taking any money.
I just pointed out you are wrong. I even said that I wasn't saying we shouldn't help the truly disabled.
Why did you leave that out?
Because you are not an honest person. Yes I am calling you a liar.
Why not try posting while sober some time? Your recent posts remind me of Babblefish English translations.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#54. To: Roscoe (#45)
Did the young working victims that are paying your welfare sign that "contract"?
You really are a fucking idiot.
THE CONTRACT PRE-EXISTS OUR BIRTHS,you fucking retard. I didn't sign up for it any more than someone born today signed up for it. It is a government dictate.
What *I* did was play by the rules and pay into the SS INSURANCE SYSTEM every payday because the law required me to do so. After that it was the RESPONSIBILITY of the GOVERNMENT to uphold their part of the GOVERMENT MANDATED CONTRACT to uphold THEIR end of the bargain THEY established and pay out.
Just like every other insurance program in existence.
Yet you and the other jealous and selfish retards want to blame ME and the others WHO ARE GETTING WHAT THEY PAID FOR IN ADVANCE GETTING BACK OUR DUE.
If you can't deal with that,may I suggest suicide?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#55. To: A K A Stone (#47)
Misrepresenting what I say is lying though.
Even you don't know what you are saying most of the time,so how am I lying.
I'm not lying and you know I'm not lying. You just like to call me a liar because you know it pisses me off and you hope I just quit posting so you don't have to deal with my criticisms of your insanity,and you can still pretend you believe in free speech and didn't ban me.
The prime difference between you and Jim Bob is that he was a Bush Bot and you are a Trumps Trumpette.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#56. To: sneakypete (#53)
Why not try posting while sober some time? Your recent posts remind me of Babblefish English translations.
Posting while blind not drunk.
#57. To: Pinguinite (#48)
Essentially, the overall expense of the nation in funding the federal behemoth being reduced (i.e. removed the needless war tab) would mean more goods and services available for all domestically, and thus lower prices.
It could mean that IF people didn't decide to keep orices as they are so they can collect "extra profits".
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#58. To: SOSO (#49)
Well, that rules you out as a viable national candidate of We The People.
We all have our burdens to bear.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#56)
Why not try posting while sober some time? Your recent posts remind me of Babblefish English translations.Posting while blind not drunk.
My apologies.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#60. To: sneakypete (#57)
It could mean that IF people didn't decide to keep orices as they are so they can collect "extra profits".
The theory of free market supply and demand says that would not be sustainable. Certainly businesses would not lower prices until forced to do so, but an increase of supply of goods & services should force them to. Obviously, in practice, free market principles don't always run their full course due to monopolies and government regulation, and the effect is never instantaneous, but cutting the needless (war) tax burden on the whole country by a double digit percentage would have to effect the economy for the better.
#61. To: sneakypete (#54)
THE CONTRACT PRE-EXISTS OUR BIRTHS
Translation: The welfare stare pre-exists our birth. Gimme dat money!
#62. To: Pinguinite (#60)
All true.
One unintended consequence is what happens to the companies supplying the goods and services related to the war effort,as well as all the smaller companies that are sub-contractors that supply parts and material to the larger companines.
Not to mention all the workers that work in these companies. One undeniable fact is that a lot of people are going to be put out of work if we stop the war machine by actually winning a damn war instead of keeping them dragging on forever.
Not to mention all the military members who would be put on the streets if the military were downsized.
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Every action causes a reaction that has to be dealt with.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#63. To: Roscoe (#61) (Edited)
THE CONTRACT PRE-EXISTS OUR BIRTHSTranslation: The welfare stare pre-exists our birth.
Did you figure that out all by yourself,or did you have help?
BTW,if this disturbs you this much,you DO understand that even though you have no choice but to contribute to the system,there is nothing requiring YOU to get paid from it,right?
All you have to do is never apply to SS if you ever become disabled or turn 65. Stand on your high moral ground and refuse to take the money.
Can we get a pledge from you today that you will stand on your convictions and ever receive even a dime of SS money or benefits?
If not,STFU about it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#64. To: sneakypete (#63)
It didn't take much to expose your love of the welfare state. Or at least the trough you're feeding at.
#65. To: Roscoe (#64)
It didn't take much to expose your love of the welfare state. Or at least the trough you're feeding at.
It takes less to expose your stupidity and hypocrisy.
