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Title: Donald Trump changes tune on wages after Bernie Sanders broadside
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Published: Dec 28, 2015
Author: Colin Campbell
Post Date: 2015-12-28 10:59:24 by sneakypete
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After previously saying wages were "too high," Trump instead stressed Sunday and again Monday that they were actually "too low." "Wages in are country are too low, good jobs are too few, and people have lost faith in our leaders. We need smart and strong leadership now!" Trump tweeted Monday morning. The apparent shift came after Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), a Democratic presidential candidate, said in a Sunday interview that his message would resonate among Trump's working-class supporters. Poster Comment: Ya gotta admire the stongly-held beliefs and sincerity of The Donald,don't you?
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#1. To: AKA Stone, Roscoe, All, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#0)
Who can resist a real leader that knows what he is doing,and stands by his decisions? BTW,does agreeing with Bernie make your boy Donald a commie,AKA Stone? Gee,I wonder if this means he is sending the foreigners he imported into this country because they work cheaper than Americans back home,and replacing them with American workers? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
So just how high do you want to raise the minimum wage? $15/hr? $25/hr? $1000/hr?
What do Trumps switching "stand" on wages have to do with ME,Bubba? Am I the one running for president and saying American wages are too high and need to be lowered to compete with the rest of the world for a few months,and then does a 180 degree turn when challenged and say they are too low? Am I the guy talking about keeping foreigners out of the US,while importing them to work for my businesses because they work cheaper than Americans? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Why are you so terrified of answering a simple question? Is the minimum wage too high or too low, sneaky?
Why are you so terrified of answering a simple question? I'm not,Bubba. I'm just tired of dealing with morons who want to blame ME for some lack of character in the candidate of their choice. *I* am not the one running for president. *I* am not the public figure posing as an expert on finance. *I* am not the one you need to be asking these questions. The one you should be asking is named Trump. Is the minimum wage too high or too low, sneaky? It shouldn't even exist,but WTF do you care about what *I* think about minimum wages? Are you considering casting a write in ballot for me for President? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
How about this? If the federal government is going to mandate $15 per hour, and if the job is only worth $6 an hour, the federal government kicks in the difference. And that money MUST come from an existing social program. I'm getting tired of unfunded mandates. If the federal government thinks $15 an hour (or any amount) is such a great idea, then let THEM pay for it.
At least in the above quotes, Trump is not addressing minimum wages changes. Saying wages are too low is not necessarily advocating increasing minimum wage. He may instead be advocating an end to exporting jobs to Mexico, China, et al, and other policy changes that would increase wages through economic supply and demand forces.
When he said "wages are too high" he was answering a question about raising the minimum wage. He stated that IF we wanted to compete for those jobs lost to other countries, wages would have to be lower. The recent comment was about wages in general.
I hope you didn't trip and get a boo boo running away from the question. Here's some more you won't dare answer: Are wages too high to allow American workers to compete against Chinese imports in free trade environment? Are falling American wages too low to maintain our traditional prior to free trade standards of living?
sneaky doesn't care. He has his Gubmint $$$$BUCKS$$$ conveniently deposited into his bank account each month complete with adjusted cost of living increases.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Time for someone to eat crow. TRUMP: But, taxes too high, wages too high, we're not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to go out, they have to work really hard and have to get into that upper stratum. But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can't do it. CAVUTO: So do not raise the minimum wage? TRUMP: I would not do it.
Are falling American wages too low to maintain our traditional prior to free trade standards of living? The answer to both questions is yes. The answer is to either end free trade, or to establish a minimum wage that will allow a man and a woman working full time at it to raise a family under proper conditions, to establish national health insurance and a more solid national retirement plan, paid out of taxes.
And so the world is more than black and white.
The MSM continues to outdo itself with their distortions of what Trump actually said. No wonder he hates them.
Unless you're white on the right side:
Slashing taxes would allow a minimum wage earner to raise a family. In addition to increases his/her income, it would mean lower prices of food and necessities they buy. Of course, "slashing" would be by the libertarian definition of the term, meaning a 30-50% cut in federal revenue, which would be highly "un-American" according to R's and D's because federal policies are more important than main street America.
His posigin hasn't changed. Some wages are to high. Like a union worker who pushes a broom for 38 bucks an hour. Others are not. You don't know the difference between apples oand oranges or dicks and vaginas.
