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Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Dec 14, 2015 Author: paraclete Post Date: 2015-12-14 21:42:12 by paraclete Keywords: WWIII Views: 1967 Comments: 20 http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609757/Putin-ISIS-Islamic-State-Syria-Raqqa-troops-soldiers-air-strike-jets-military Putin will put 150,000 troops on the ground. this will enable him to win the war and win the peace and it leaves Obama nowhere to go. The US will have to get serious about Daesh in Iraq or face greater forces as Daesh is forced out of Syria Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 20. #9. To: paraclete, TooConservative, redleghunter (#0) Putin will put 150,000 troops on the ground. That used to be called 'mission creep ' . It's going to tax the Russian military assets as they now fight a 2 front war (he already makes excuses on the home front for the casualties of the 'volunteers ' coming home from Ukraine) . It's also going to cost them in that they now have very tough spending priorities to be paid for with declining oil revenues. Not only that ,but they are now in a quasi-shooting war with Turkey . I'm sure in his mind is the memory of the quagmire in Afghanistan. Also ,now the Russians are giving air cover for FSA ,the rebel groups opposed to Assad ,as they battle the Islamic State . This whole thing is beginning to look like the shoot out in 'The Good ,the Bad ,the Ugly ' . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgAKzmWmuk tomder55  posted on  2015-12-15   10:29:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: tomder55 (#9) It's also going to cost them in that they now have very tough spending priorities to be paid for with declining oil revenues. Not only that ,but they are now in a quasi-shooting war with Turkey . I'm sure in his mind is the memory of the quagmire in Afghanistan. Also in Vlad's mind is the knowledge that he can't allow the Qatari pipeline a path through Turkey. Russia/Iran/Iraq/Syria is the new OPEC, squaring off against the Saudis and emirates. This is why the Saudis suddenly announced that they are forming a multinational Arab anti-ISIS group. Of course, it is likely they'll just be backing al-Nusra (al-Qaeda) for a victory in Syria. They aren't playing for all the marbles but they are playing a high-stakes game with implications for the next 20 years of energy prices in the Mideast and EU and well beyond. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-15   17:32:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#12) yes the Syrian Civil war has always been about competing pipelines. Russia's desire to have a strangle hold on energy supplies to Europe is also why Azerbaijan and Armenia are fighting under the radar . tomder55  posted on  2015-12-16   8:09:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: tomder55 (#13) Has noone thought that all of this is about much more long term objectives than oil. Some of these people have been fighting each other for centuries. Russia enjoys a strong position at the moment, but Europe cannot afford them to keep it. I cannot see why a pipeline must go through Syria it could be layed on a more southerly route, just as a pipleine out of Russia could be layed on a more northerly route but vast quantities of gas can be transported by ship. The lack of a pipeline has not stopped Australia from exporting gas. Russia has for a long time held a strong position with Syria, they are bankrupt now and this war will make them more so paraclete  posted on  2015-12-16   15:13:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: paraclete (#14) it's simple ...Russia wants to maintain their strangle hold on energy to Europe .The whole Georgia war and now the Armenia conflict is about Russian control of the energy routes out of the Caspian Sea. If a pipeline runs through Turkey then the Russians can't shut off the spigot when they want to black mail Europe. That is also what the Ukraine civil war is all about . You talk about a sea route . But all shipping passed through the Straits of Hormuz . Now the Iranian backed forces are threatening taking over Yemen .Look at the map. They will control the choke points all the way to the Suez. tomder55  posted on  2015-12-16   18:20:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: tomder55 (#15) Not all gas is in the gulf, in any case the Saudi could build pipelines to Eqypt and beyond. There seems to be a lack of imagination paraclete  posted on  2015-12-16   21:39:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: paraclete (#16) That would presume that the Saudi's would be the major benefactor . I believe it is the other Gulf states mostly looking for routes that don't pass through the Straits of Hormuz and the Bab el Mandeb Strait . The Saudi's aready pipe crude to Egypt through the Sumed pipeline. tomder55  posted on  2015-12-17   9:54:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: tomder55 (#19) That would presume that the Saudi's would be the major benefactor Yes the gulf states could benefit from piping gas and oil and should pursue it, however many differences need to be buried, particularly the sunni-shiia divide paraclete  posted on  2015-12-17   15:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 20.         There are no replies to Comment # 20. End Trace Mode for Comment # 20. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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