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New Discovery! 2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years 2024 and beyond in prophecy Questions Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: Is Obama setting the precident for Trump to act as king? Source: [None] URL Source: http://none Published: Dec 11, 2015 Author: Me Post Date: 2015-12-11 17:26:35 by Justified Keywords: None Views: 731 Comments: 10 Obama has abused the republic and the constitution by using Executive orders. In this same fashion I see Trump undoing everything Obama did with just the same orders and hopefully more. I would love to see Trump(or next president) erase Obama's damage one EO at a time. I must say it would be give me hope that Amerika had a chance. I want Trump to be a bull in the progressives tearoom making a big freakin mess of everything these POS have pushed on Amerika! basically payback is a bitch in heat! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Justified (#0) (Edited) act as king? More like ... God - antichrist --- judas - satan - traitor ! Look at the white house ... SF bath house --- safe house for the weather underground ! Look at the obomba gene pool ... snakes - voodoo - Marxist witchcraft --- jimmy jones - helter skelter - black magic ! Hopefully the good judgement of the good people will keep Trump in check ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys ! BorisY  posted on  2015-12-11   17:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Justified (#0) Of course the small government conservative Republicans cannot say such a thing, but I'm not a Republican, and I've always said I am a statist of the French variety. I want Trump to win, and I want none of the unilateral disarmament that small government conservative Republicans always do - selectively - when they get power. The Democrats bulldozer the filibuster rule to ram through their program, but the Republicans win back the Senate, and Mitch McConnell re-erects the rule, and then uses the rule HE revived as an excuse as to why Republicans can't get their agenda through. Well, I'm a statist. The state exists. It's powerful. And Obama has amassed a fearsome amount of power, by abusing the hell out of existing precedent. His abuses are now precedent themselves, because the Republicans ratified all of it via Congress and the Supreme Court. So now we have this massively powerful presidency. If Trump steps into the role, he's going to face a Congress controlled by two parties hostile to him, a Supreme Court divided between two parties both hostile to him. The media will hate him. He will have only the support of the majority of American people, and the full power of the Presidency, as expanded through the abuses of Obama and W and the Presidents who preceded them, back to FDR, Wilson, Lincoln and Jackson. The Democrats and Republicans are never shy about going right for what THEY really want. I'm not either. I want to see Trump use all that power, without hesitation or negotiation, to ram through his whole agenda - everything we voted for. If Congress enacts it, great. If they don't, impose it by executive order. If Congress resists, shut down the government and veto everything until they come to heel AND keep issuing executive orders. Give the veterans their benefits and treat the military and intelligence and armed forces with great respect - while Congress does not. Then, once you've enacted all of those things that are needed, pivot! Pivot and use the power of the Presidency and precedent to CEDE BACK to Congress, by formal legislation and Constitutional amendment, even, all of that power usurped by past Presidents. Once you've used the power of the Presidency as an emperor, urge formal amendments of the law and Constitution to then STRIP the Presidency of all of that excess power, so that no FUTURE president can UNDO what you've done - so that they have to go through a Congress, saved from irrelevancy BY an imperial President who showed their irrelevancy, then "graciously" ceded their power back to them, "for the good of the country", insisting on strong laws and procedural safeguards so that no future President has the power Trump wields. THAT, then, makes it virtually impossible to undo what Trump has done. Oh, and the Supreme Court? If they stand in the way, investigate them and prosecute their members. Impeach and remove them. Wear them out. Wear them down. Call them out for their personal conflicts of interest. Belittle them and break the respect for the institution. To save America and restore it, the Supreme Court must be BROKEN, and the precedent of Congressional and Presidential override be established. And to do that, pick the right ground, bring a case, get the unfavorable ruling, and DEFY IT - on CONSTITUTIONAL grounds. And because you're not removable, you set the same precedent that the Supreme Court did when they asserted judicial review. But this time, it is that all three branches of government have a duty to uphold the Constitution, so when the Supreme Court itself violates the Constitution, the Constitution has the effective safeguard built into it that the court has no police force and no enforcement mechanism. Outrageous opinions can be overruled and nullified the way Lincoln did many, and Jackson did one: veto by disregard. State that the court's decision is itself unconstitutional and ignore it. The Court has no recourse. Currently, we do not have a working Constitution. We already have the rule of men. The only way to RESTORE a Constitutional order is for a strong men to understand that, and use the full power OF a strong man, the bull in a China shop, smash down all of the corrupt edifices, restore the proper ones - by abusive force - and THEN tear down the precedents of abuse by new legislation that binds the hands of future Presidents forever, and diminishes their office. Example: the War Powers Act has been used to morph the President into the decider of war without Congress. SO, USE THAT POWER to destroy ISIS utterly, in an undeclared war, allied with Russia and the rest. THEN, victorious, meet with Congress and say: on review, this is not good, to restore the intent of the Constitution...and push through the Constitutional amendments and revisions that remove Presidential "flexibility" and compel a full on DoW from Congress before ANY troops are deployed. Abuse the overstretched powers to achieve your objective, and then HELP the traumatized Congress "restore the Constitutional norm" by clear, binding language and constitutional amendments that shackle every future President