That would be anti christian. It would be saying you don't have faith in God but you have faith in man. You are nbot taking a christian ppsition but the position of a darwanist.
I might. What will you give me that the DRats won't? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You obviously have me confused with someone else. Then again,since you are a Trump supporter,confusion is your natural state. Are wages too high to allow American workers to compete against Chinese imports in free trade environment? Yes,and no. Yes if nothing else changes,"no" if we were to quit giving (selling under the table) sweetheart deals to the Chinese. Even if we did that our wages would still be too high because our welfare system pays too much to provide any incentive for the parasites who are retired in place on welfare to bother getting up out of bed before noon to go to a job. It was the Dims that created this nightmare,and they did it to buy votes. Overhauling the welfare system to remove the able-bodied,mandate birth control for females,and require drug testing for everybody on welfare as a condition for them to remain on welfare are just the first things that need to be done to overhaul the system. Yes,welfare IS tied to the high minimum wage becaue the more the government pays people to not work,the more private employers have to pay them to get them to come to work. Beyone that I am sure there are a number of trade issues that need to be resolved with the Chinese and everyone else to level the playing field a little. It is the neo-con fascists that are creating the roadblock on that end of the issue. Are falling American wages too low to maintain our traditional prior to free trade standards of living? I suppose you want a simple answer for that one,too? Guess what,bubba. It's tied to the issues above. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Unlike parasites like you,I EARNED my money,mama's boy. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
And who is going to be in charge of all this,comrade? The Vatican? HEY! Ain't they already supposed to be feeding,housing,and giving free medical care to the poor? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Because you participated in a ponzi scheme. Doesn't mean the younger generation owes you a penny. You're living off of the fruit of others. Rightly or wrongly. You should thank them.
Not really. People working minimum wage jobs don't earn enough to pay taxes. In fact,they usually get a Earned Income Tax Credit check back from the government each year if they are married or have children. I don't think single males or single females without children qualify for it,though. Of course, "slashing" would be by the libertarian definition of the term, meaning a 30-50% cut in federal revenue, which would be highly "un-American" according to R's and D's because federal policies are more important than main street America. Neither the R's nor the D's want to cut taxes because they use the tax money to buy votes via government jobs,government contracts,welfare,food stamps,etc,etc,etc. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That would be anti christian. Does your cult own stock in a insurance company,or something? BTW,if it is wrong for the government to so something you consider to be "anti-Christian",is it also wrong for the government to do something Muslims consider to be "anti-Muslim"? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Like what you wear. It depends.
I don't plan on giving you anything. If I were actually running for president the only thing I would promise to give you would be the best and most ethical and honest government possible,and the right to live and manage your own life without government interference as long as you weren't a danger to anyone. I'm not running for president though,and nobody that is would run on a platform like that because they wouldn't get party backing. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Because you participated in a ponzi scheme. No,because I served in the United States Army in combat. Unlike Trump and his Trumpettes. If the tutu fits...... Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I'm not wearing anything right now. I bet that gets you excited,doesn't it? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I'm talking about social security.
I bet that gets you excited,doesn't it? Your lines you use on your sisters kids don't work here. In fact they are disgusting.
I'm talking about social security. Nobody that paid into the SS system and retired at age 65 is getting a damn thing they didn't pay for. Neither are people who became disabled and can no longer work. Where we went wrong was giving it to babies of foreigners because the baby obviously never paid into the system,and neither did their parents. Nor should the government (Dims) ever have been allowed to get away with stealing money from the SS Trust Fund to fund all sorts of government handout programs,and leave the system with a IOU for future generations not even born yet to pay off. BUT......,the blame does not lay on the shoulders of the people who are just taking what they are offered. It lays squarely on the shoulders of the politicians that stole that money to buy votes. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Yes they are. Your money is already spent. The money has to be borrowed ad paid back by future generations. But you don't care. You only care about yourself. Just becausae some sucker paid socxial security doesn't mean they are owed b u others in the future. People who think thaqt might say something stupid like BVernie is a conservative.
Nope. You're so weak. You took a too high and a too low position, just like Trump. Bwahahaha!
Neither are people who became disabled and can no longer work. How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for? I'm not saying we shouldn't help the truly disabled. I'm just saying what you said isn't true.
He be loving that inter-generational debt.
They must hate mirrors.
You are the one doing the selfish whining because someone is getting something you aren't getting. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Which comment was that. Can you quote it?
