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Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Dec 14, 2015 Author: paraclete Post Date: 2015-12-14 21:42:12 by paraclete Keywords: WWIII Views: 1966 Comments: 20 http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609757/Putin-ISIS-Islamic-State-Syria-Raqqa-troops-soldiers-air-strike-jets-military Putin will put 150,000 troops on the ground. this will enable him to win the war and win the peace and it leaves Obama nowhere to go. The US will have to get serious about Daesh in Iraq or face greater forces as Daesh is forced out of Syria Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: paraclete (#0) I am happy that you feel the USA will be out of business as the global cop. I am hopeful the USA stops sending valuable tax dollars into failed programs based on silly CIA speculative data which has been an absolute failure since South Korea (1949). But the USA will not abandon hundreds of national alliances with hundreds of military bases around the world. Putin is an invited guest in Syria and Iran; the USA is not. That is a significant issue for USA global militarism and reflects on the USA to negotiate and arbitrate the conditions that influence control about world governance, at least in the ME. The USA lost the ME with GWBush's discredited invasion into Iraq; the muther-fucker stole America's otherwise influence by playing a crap shoot at tax payer expense. It is unlikely that the USA is "out" and Russia is "in" in other words. It is a blemish on the USA's reputation that can never be reconciled in the international arena of foreign affairs and intrigue. buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-14   22:16:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: paraclete (#0) Putin does what Obama is too pussy to do! Obama's not a pussy, he just is working surrepticiously and effectively toward different goals and missions, a major one of which is the collapse and punishment of Western civilization. rlk  posted on  2015-12-14   22:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: rlk (#2) he just is working surrepticiously and effectively towardthe collapse and punishment of Western civilization. As I said Pussy paraclete  posted on  2015-12-14   23:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: paraclete (#3) he just is working surrepticiously and effectively toward the collapse and punishment of Western civilization. As I said Pussy Pussy suggests meekness and cowardice. There is no reason for him to fight with fists when he can achieve his goals by nodding his head in front of a teleprompter and even get re-elected. He's given eight years of subversion without getting the threat of a scratch on him.It's damned good work for a guy who stated out as a social agitator and made it into eight years in the White House in a few years. rlk  posted on  2015-12-14   23:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: paraclete (#0) I hope it works, works well, and works quickly. Pinguinite  posted on  2015-12-15   0:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: rlk (#4) Pussy suggests meekness and cowardice. That is exactly what I suggesting, he got a peace prize for doing nothing but flapping his jaw, he has been doing nothing in the ME for a year against daesh and now has been goaded into action by Putin and what does he do, takes credit for increasing the scale of attacks, Putin acted because Obama was too pussy to put troops on the ground, too pussy to really get stuck into what was supposed to be a great threat. Obama got to where he did because he had no real opposition, everyone was sick of George Bush's war. One thing you could say about Bush, he may have been wrong but he wasn't a pussy paraclete  posted on  2015-12-15   1:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: paraclete (#6) Obama got to where he did because he had no real opposition . . . Do you ever ask yourself " . . . how does that happen?" No opposition, I mean. Everyone has opposition. History's greatest leaders (and even the infamous ones) - they all had opposition. Yet - starting from the boy emperor's early run to power when he ran for Senate - his "opponent" had a major scandal and had to drop out. Strange, isn't it? "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . " ~Psalm 33:12a Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-12-15   7:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: paraclete, Pinguinite, tomder55 (#0) If nothing else, we finally get to see the old Soviet war machine in action. Many of the Soviet front-line systems were never in war prior to Syria including many cruise missile designs, their supersonic bomber, etc. We see them finally used in Syria. And the S-300 and S-400 are deployed and Iran and Syria will be customers. This article mentioned the use of the BetaB-500 bunker busting bombs. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-15   9:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: paraclete, TooConservative, redleghunter (#0) Putin will put 150,000 troops on the ground. That used to be called 'mission creep ' . It's going to tax the Russian military assets as they now fight a 2 front war (he already makes excuses on the home front for the casualties of the 'volunteers ' coming home from Ukraine) . It's also going to cost them in that they now have very tough spending priorities to be paid for with declining oil revenues. Not only that ,but they are now in a quasi-shooting war with Turkey . I'm sure in his mind is the memory of the quagmire in Afghanistan. Also ,now the Russians are giving air cover for FSA ,the rebel groups opposed to Assad ,as they battle the Islamic State . This whole thing is beginning to look like the shoot out in 'The Good ,the Bad ,the Ugly ' . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgAKzmWmuk Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-15   10:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: tomder55 (#9) This whole thing is beginning to look like the shoot out in 'The Good ,the Bad ,the Ugly ' . ‘Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops—many people are with you. 7 “Prepare yourself and be ready, you and all your companies that are gathered about you; and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. 9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2038&version=NKJV For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8) redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-15   13:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Rufus T Firefly (#7) Everyone has opposition Depends on your definition and whether you have a short memory, an old man and a mad woman, not much opposition. Still maybe this is what turns you on paraclete  posted on  2015-12-15   16:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: tomder55 (#9) It's also going to cost them in that they now have very tough spending priorities to be paid for with declining oil revenues. Not only that ,but they are now in a quasi-shooting war with Turkey . I'm sure in his mind is the memory of the quagmire in Afghanistan. Also in Vlad's mind is the knowledge that he can't allow the Qatari pipeline a path through Turkey. Russia/Iran/Iraq/Syria is the new OPEC, squaring off against the Saudis and emirates. This is why the Saudis suddenly announced that they are forming a multinational Arab anti-ISIS group. Of course, it is likely they'll just be backing al-Nusra (al-Qaeda) for a victory in Syria. They aren't playing for all the marbles but they are playing a high-stakes game with implications for the next 20 years of energy prices in the Mideast and EU and well beyond. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-15   17:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#12) yes the Syrian Civil war has always been about competing pipelines. Russia's desire to have a strangle hold on energy supplies to Europe is also why Azerbaijan and Armenia are fighting under the radar . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-16   8:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: tomder55 (#13) Has noone thought that all of this is about much more long term objectives than oil. Some of these people have been fighting each other for centuries. Russia enjoys a strong position at the moment, but Europe cannot afford them to keep it. I cannot see why a pipeline must go through Syria it could be layed on a more southerly route, just as a pipleine out of Russia could be layed on a more northerly route but vast quantities of gas can be transported by ship. The lack of a pipeline has not stopped Australia from exporting gas. Russia has for a long time held a strong position with Syria, they are bankrupt now and this war will make them more so paraclete  posted on  2015-12-16   15:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: paraclete (#14) it's simple ...Russia wants to maintain their strangle hold on energy to Europe .The whole Georgia war and now the Armenia conflict is about Russian control of the energy routes out of the Caspian Sea. If a pipeline runs through Turkey then the Russians can't shut off the spigot when they want to black mail Europe. That is also what the Ukraine civil war is all about . You talk about a sea route . But all shipping passed through the Straits of Hormuz . Now the Iranian backed forces are threatening taking over Yemen .Look at the map. They will control the choke points all the way to the Suez. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-16   18:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: tomder55 (#15) Not all gas is in the gulf, in any case the Saudi could build pipelines to Eqypt and beyond. There seems to be a lack of imagination paraclete  posted on  2015-12-16   21:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: paraclete (#16) Not all gas is in the gulf, in any case the Saudi could build pipelines to Eqypt and beyond. There seems to be a lack of imagination Don't say things like that. You're expected to be anti-Russian, pro-islam and pro-Obama in all things. rlk  posted on  2015-12-17   0:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: rlk (#17) (Edited) You're expected to be anti-Russian, pro-islam and pro-Obama in all things. Who told you that? I am free to be anti or pro who ever I like, I am anti PC, Anti abortion, anti drugs, anti islam, I am not pro russian but I applaud that Putin had the guts to take action in Syria and stand up to the Obama proxy war against Iran, etc in that place. It is a disgrace that the Syrian war has been allowed to go on as long as it has and Obama needs a boot up the Kyber because he had the capability to do something more about it, not foster it paraclete  posted on  2015-12-17   7:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: paraclete (#16) That would presume that the Saudi's would be the major benefactor . I believe it is the other Gulf states mostly looking for routes that don't pass through the Straits of Hormuz and the Bab el Mandeb Strait . The Saudi's aready pipe crude to Egypt through the Sumed pipeline. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-17   9:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: tomder55 (#19) That would presume that the Saudi's would be the major benefactor Yes the gulf states could benefit from piping gas and oil and should pursue it, however many differences need to be buried, particularly the sunni-shiia divide paraclete  posted on  2015-12-17   15:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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