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Title: Imagine If Donald Trump Ran As A Democrat — It’s Not Too Hard To Do
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URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/13/i ... mocrat-its-not-too-hard-to-do/
Published: Dec 14, 2015
Author: Jamie Weinstein
Post Date: 2015-12-14 04:40:22 by tomder55
Keywords: Trump is a Democrat
Views: 4080
Comments: 49

Imagine for a moment if Donald Trump made the decision to run for president as a Democrat instead of as a Republican.

As Trump-mania continues to dominate the Republican presidential primary, it’s not hard to envision an alternate reality – one where the real estate billionaire is taking the country by storm as a Democrat.

In many ways, it would have been easier for Trump to enter the Democratic primary than the Republican primary. Trump was registered as a Democrat from 2001 to 2009 and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democratic candidates like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid over the years. (In fairness, he has donated a lot of money to Republican candidates as well.)

As a native of liberal New York City, it’s not surprising that Trump has a much longer record of being pro-choice than he does of being pro-life.

“I support a woman’s right to choose,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” in 2000.

Trump was never a staunch opponent of gay marriage either until recently. In fact, Rick Santorum says that Trump chided him in 2011 for being “too hard-core” on gay marriage and abortion.

“I don’t know anyone that shares that opinion with you,” Santorum said Trump told him.

So it’s not too hard to envision Trump running as a socially liberal Democrat. Indeed, it would seemingly be a far easier act for the thrice-married New Yorker to pull off than convincing evangelicals that he is staunchly pro-life and against gay marriage.

On foreign policy, Trump isn’t all that different from Barack Obama. To the extent his foreign policy worldview is comprehensible, he comes across as the least hawkish candidate in the GOP field, with the possible exception of Rand Paul, even though rhetoric sometimes masks this. While he says he wants to increase military spending and “bomb the shit” out of ISIS, he regularly makes the case for reducing America’s leadership role in world affairs and focusing on nation building at home.

“I’ll tell you what, there is going to be nation building. You know what the nation’s going to be? The United States, that’s what the nation’s going to be,” Trump told me in September, speaking of his foreign policy outlook.

As Trump also repeatedly highlights, he opposed the Iraq war (though the first evidence of this comes from 2004, over a year after the war began). Such a position is far more endearing to the Democratic base than Hillary Clinton’s support for the military action that removed Saddam from power.

Trump wouldn’t be out of place on economic issues in a Democratic primary either. At this anti-Wall Street moment, Trump could paint himself as the insider who is ready to turn enemy of his class for the good of the country.

What’s more, Trump has a record of favoring proposals that would be far more vexing to the one percent than anything Bernie Sanders has proposed. In 1999, Trump proposed a one-time 14.25 percent tax on wealthy Americans and trusts over $10 million. Even now he doesn’t back away from that proposal philosophically, even though he says he doesn’t intend to pursue it in the White House.

“At that time we could have paid off the entire national debt and we could have started the game all even,” Trump told Sean Hannity in August, noting that the proposal was actually “very conservative.”

Trump is also a supporter of universal health care, if not Obamacare.

“I am going to take care of everybody,” Trump said on “60 Minutes” in September. “I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

Trump even praised the single payer health care programs of Canada and Scotland during the first Republican presidential debate in August.

“As far as single payer, it works in Canada, it works incredibly well in Scotland, it could have worked in a different age, which is the age you are talking about here,” Trump said when asked by the moderators about his past support for single payer health care.

Of course Trump would have had to made the strategic decision to position himself to run in 2016 as a Democrat way back in 2010, before he went on his birther kick. You probably can’t win a Democratic primary as one of the leading birthers in the country.

His rhetoric on immigration also wouldn’t fly in a Democratic primary. But if he made the decision to position himself as a Democrat contender back in 2010, he would never have called for the deportation of all the illegal immigrants in the country. In fact, after Mitt Romney lost in 2012, Trump criticized the Republican contender’s rhetoric on immigration as “mean-spirited,” which suggests Trump’s instincts on illegal immigration may be less harsh than what we are seeing today

“The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants, but what they did have going for them is they weren’t mean-spirited about it,” Trump told Newsmax. “They didn’t know what the policy was, but what they were is they were kind.”