Say what? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I don't think or care about it. It has nothing to do with me or the contract I entered into (against my will) with the government. If you have issues with it,take it up with the politicians that are stealing and spending the money,not me. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Like Ayn Rand (two packs a day) when she went on welfare to pay for her lung cancer surgery.
That is just pointing out a FAXT. You said no on edisabled is taking any money. I just pointed out you are wrong. I even said that I wasn't saying we shouldn't help the truly disabled. Why did you leave that out? Because you are not an honest person. Yes I am calling you a liar.
Yes they are. Your money is already spent. The money has to be borrowed ad paid back by future generations. But you don't care. You only care about yourself. Just becausae some sucker paid socxial security doesn't mean they are owed b u others in the future. People who think thaqt might say something stupid like BVernie is a conservative. A K A Stone posted on 2015-12-28 17:54:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply You are the one doing the selfish whining because someone is getting something you aren't getting. Which comment was that. Can you quote it? There it is above. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Did the young working victims that are paying your welfare sign that "contract"?
I don't know much about her. Except that she is an atheist. So she is stupid in my view. I think we should help the truly disabled. I was just saying that if someone takes out more then they put in they are taking something.
But you don't care. You only care about yourself. Just becausae some sucker paid socxial security doesn't mean they are owed b u others in the future. People who think thaqt might say something stupid like BVernie is a conservative. A K A Stone posted on 2015-12-28 17:54:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply You are the one doing the selfish whining because someone is getting something you aren't getting. Which comment was that. Can you quote it? There it is above. Pointing out that you are facxtually incorrexct is not whining. Misrepresenting what I say is lying though.
While true, slashing overall federal taxation by 30-50% would mean the overall tax burden of everyone would be reduced, and that would mean businesses would not need to charge as much for the goods and services they sell, as the tax overhead for those businesses would be reduced. The lower costs of everything across the board would mean Joe Sixpack's paycheck would go farther, potentially making it feasible to raise a family. Likely not pushing him into middle class, but possibly something at least out of poverty. Essentially, the overall expense of the nation in funding the federal behemoth being reduced (i.e. removed the needless war tab) would mean more goods and services available for all domestically, and thus lower prices. That was the point of my second sentence in that post.
I don't plan on giving you anything. Well, that rules you out as a viable national candidate of We The People. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
He spins some of the tallest tales or some doozy spins of yarn. His opinions (not any ACTION PLANS) reflect how America take BULLSHIT and run to the nearest poll and supggest he is America's Man of the Year by the Gallop Poll. Well, he is tied with the Pope, but I don't think that makes much of a difference.
In addition to increases his/her income, it would mean lower prices of food and necessities they buy. Of course, "slashing" would be by the libertarian definition of the term, meaning a 30-50% cut in federal revenue, which would be highly "un-American" according to R's and D's because federal policies are more important than main street America. +10; excellent post.
How many free government give-aways do you have in the mailbox each and every month? You have always been "shy" about your background, troll; Pete has never been shy about his career experiences. NGT - were you in the military? have you ever worked a day in your life without getting publick assistance?
That is just pointing out a FAXT. You said no on edisabled is taking any money. I just pointed out you are wrong. I even said that I wasn't saying we shouldn't help the truly disabled. Why did you leave that out? Because you are not an honest person. Yes I am calling you a liar. Why not try posting while sober some time? Your recent posts remind me of Babblefish English translations. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
You really are a fucking idiot. THE CONTRACT PRE-EXISTS OUR BIRTHS,you fucking retard. I didn't sign up for it any more than someone born today signed up for it. It is a government dictate. What *I* did was play by the rules and pay into the SS INSURANCE SYSTEM every payday because the law required me to do so. After that it was the RESPONSIBILITY of the GOVERNMENT to uphold their part of the GOVERMENT MANDATED CONTRACT to uphold THEIR end of the bargain THEY established and pay out. Just like every other insurance program in existence. Yet you and the other jealous and selfish retards want to blame ME and the others WHO ARE GETTING WHAT THEY PAID FOR IN ADVANCE GETTING BACK OUR DUE. If you can't deal with that,may I suggest suicide? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Even you don't know what you are saying most of the time,so how am I lying. I'm not lying and you know I'm not lying. You just like to call me a liar because you know it pisses me off and you hope I just quit posting so you don't have to deal with my criticisms of your insanity,and you can still pretend you believe in free speech and didn't ban me. The prime difference between you and Jim Bob is that he was a Bush Bot and you are a Trumps Trumpette. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Posting while blind not drunk.
