At least 12 male officers were implicated in the ring, which operated for about 10 months before a electronics technician on another ship heard about the recordings and reported them. Of those 12 men, 10 were ultimately prosecuted and assigned punishments ranging from hard prison time to a pay cut.
The men were apparently able to film the women through a hole in the wall using cell phones and an iPod Touch—both of which are reportedly banned aboard the submarine. And it was a wonder they had any time left over to do their jobs (via the Navy Times):
One sailor admitted that he and a male peer rushed to secretly record each female midshipman while she was in the shower changing room. They filmed every woman each time she took a shower during the three-month patrol, he said — several times a day, according to a new report.
The men were casual about the videos—one missile technician, Jonathan Ashby, reportedly told investigators he learned about them from a colleague, MT2 Charles Greaves, who “informed me that he had ‘captured some Pokemon.’” (This year, Greaves was dishonorably discharged from the Navy and sentenced to two years in prison.)
But even though the case is over, it’s still somewhat unclear who was involved and who knew what—Greaves’ attorney reportedly accused the Navy of “ignoring information about several other sailors who knew about the videos, including two chiefs.” And at least one sailor avoided prosecution “because the only evidence against him was the statement of one other sailor.”
At least 12 male officers were implicated in the ring,
OFFICERS???????
That is a betrayal of the worst sort. I hope each officer and NCO involved in this gets the maximum amount of hard time and a DD out of this.
Not to mention having their asses stomped at least once a week.
Any officer or NCO doing something like this or allowing anyone else to do something like this to the people under their command that they are responsible for should be shot,but I know that won't happen so I hope they get the hard time.
WHAT? If you laughed at MASH, or watched a WW II movie you would know that this is an accepted and acceptable practice. It is not the #1 reason should not be fully integrated into the military, but it is #'s 2-10. I know, modern liberals have repealed the "law of the jungle". All men must see women as Comrades, women must see men as Comrades. There is no sex in the subs, Mommy Govt told them so.
If my daughter were on a submarine with men 18-25 years old, I would not like that they did this, but then again I would tell her I TOLD YOU SO.
The reason the shows were funny is THEY ARE TOTALLY REALISTIC. Put young men and young women together separated by nothing but a little bit of ingenuity and effort, they are gonna peek. They are also going to practice a bit of sex, no matter the punishment for it. It is as natural as getting wet if you fall in a lake. That is the reason they don't belong in military units together, on sports teams together, or in hotel suites together.
Would I want my wife to spend 6 months in a locked submarine with 40 men? Hell no, not going to happen. It isn't an issue of trust, it is just logical.
For the same reason I wouldn't want a homosexual male among straight males. Yes, temptation will happen for same or opposite sexual attraction. Ask prisoners in the local lockup.
If you place sexual beings into tight quarters for extended periods of time, they will have sex. Especially those that see nothing wrong with sodomy.
I would harshly punish homosexuals for something like this, it destroys friendships, at least among real men.
Sexually normal people just need environmental controls, like no women in their barracks, ships or boats.
What strikes me as bizarre is that the Navy apparently did nothing to cover up these tiny peepholes around the head and the changing rooms. Surely they know how to make a compartment more tight. It is a sub after all.
The subs and the ships should all be verified to be free of peepholes. You could also have instances where someone might make vids of Navy men to sell on the internet or to trade among collectors. There's a perv for everything on the internet, for every variety of "hidden cam" peepshow stuff.
The captain had forbidden these smaller devices like the iPod, allowing only tablets of 7" or greater. That sort of device with camera poses additional security risks. Recently, there was a case of a sub sailor prosecuted under the official secrets act because he took a few photos of vital control panels on the sub. The gauges made it clear what the operating range of the subsystems were, valuable information for a capable enemy like the Chinese or Russians. I think they were prosecuting him, asking for 30 years in prison for that. He didn't do anything with the photos, threw the phone away in a landfill which is where the Navy recovered it from, as I recall.
I bet the Navy is going to get a lot more strict about any gadgets than anyone is allowed to carry onto a sub or Navy ship. I wouldn't be surprised if they started doing searches and running some gear to detect if anyone is using an unauthorized device.
It is a serious security issue, one the Navy has obviously neglected.
I bet the Navy is going to get a lot more strict about any gadgets than anyone is allowed to carry onto a sub or Navy ship. I wouldn't be surprised if they started doing searches and running some gear to detect if anyone is using an unauthorized device.
Whoever the CMMFIC is that makes these decisions needs to be booted out of the Navy and lose his or her retirement. This is basic stuff,and I see duty aboard a boomer or an attack sub as the equivalent of a SF team going into isolation before a deployment,and every item they have with them inspected for the ability to become a security violation,and any found seized.
These people are supposed to be professionals,so they damn sure need to start conducting themselves in a professional manner.
These people are supposed to be professionals,so they damn sure need to start conducting themselves in a professional manner.
You would think they would raise the issue too. But everyone loves their little iPads and such.
When you recall things like the Walker family spy ring that operated for decades in the Navy, there is real need to batten down the hatches. And ban the gadgets.
When you recall things like the Walker family spy ring that operated for decades in the Navy, there is real need to batten down the hatches. And ban the gadgets.
IIRC,the only reason they caught John Walker was because he retired,and then tried to recruit his child who had joined the Navy to steal and furnish classified documents to him to sell to the Russians. Can't remember if they kid got caught and ratted him out for a deal,or if they kid just thought it was wrong and reported him.