Take the pledge or STFU.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#66. To: sneakypete (#65)
Are you drunk?
#67. To: Roscoe (#13)
And so the world is more than black and white.
No, the world is green, brown and blue. People who speak of it as black or white are simpleminded, who forget to use the cones in their eyes and pretend they just have rods.
Government, private industry, individual effort - these are all forces. They are not perforce enemies of each other. None of them can do all that needs to be done for people to live reasonably good lives.
#68. To: Roscoe (#9)
" Are falling American wages too low to maintain our traditional prior to free trade standards of living? "
I think it is noteworthy that prior to adopting "Free Trade", there were plenty of jobs in the U.S.A., everyone had a job that wanted one, and everyone had a good standard of living. The only jobs then that would be considered "minimum wage" were jobs taken by high school kids, like working in grocery stores, gas stations, etc.
In general, things were much better then.
Free Trade sucks.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
#69. To: Stoner (#68)
The only jobs then that would be considered "minimum wage" were jobs taken by high school kids, like working in grocery stores, gas stations, etc.
Exactly. Minimum wage was never intended to be a livable income for an adult. It was for "starter jobs" for kids so they could get some work experience out in the real world before they applied for "real" jobs.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#70. To: Stoner (#68)
Free Trade sucks.
Amen. Living beyond your means was once frowned upon, today it is celebrated as good economics.
Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
#71. To: sneakypete (#69)
" Exactly. Minimum wage was never intended to be a livable income for an adult. It was for "starter jobs" for kids so they could get some work experience out in the real world before they applied for "real" jobs. "
Yep. The problem is that back in those days, PFT (pre free trade) we still had all of our industry ( and associated good paying "real" jobs ). So when kids got out of school, they could go still find good jobs, or industries where they could work their way up.
Today, the idiots have exported all of our industries, and the associated good paying jobs, so now there are few opportunities. And surprise, surprise, the only thing left is minimum wage jobs. Granted, to be sure, there are a few jobs that have not been exported. Like a refinery a couple counties from me. But, like everywhere else, they have downsized, and openings are very rare.
I guess all the BS that if we adopted free trade, we could all have cheap junk, and we would all become computer wizards, rocket scientists, and brain surgeons, and would all live in heavenly bliss, was just a pile of BS.
FREE TRADE SUCKS, and all those that promoted it are ASSHOLES !!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
#72. To: nativist nationalist (#70)
Living beyond your means was once frowned upon, today it is celebrated as good economics.
Good economics for bankers and manufacturers,but not so much for consumers.
If you tell people today the simple truth that "How much money you make is not as important as how much money it takes for you to live." you mostly get blank stares and "Huh"?
I turned down a offer of $22,000 cash for one of the cars sitting in my shop that I don't even drive because the engine and transmission are out of it now,and everybody that knows about it has told me I am crazy when I tell them "I like the car and I don't need the money,so why WOULD I want to sell it?"
They all say some version of "To get the money to buy something else.",and I get more blank looks when I tell them I don't really feel the need to buy something else,so why bother selling it? I tell them "If I did sell it,then I wouldn't have a 32 Ford coupe,and would have to turn around and pay more money to buy another one."
Nobody seems to understand being satisfied with what you already have.
Then again,most of them have probably never been homeless and had to sell blood to get the money to eat,either. That's the sort of thing that gives you an appreciation for the basics in life,and an understanding of the words "essential" and "enough". Not to mention the meaning of the word "extra".
Those people will never be happy in life because there will always be somebody that has something newer,nicer,and more expensive than anything they have.
It sure would have been nice to have been this comfortable when I was in my 20's and 30's,though.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#73. To: Stoner (#71)
I guess all the BS that if we adopted free trade, we could all have cheap junk
That much is true,but why do people want cheap junk? I have never understood that concept.
we would all become computer wizards, rocket scientists, and brain surgeons, and would all live in heavenly bliss, was just a pile of BS.
Unless your kid is brilliant and driven to work in one of those fields,the wise thing to do is send them to a 2 to 4 year school to learn skilled trades like plumbing,heating and air conditioning,carpentry,electrician,etc,etc,etc. I know people personally in some of these trades that are pulling in more than 150 grand a year,and working by themselves doing the little jobs the big companies won't take on. Most "youts" of today have no interest in doing those jobs because of the blue collar status,and because they think they are too smart to do physical work.