It could mean that IF people didn't decide to keep orices as they are so they can collect "extra profits". Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
We all have our burdens to bear. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Posting while blind not drunk. My apologies. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
It could mean that IF people didn't decide to keep orices as they are so they can collect "extra profits". The theory of free market supply and demand says that would not be sustainable. Certainly businesses would not lower prices until forced to do so, but an increase of supply of goods & services should force them to. Obviously, in practice, free market principles don't always run their full course due to monopolies and government regulation, and the effect is never instantaneous, but cutting the needless (war) tax burden on the whole country by a double digit percentage would have to effect the economy for the better.
Translation: The welfare stare pre-exists our birth. Gimme dat money!
All true. One unintended consequence is what happens to the companies supplying the goods and services related to the war effort,as well as all the smaller companies that are sub-contractors that supply parts and material to the larger companines. Not to mention all the workers that work in these companies. One undeniable fact is that a lot of people are going to be put out of work if we stop the war machine by actually winning a damn war instead of keeping them dragging on forever. Not to mention all the military members who would be put on the streets if the military were downsized. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Every action causes a reaction that has to be dealt with. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Translation: The welfare stare pre-exists our birth. Did you figure that out all by yourself,or did you have help? BTW,if this disturbs you this much,you DO understand that even though you have no choice but to contribute to the system,there is nothing requiring YOU to get paid from it,right? All you have to do is never apply to SS if you ever become disabled or turn 65. Stand on your high moral ground and refuse to take the money. Can we get a pledge from you today that you will stand on your convictions and ever receive even a dime of SS money or benefits? If not,STFU about it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
It didn't take much to expose your love of the welfare state. Or at least the trough you're feeding at.
It takes less to expose your stupidity and hypocrisy. Take the pledge or STFU. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Are you drunk?
No, the world is green, brown and blue. People who speak of it as black or white are simpleminded, who forget to use the cones in their eyes and pretend they just have rods. Government, private industry, individual effort - these are all forces. They are not perforce enemies of each other. None of them can do all that needs to be done for people to live reasonably good lives.
I think it is noteworthy that prior to adopting "Free Trade", there were plenty of jobs in the U.S.A., everyone had a job that wanted one, and everyone had a good standard of living. The only jobs then that would be considered "minimum wage" were jobs taken by high school kids, like working in grocery stores, gas stations, etc. In general, things were much better then. Free Trade sucks. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
Exactly. Minimum wage was never intended to be a livable income for an adult. It was for "starter jobs" for kids so they could get some work experience out in the real world before they applied for "real" jobs. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Amen. Living beyond your means was once frowned upon, today it is celebrated as good economics. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Yep. The problem is that back in those days, PFT (pre free trade) we still had all of our industry ( and associated good paying "real" jobs ). So when kids got out of school, they could go still find good jobs, or industries where they could work their way up. Today, the idiots have exported all of our industries, and the associated good paying jobs, so now there are few opportunities. And surprise, surprise, the only thing left is minimum wage jobs. Granted, to be sure, there are a few jobs that have not been exported. Like a refinery a couple counties from me. But, like everywhere else, they have downsized, and openings are very rare. I guess all the BS that if we adopted free trade, we could all have cheap junk, and we would all become computer wizards, rocket scientists, and brain surgeons, and would all live in heavenly bliss, was just a pile of BS. FREE TRADE SUCKS, and all those that promoted it are ASSHOLES !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
Good economics for bankers and manufacturers,but not so much for consumers. If you tell people today the simple truth that "How much money you make is not as important as how much money it takes for you to live." you mostly get blank stares and "Huh"? I turned down a offer of $22,000 cash for one of the cars sitting in my shop that I don't even drive because the engine and transmission are out of it now,and everybody that knows about it has told me I am crazy when I tell them "I like the car and I don't need the money,so why WOULD I want to sell it?" They all say some version of "To get the money to buy something else.",and I get more blank looks when I tell them I don't really feel the need to buy something else,so why bother selling it? I tell them "If I did sell it,then I wouldn't have a 32 Ford coupe,and would have to turn around and pay more money to buy another one." Nobody seems to understand being satisfied with what you already have. Then again,most of them have probably never been homeless and had to sell blood to get the money to eat,either. That's the sort of thing that gives you an appreciation for the basics in life,and an understanding of the words "essential" and "enough". Not to mention the meaning of the word "extra". Those people will never be happy in life because there will always be somebody that has something newer,nicer,and more expensive than anything they have. It sure would have been nice to have been this comfortable when I was in my 20's and 30's,though. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That much is true,but why do people want cheap junk? I have never understood that concept. we would all become computer wizards, rocket scientists, and brain surgeons, and would all live in heavenly bliss, was just a pile of BS. Unless your kid is brilliant and driven to work in one of those fields,the wise thing to do is send them to a 2 to 4 year school to learn skilled trades like plumbing,heating and air conditioning,carpentry,electrician,etc,etc,etc. I know people personally in some of these trades that are pulling in more than 150 grand a year,and working by themselves doing the little jobs the big companies won't take on. Most "youts" of today have no interest in doing those jobs because of the blue collar status,and because they think they are too smart to do physical work. Hell,the typical parts replacer (I hesitate to call them mechanics)at a new car dealership is pulling in 75 to 100 grand a year working 40 hours a week and doesn't even really have to know anything anymore other than how to take stuff apart and install new parts. The cars and trucks of today hook into master computers that tell you what's wrong with the car,the parts numbers you need to fix it,and even what steps to take to fix it. The only drawback there is the competition for some of these jobs is pretty stiff in certain areas,but not always. The son of a friend of mine just graduated from a 2 year mechanics course in Ca,and was hired right out of school to work at a BMW dealership. Right now he is going to a BMW school in New Jersey to learn their cars and their systems,and then they will place him in a dealership. Ever seen a mechanic from a BMW dealership standing in line for Food Stamps? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
When I was young and dumb and drove a Porsche, it cost $200 to look under the hood - and this was 30 years ago.
They all say some version of "To get the money to buy something else.",and I get more blank looks when I tell them I don't really feel the need to buy something else,so why bother selling it? I tell them "If I did sell it,then I wouldn't have a 32 Ford coupe, and would have to turn around and pay more money to buy another one." Figure the 32 Ford coupe is an appreciating asset in the long run, and your labor is adding value to it. Most of the things you buy once you sold it would depreciate in value, so you'd be trading away an appreciating asset for one that depreciates. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
If this is the best that Trump can do as a rebuttal, he is sorely lacking and it worries me! I'm disturbed that we might get stuck with another fence-straddling mealy mouthed dud in trump. Give me indication of something to rely on and some commitment.
Well, I did not mean that literally. I just used that as an expression. those that touted Free Trade were saying all of our product purchases would be cheaper. Things like TV's, stereos, refrigerators, furniture, appliances, etc, etc. What you said about career choices is true. Today, I think most would be MUCH better off getting training in plumbing, electrician, etc like you said. My son graduated last year. He got his degree in Engineering Technology, with a lot of emphasis in computers. He got a job with Mitsubishi Electric, basically doing maintenance on their line equipment. His buddies that wanted to do coding, etc are still looking for jobs. No go. My son is not making the kind of money you are talking about, but he is doing well, especially for the area he is in, and he is happy. He has very good potential for promotion. He rents his own place, and is only an hour drive away, and not on the other side of the country. That makes me & mama happy. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
I don't know how much it is now,but I'd be willing to bet it ain't cheaper. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Nothing would please me more than to be able to name a candidate like that,but Barry Goldwater died decades ago,and not soon enough for the alleged Republican establishment. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
And in the end,the reality is money is only money. It has no loyalty and it's only useful for buying things. My 32 coupe is for all practical purposes not worth anything to me because it will probably never get sold until it hits my estate sale. Same as my 34 Ford pu,51 Ford coupe,38 Ford tudor,33 Plymouth coupe,and 42 Dodge coupe. I bought them because I like them and I like working on them and I like driving them. Working on them gives me an excuse to buy tools,and repairing/modifying them gives me something to do with my hands. Win/win for me. I don't regret a dime I spent on any of them,and don't give a damn if I never get a dime back. I leave my 2015 truck in the driveway most days and currently drive my 51 Ford around. When I get tired of driving that one around,I'll put license tags on my 31 Plymouth coupe and drive it around,or maybe drive my 37 Dodge or 39 IHC pu around. My new truck is for driving when it's raining or the weather is bad. It's a tool,nothing more. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Sounds like you have some sweet toys !
Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
#3. To: Roscoe (#2)
So just how high do you want to raise the minimum wage? $15/hr? $25/hr? $1000/hr?