But if Trump made the decision to run as a Democrat in 2010, he may be even better positioned to win the Democratic presidential nomination today than he is to win the Republican nomination. The Democratic field is far smaller and with Joe Biden’s decision to not enter the race, there is no candidate opposing Hillary Clinton who people can actually imagine winning the nomination, even if Sanders could potentially threaten her in a few states.

Trump may have been that guy. He could have successfully branded Clinton as untrustworthy and even criminal over her email scandal and shady Clinton Foundation dealings, just like he negatively branded so many of his GOP foes. And it very well may have worked, just like it seems to have worked with “low-energy” Jeb Bush.

So it doesn’t take too much of an imagination to envision a world where Donald Trump is on the verge of winning the Democratic nomination. In fact, it may even be far easier to get your head around than our current reality.

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#8. To: tomder55 (#0)

Trump is pro-life. He does believe in a rape/incest exception, which means that he's not as absolutist on the matter as, say, Santorum, but he is, nevertheless pro-life. You can't run for national office as a pro-lifer at all on the Democrat side.

Trump's position on abortion is where a lot of Americans fall: he doesn't support it, but he's not going to block it for rape and incest cases. Religious purists would allow no exceptions, and on their logic they're right, but most of the nation doesn't share their logic. Rape is the wedge issue that the Democrats, many (most?) of whom would "abort" a three-year old if it were convenient for the mother's sex life and job prospects, use with very powerful effect to ensure that the majority stays pro-choice.

Pull that rape issue out of there, and the incest issue, and the majority line moves over to the pro- life side. That's where Trump is: pro-life, with rape and incest exceptions to the law. It is not a good answer, from a religious perspective, given that the babies of rape and incest are innocent too, but it's a whole lot less terrible than abortion on demand for all, paid for by Obamacare.

But it's a much stronger position politically and electorally than pro-life with no rape exception, simply because pro-life WITH a rape exception is within the pale of what many women will vote for, but pro-life WITHOUT a rape exception is an absolute non-starter for huge numbers of women and independents.

Trump's position on the matter neutralizes it for many women, because most women won't get an abortion, but very few women will tolerate having the right to one taken away if they're raped, or for kids who are raped by their uncles and the like.

Pro-life with a rape and incest exception is not a Democrat position at all. It's a moderate center- right position. And he's the only Republican candidate who has it. Which means that he's the only one who can get a lot of those votes that the others never can get.

And it's not a "nuanced position" he is taking. It's what he actually thinks, and he's always been willing to discuss it. I've heard him say it: Doesn't believe in abortion, thinks it's terrible, but thinks rape and incest and having to carry the baby is more terrible, so isn't going to block abortion in those cases. That's what he thinks, and a lot of women agree with that. They'll vote for a man who has that view. They won't vote for a man who tells them that they have to carry a rapist's baby to terms.

You can yell at them with your religious dogma all you like - and I do - but they will not change their minds, and they'll just hate you and make a point of voting Democrat. Trump's position on abortion is where our democracy is - that's as pro-life as anybody can be and still get elected in 2015. It's a position that can save a lot of babies, but not all of them. An unhappy compromise to my eyes, but better than any Democrat. And the Santorums cannot WIN, so the purity of their position is academic.

Trump wasn't a staunch opponent of gay marriage, and neither are most Americans. Most Americans are urban, and most urban Americans really don't CARE what people do, as long as they don't do it on the bus. Most Americans are not howlingly offended that two guys want to get it on behind closed doors. But most Americans are more worried about religious fanatics who want to get into people's bedrooms. It's just like with the rape and incest exceptions to abortion. Most Americans are nominally Christian, and willing to enforce big moral issues (like no murder, no rape, no incest, feed the poor, etc.), but they are not fanatics, and don't want to punish people for homosexuality because they don't really CARE.