and Congress, so that no one can ever again do what you did. It's like the crony capitalist contributions. Trump understands them intimately, because he's engaged in them. To restore the Republic, he's in the best position to know how to effectively cut off the very practices that he used to get so rich and influential. He knows the pressure points, and he can therefore set rules that criminalize people in the future who try to do it the way he did it. That's what is needed - and utterly ruthless bully strongman willing to FULLY stretch and overstretch all of the powers on hand, to fix what needs fixing, and then give a traumatized Congress the support to rewrite the Constitution and laws to TAKE AWAY the ability of any President to do that again. THAT is how you abuse power to actually save the Republic. But to do that, you have to have an exceptional man who wants to do the right thing even though he has no incentive. Trump is probably the only one of his type we will see this century. In the 18th Century there was Washington. There was no such figure in the 19th. Lincoln came closest I guess. In the 20th it was FDR. In the 21st, Trump's the only one we're going to get like that. If not, then there will be no 22nd Century for this country. We'll be done. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-11   18:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Vicomte13 (#2) (Edited) did Napoleon ever relinquish the crown he placed on his head ? Dictators generally do not give up power voluntarily . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-12   5:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: tomder55 (#3) Napoleon was not really a dictator any more than King George III was. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-12   10:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Justified (#0) Executive Orders (EO) are nothing more than documented changes within the federal administration that orient specific matters of concern towards a focused issue. All US presidents perform these changes; it is their POWER as the president. EOs always operate with the confinemnet of federal law and EOs are subject to review by Congress and being dismissed within a reasonable period of tyme. Your question is stupid, in other words. buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-12   11:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Vicomte13, Y'ALL (#2) ----- we have this massively powerful presidency. If Trump steps into the role, he's going to face a Congress controlled by two parties hostile to him, a Supreme Court divided between two parties both hostile to him. The media will hate him. He will have only the support of the majority of American people, and the full power of the Presidency, as expanded through the abuses of Obama and W and the Presidents who preceded them, back to FDR, Wilson, Lincoln and Jackson. I want to see Trump use all that power, without hesitation or negotiation ----- You're exaggerating about "this massively powerful presidency." And in effect youre admitting it in your next paragraph: --- If Trump steps into the role, he's going to face a Congress controlled by two parties hostile to him, a Supreme Court divided between two parties both hostile to him. The media will hate him. He will have only the support of the majority of American people, and the full power of the Presidency, as expanded through the abuses of Obama and W and the Presidents who preceded them, back to FDR, Wilson, Lincoln and Jackson. And if he misuses that 'full power' he will lose majority support, and our system of checks and balances will operate with a nixonian vengeance, I want to see Trump use all that power, without hesitation or negotiation --- I want to see Trump get a chance to clean up the DC mess, -- but I won't hold my breath that he'll succeed. tpaine  posted on  2015-12-12   11:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Justified (#0) Is Obama setting the precident for Trump to act as king? Absolutely not. Once the Kenyan leaves off, the other two branches of government will suddenly reappear with all the checks and balances that they ceded to Øbama. Even impeachment will become possible again. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't cranky  posted on  2015-12-12   11:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: tpaine (#6) " I want to see Trump get a chance to clean up the DC mess, -- but I won't hold my breath that he'll succeed. " That is a very tall order. You are wise not to hold your breath. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton Stoner  posted on  2015-12-12   11:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Vicomte13 (#4) Napoleon was not really a dictator any more than King George III was. He was an 'enlightened' military dictator . I did not equate him with 20th century totalitarianism. He did not terminate opposition. He exiled them instead . Your comparison the George III is correct. He replaced one monarchy in France with another . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-12   12:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: tomder55 (#9) Not really. Napoleon was a man of the Revolution. It was a military time, and he was the most successful of all military man in an age that France desperately needed them. He was a hero to the French, and when presented with a plebiscite, they overwhelmingly approved him. He was a constitutional monarch, not an absolute one. He very much believed in the ideals of the Revolution, and sought to make them permanent through law and settled structures. Example: the Concordat with the Catholic Church. Napoleon's own religious faith consisted of a sort of genuflection to the Catholic forms, but he was neither pious nor devout. However, having lived through the Terror and seen the way that men without religion turned into violent beasts, he was a firm supporter of regular religious functioning. As he put it: "Religion is what keeps the poor from devouring the rich." We would see that as a cynical statement, but Napoleon meant it. Religion had a real utility, not a fake one: it kept the civil peace. Within France, he wasn't a military dictator either. The laws, courts and National Assembly operated normally. Obviously he was the martial law ruler of conquered territories. My comparison with George III was to compare one immensely powerful constitutional monarch with another. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-12   23:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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