#4. To: sneakypete (#3)
What do Trumps switching "stand" on wages have to do with ME,Bubba?
#5. To: Roscoe (#4)
What do Trumps switching "stand" on wages have to do with ME,Bubba?
#6. To: Roscoe (#2)
"So just how high do you want to raise the minimum wage? $15/hr? $25/hr? $1000/hr?"
#7. To: Roscoe (#2)
So just how high do you want to raise the minimum wage? $15/hr? $25/hr? $1000/hr?
#8. To: Pinguinite (#7)
"At least in the above quotes, Trump is not addressing minimum wages changes."
#9. To: sneakypete (#5)
#10. To: Roscoe (#2)
#11. To: misterwhite, Pinguinite (#8)
"At least in the above quotes, Trump is not addressing minimum wages changes."
#12. To: Roscoe (#9)
Are wages too high to allow American workers to compete against Chinese imports in free trade environment?
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
The answer to both questions is yes.
#14. To: Roscoe (#11)
CAVUTO: So do not raise the minimum wage?
#15. To: Roscoe (#13)
"And so the world is more than black and white."
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
The answer is to either end free trade, or to establish a minimum wage that will allow a man and a woman working full time at it to raise a family under proper conditions, to establish national health insurance and a more solid national retirement plan, paid out of taxes.
#17. To: sneakypete (#0)
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
to establish national health insurance
#19. To: sneakypete, Roscoe (#5)
Are you considering casting a write in ballot for me for President?
#20. To: Roscoe (#9)
I hope you didn't trip and get a boo boo running away from the question. Here's some more you won't dare answer:
#21. To: no gnu taxes (#10)
sneaky doesn't care. He has his Gubmint $$$$BUCKS$$$ conveniently deposited into his bank account each month complete with adjusted cost of living increases.
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
The answer is to either end free trade, or to establish a minimum wage that will allow a man and a woman working full time at it to raise a family under proper conditions, to establish national health insurance and a more solid national retirement plan, paid out of taxes.
#23. To: sneakypete (#21)
Unlike parasites like you,I EARNED my money,mama's boy.
#24. To: Pinguinite (#16)
Slashing taxes would allow a minimum wage earner to raise a family.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#18)
"to establish national health insurance "
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
BTW,if it is wrong for the government to so something you consider to be "anti-Christian",is it also wrong for the government to do something Muslims consider to be "anti-Muslim"?
#27. To: SOSO (#19)
I might. What will you give me that the DRats won't?
#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)
(Edited)
Unlike parasites like you,I EARNED my money,mama's boy.
#29. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Like what you wear. It depends.
#30. To: sneakypete (#28)
No,because I served in the United States Army in combat.
#31. To: sneakypete (#29)
I'm not wearing anything right now.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
No,because I served in the United States Army in combat.
#33. To: sneakypete (#32)
Nobody that paid into the SS system and retired at age 65 is getting a damn thing they didn't pay for.
#34. To: sneakypete (#20)
you are a Trump supporter
Yes,and no. Yes if nothing else changes,"no" if we were to quit giving (selling under the table) sweetheart deals to the Chinese. Even if we did that our wages would still be too high because our welfare system pays too much to provide any incentive for the parasites who are retired in place on welfare to bother getting up out of bed before noon to go to a job. It was the Dims that created this nightmare,and they did it to buy votes. Overhauling the welfare system to remove the able-bodied,mandate birth control for females,and require drug testing for everybody on welfare as a condition for them to remain on welfare are just the first things that need to be done to overhaul the system. Yes,welfare IS tied to the high minimum wage becaue the more the government pays people to not work,the more private employers have to pay them to get them to come to work. Beyone that I am sure there are a number of trade issues that need to be resolved with the Chinese and everyone else to level the playing field a little.
#35. To: sneakypete (#32)
Nobody that paid into the SS system and retired at age 65 is getting a damn thing they didn't pay for.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#33)
Your money is already spent. The money has to be borrowed ad paid back by future generations.
#37. To: misterwhite (#15)
Unless you're white on the right side:
#38. To: A K A Stone (#33)
But you don't care. You only care about yourself.
#39. To: sneakypete (#38)
You are the one doing the selfish whining because someone is getting something you aren't getting.
#40. To: A K A Stone (#35)
How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for?
#41. To: Roscoe (#36)
He be loving that inter-generational debt.