Huge numbers of people have had immoral sexual experiences of whatever stripe - sex outside of wedlock is immoral, divorce and remarriage is immoral, dating while separated is immoral, watching porn is immoral - they know it's immoral at some level, but they don't care, and they CERTAINLY are not going to permit ANYBODY to get in their grill and start telling them what they can do. The Westboro Baptist Church punches the sort of buttons that would result in their being beaten to a pulp or shot if the bulk of people had their way about them. People accept that there are limits, but they are not willing to cede the policing of those limits to religious fanatics. Nor are they willing to allow the religious to set what those limits are, because most Americans are over the line of where religion sets the limits.

So it's a question of "what" and "how much". Most Americans think that gay sex is just sex, don't care, and want to leave people alone. Most people WERE of the mindset to think that marriage is different, and not liking the public sashaying around of gays that are "married". THAT was over the line for most Americans five to ten years ago.

But once again, most people really don't CARE, but they really REALLY don't like the people who DO care so much, because those same people are the ones who would take away the rape exception on abortion - and that's an absolute non-starter, and they're the same people who were in the bag for W, who were gung ho for the Iraq war, etc.

When the judges ruled on abortion long ago, it didn't settle things, because most people really do worry about all that abortion. But when the courts moved on gay marriage, the people sort of shrugged their shoulders, because most people really don't care what other people do, as long as they don't do it on the bus.

And once again, Trump is just about there, right in the middle of the pack of Americans.

Which means that when it comes to third-rail issues of rape exceptions and leaving gays alone, Trump doesn't have a no-go position, but the other Republicans do. And that is why Trump can win a general election but the others can't.

Back in the day, Republicans used to have the trump card of national security. But then came W and disastrous wars and military incompetence. The Republicans also had a better reputation at handling the economy, but then came Clinton, whose economy boomed, followed by Bush, who left the country in foreign quagmires, mired in debt, in an economic depression. The Republicans lost their national security and economic stewardship brands. All they had left where hard right social positions, which are not electable, but they tried to slip Romney past, to dupe the hard right while being acceptable to the center. It didn't work. The center wasn't convinced, and the hard right wasn't either.

Trump is a different animal. He is center right on social issues, and everybody knows it, and he's economically successful, and he's touched directly on the economic issue that touches huge numbers of Americans: immigration. AND he's looking to fight the terrorists a very practical way: keep them OUT of HERE.

This plays right down the plate for most Americans, so he's popular. The Republican Establishment hates it because they lose control of the party. The Democrats fear it more and more, because Trump will get the independents and win, if he's the nominee.

So you have all of this flak coming at him. It helps him because he's picked the right enemies. Most of the people agree with HIM, and not his enemies, so THEIR drawing attention to the issue is like free campaign advertising for him: LOOK! I'm not a religious nut! LOOK! I don't favor the illegal invaders! LOOK! I don't favor the hedge fund guys. That's why they all hate me. Etc.

Trump is believable in the role because that's actually where HE stands,so he's not striking poses, and people know it.

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#15. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

abortion is another issue he flip flopped on .

“I believe it is a personal decision that should be left to the women and their doctors,” Trump 1999

"I support a woman’s right to choose, but I am uncomfortable with the procedures. When Tim Russert asked me on Meet the Press if I would ban partial- birth abortion, my pro-choice instincts led me to say no. After the show, I consulted two doctors I respect and, upon learning more about this procedure, I have concluded that I would support a ban. " ' The America We Deserve', by Donald Trump, p. 31-32

He was pro-choice until he decided to run as a Republican. Then he either had a road to Damascus moment ;or his position 'evolved ' like the emperor ,or he was just being politically opportunists . You decide . The way I see him flip on other issues makes me believe it's political opportunism .

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#16. To: tomder55 (#15)

He was pro-choice until he decided to run as a Republican.

I give him the benefit of the doubt.

When have you ever seen a pro choice democrat say they are pro choice but uncomfortable with the procedures.

He was never hard core abortion. Like say Hillary.

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