Hell,the typical parts replacer (I hesitate to call them mechanics)at a new car dealership is pulling in 75 to 100 grand a year working 40 hours a week and doesn't even really have to know anything anymore other than how to take stuff apart and install new parts. The cars and trucks of today hook into master computers that tell you what's wrong with the car,the parts numbers you need to fix it,and even what steps to take to fix it. The only drawback there is the competition for some of these jobs is pretty stiff in certain areas,but not always. The son of a friend of mine just graduated from a 2 year mechanics course in Ca,and was hired right out of school to work at a BMW dealership. Right now he is going to a BMW school in New Jersey to learn their cars and their systems,and then they will place him in a dealership. Ever seen a mechanic from a BMW dealership standing in line for Food Stamps?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#74. To: sneakypete (#73)
When I was young and dumb and drove a Porsche, it cost $200 to look under the hood - and this was 30 years ago.
#75. To: sneakypete (#72)
I turned down a offer of $22,000 cash for one of the cars sitting in my shop that I don't even drive because the engine and transmission are out of it now,and everybody that knows about it has told me I am crazy when I tell them "I like the car and I don't need the money,so why WOULD I want to sell it?"They all say some version of "To get the money to buy something else.",and I get more blank looks when I tell them I don't really feel the need to buy something else,so why bother selling it? I tell them "If I did sell it,then I wouldn't have a 32 Ford coupe, and would have to turn around and pay more money to buy another one."
Figure the 32 Ford coupe is an appreciating asset in the long run, and your labor is adding value to it. Most of the things you buy once you sold it would depreciate in value, so you'd be trading away an appreciating asset for one that depreciates.
Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
#76. To: sneakypete (#0) (Edited)
Donald Trump changes tune on wages after Bernie Sanders broadside
If this is the best that Trump can do as a rebuttal, he is sorely lacking and it worries me! I'm disturbed that we might get stuck with another fence-straddling mealy mouthed dud in trump. Give me indication of something to rely on and some commitment.
#77. To: sneakypete (#73)
" why do people want cheap junk? "
Well, I did not mean that literally. I just used that as an expression. those that touted Free Trade were saying all of our product purchases would be cheaper. Things like TV's, stereos, refrigerators, furniture, appliances, etc, etc.
What you said about career choices is true. Today, I think most would be MUCH better off getting training in plumbing, electrician, etc like you said.
My son graduated last year. He got his degree in Engineering Technology, with a lot of emphasis in computers. He got a job with Mitsubishi Electric, basically doing maintenance on their line equipment. His buddies that wanted to do coding, etc are still looking for jobs. No go.
My son is not making the kind of money you are talking about, but he is doing well, especially for the area he is in, and he is happy. He has very good potential for promotion. He rents his own place, and is only an hour drive away, and not on the other side of the country. That makes me & mama happy.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
#78. To: Fred Mertz (#74)
When I was young and dumb and drove a Porsche, it cost $200 to look under the hood - and this was 30 years ago.
I don't know how much it is now,but I'd be willing to bet it ain't cheaper.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#79. To: rlk (#76)
Give me indication of something to rely on and some commitment.
Nothing would please me more than to be able to name a candidate like that,but Barry Goldwater died decades ago,and not soon enough for the alleged Republican establishment.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#80. To: nativist nationalist (#75)
Figure the 32 Ford coupe is an appreciating asset in the long run, and your labor is adding value to it.
And in the end,the reality is money is only money. It has no loyalty and it's only useful for buying things.
My 32 coupe is for all practical purposes not worth anything to me because it will probably never get sold until it hits my estate sale. Same as my 34 Ford pu,51 Ford coupe,38 Ford tudor,33 Plymouth coupe,and 42 Dodge coupe. I bought them because I like them and I like working on them and I like driving them. Working on them gives me an excuse to buy tools,and repairing/modifying them gives me something to do with my hands. Win/win for me.
I don't regret a dime I spent on any of them,and don't give a damn if I never get a dime back. I leave my 2015 truck in the driveway most days and currently drive my 51 Ford around. When I get tired of driving that one around,I'll put license tags on my 31 Plymouth coupe and drive it around,or maybe drive my 37 Dodge or 39 IHC pu around.
My new truck is for driving when it's raining or the weather is bad. It's a tool,nothing more.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#81. To: sneakypete (#80)
Sounds like you have some sweet toys !
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
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