#42. To: A K A Stone (#35)
How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for?
#43. To: sneakypete (#40)
How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for? Say what?
#44. To: A K A Stone (#39)
Nobody that paid into the SS system and retired at age 65 is getting a damn thing they didn't pay for.
#45. To: sneakypete (#41)
It has nothing to do with me or the contract I entered into
#46. To: Roscoe (#42)
Like Ayn Rand (two packs a day) when she went on welfare to pay for her lung cancer surgery.
#47. To: sneakypete (#44)
Nobody that paid into the SS system and retired at age 65 is getting a damn thing they didn't pay for. Yes they are. Your money is already spent. The money has to be borrowed ad paid back by future generations.
#48. To: sneakypete (#24)
Not really. People working minimum wage jobs don't earn enough to pay taxes.
#49. To: sneakypete (#27)
I might. What will you give me that the DRats won't?
#50. To: sneakypete (#0)
Ya gotta admire the stongly-held beliefs and sincerity of The Donald,don't you?
#51. To: Pinguinite (#16)
Slashing taxes would allow a minimum wage earner to raise a family.
#52. To: no gnu taxes, Roscoe, sneakypete (#10)
sneaky doesn't care. He has his Gubmint $$$$BUCKS$$$ conveniently deposited into his bank account each month complete with adjusted cost of living increases.
#53. To: A K A Stone (#43)
How is it that someone diaabled who takes more money then they put in. Isn't getting a damn thing they didn't pay for? Say what?
#54. To: Roscoe (#45)
Did the young working victims that are paying your welfare sign that "contract"?
#55. To: A K A Stone (#47)
Misrepresenting what I say is lying though.
#56. To: sneakypete (#53)
Why not try posting while sober some time? Your recent posts remind me of Babblefish English translations.
#57. To: Pinguinite (#48)
Essentially, the overall expense of the nation in funding the federal behemoth being reduced (i.e. removed the needless war tab) would mean more goods and services available for all domestically, and thus lower prices.
#58. To: SOSO (#49)
Well, that rules you out as a viable national candidate of We The People.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#56)
Why not try posting while sober some time? Your recent posts remind me of Babblefish English translations.
#60. To: sneakypete (#57)
#61. To: sneakypete (#54)
THE CONTRACT PRE-EXISTS OUR BIRTHS
#62. To: Pinguinite (#60)
#63. To: Roscoe (#61)
(Edited)
THE CONTRACT PRE-EXISTS OUR BIRTHS
#64. To: sneakypete (#63)
#65. To: Roscoe (#64)
It didn't take much to expose your love of the welfare state. Or at least the trough you're feeding at.
#66. To: sneakypete (#65)
#67. To: Roscoe (#13)
And so the world is more than black and white.
#68. To: Roscoe (#9)
" Are falling American wages too low to maintain our traditional prior to free trade standards of living? "
#69. To: Stoner (#68)
The only jobs then that would be considered "minimum wage" were jobs taken by high school kids, like working in grocery stores, gas stations, etc.
#70. To: Stoner (#68)
Free Trade sucks.
#71. To: sneakypete (#69)
" Exactly. Minimum wage was never intended to be a livable income for an adult. It was for "starter jobs" for kids so they could get some work experience out in the real world before they applied for "real" jobs. "
#72. To: nativist nationalist (#70)
Living beyond your means was once frowned upon, today it is celebrated as good economics.
#73. To: Stoner (#71)
I guess all the BS that if we adopted free trade, we could all have cheap junk
#74. To: sneakypete (#73)
#75. To: sneakypete (#72)
I turned down a offer of $22,000 cash for one of the cars sitting in my shop that I don't even drive because the engine and transmission are out of it now,and everybody that knows about it has told me I am crazy when I tell them "I like the car and I don't need the money,so why WOULD I want to sell it?"
#76. To: sneakypete (#0)
(Edited)
Donald Trump changes tune on wages after Bernie Sanders broadside
#77. To: sneakypete (#73)
" why do people want cheap junk? "
#78. To: Fred Mertz (#74)
When I was young and dumb and drove a Porsche, it cost $200 to look under the hood - and this was 30 years ago.
#79. To: rlk (#76)
Give me indication of something to rely on and some commitment.
#80. To: nativist nationalist (#75)
Figure the 32 Ford coupe is an appreciating asset in the long run, and your labor is adding value to it.
#81. To: sneakypete (#80)
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