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Published: Dec 9, 2015
Author: paraclete
Post Date: 2015-12-09 00:39:22 by paraclete
Keywords: Islam, WWIII, Australia
Views: 3438
Comments: 14

Ex-Australia PM Tony Abbott says Islam must reform

Not to be outdone on the international stage, Tony Abbott former Prime Minister of Australia has made his feelings clear on Islam consigning it to lesser culture requiring reform. I have no doubt there will be some woolly headed individuals who will count this as hate speech, but he has the courage to say what the vast majority of people in the world feel, we have simply had enough of this crap religion, this 1,400 year old death cult

Tony Abbott said some Muslims were too ready to justify violence

Former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said Islam has a "massive problem" and needs to reform.

Writing in Australian media, Mr Abbott said "not all cultures are equal" and the West should stop apologising for defending its values.

Opposition leader Bill Shorten said the comments were "counterproductive".

Current Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said Mr Abbott was welcome to his opinion but that the vast majority of Muslims were peaceful.

Mr Turnbull told ABC Radio the one thing Australia must not do "is play into the hands of our enemies and seek to tag all Muslims with responsibility for the crimes of a few".

"Most of the victims of these terrorists who defame Islam, who blaspheme God, most of the victims of these terrorists are other Muslims, and that's a very important point to bear in mind," he said.

Nail Aykan, executive director of Islamic Council Victoria, told the BBC Mr Abbott's comments were "completely unhelpful at a time when we are trying to foster unity and social cohesion in Australian society".

He advised Mr Abbott to "go out and meet some real local Muslims and get their perspective before you start patronising a whole population".

'Not culturally insensitive'

Mr Abbott was removed as prime minister by a party vote in September amid poor poll ratings and is now a backbench MP. Before his political career he had trained to be a Catholic priest.

His letter, published in News Corps tabloids, cautioned against "demonising" Muslims, but said the West "can't remain in denial about the massive problem within Islam".

"Although most Muslims utterly reject terrorism, some are all too ready to justify 'death to the infidel'," he said.

"Islam never had its own version of the Reformation and the Enlightenment or a consequent acceptance of pluralism and the separation of church and state.

"It's not culturally insensitive to demand loyalty to Australia and respect for Western civilisation. Cultures are not all equal.

"We should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God."

He also said only Muslims could tackle supporters of violent extremism, and that "everyone interested in a safer world should be reaching out to 'live and let live' Muslims and encouraging them to reclaim their faith from the zealots".

Australia is involved in the US-led international military operation against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, and is increasingly concerned about Australians fighting with or supporting the militants.

Several raids have been carried out and officials says a number of plots have been disrupted. Last month, a teenage boy who police say had been radicalised shot dead a police worker in Sydney.

Mr Shorten said that "making assertions about cultural and religious superiority is entirely counter-productive".

"Inflammatory language undermines efforts to build social cohesion, mutual respect and has the potential to harm the efforts of national security agencies to keep Australians safe," he said, saying Mr Turnbull should "pull Tony Abbott into line".

Greens leader Richard Di Natale told Sky News Mr Abbott was "an incredibly divisive, destructive force" in Australian politics, while Labor MP Ed Husic - who is a Muslim - said he was begging MPs "to think carefully about what they are saying".

Tony Abbott is well known for his combative style and hs no intention of making life easy for the current PM

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#1. To: paraclete (#0)

Australia is crap and has worse issues with inequality than America does.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-09   1:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: paraclete, tomder55, CZ82 (#0)

Not to be outdone on the international stage, Tony Abbott former Prime Minister of Australia has made his feelings clear on Islam consigning it to lesser culture requiring reform. I have no doubt there will be some woolly headed individuals who will count this as hate speech, but he has the courage to say what the vast majority of people in the world feel, we have simply had enough of this crap religion, this 1,400 year old death cult

Actually if the Dhimmicrats and Dhimmerals are correct, and they are not, we should be more concerned with Mike Huckabee leading a Christian right wing militia terror campaign.

Let me know if you want to feast on some Muslim apologists. Loads over on the open portion of Christianforums.com

If you do, send me a note and I will ping you to the threads over there. Loads of Labor party Aussies over there. Two give me grief with their specious assertions.

Apparently, to the muslim apologists over there, Muhammad was a peaceful benevolent governor who only fought defensive campaigns. And Jihad is all about protecting Islamic states and not waging war against others. Funny how they "peacefully" ended up in Spain.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-09   1:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: paraclete (#0)

Writing in Australian media, Mr Abbott said "not all cultures are equal" and the West should stop apologising for defending its values.

Which set of values? The one that formed Europe for centuries or the most recent one?

A Pole  posted on  2015-12-09   5:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#2)

Funny how they "peacefully" ended up in Spain.

And France. And Sicily. And Morocco. And Algeria. And Tunisia. And Turkey. And at the gates of Vienna. And Russia. And Delhi. And the Philippines...

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-09   6:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: paraclete, redleghunter (#0)

Abbott and before him John Howard. Now there is leadership ! He will take heat for this even though before him Egyptian PM Sisi made similar comments about the need for a Muslim reformation

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-12-09   6:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tomder55, paraclete, redleghunter (#5)

the need for a Muslim reformation

The problem is that Wahabi Islamism is the Muslim Reformation. Like Cromwell Puritans with their version of radical return to supposed original purity and not less bloodthirsty.

A Pole  posted on  2015-12-09   7:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ebonytwix (#1)

Australia is crap and has worse issues with inequality than America does.

I like Australians that I meet.

But how can a people be so stupid as to let the government take all their guns. That is moronic.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-09   7:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)

" how can a people be so stupid as to let the government take all their guns. That is moronic. "

Yeah, just like Great Britain.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-12-09   10:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

And France. And Sicily. And Morocco. And Algeria. And Tunisia. And Turkey. And at the gates of Vienna. And Russia. And Delhi. And the Philippines...

And the Philippines...And England, and Denmark, and Germany, and the USA...

But this time without having to lift a sword.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-09   11:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A Pole (#6)

The problem is that Wahabi Islamism is the Muslim Reformation. Like Cromwell Puritans with their version of radical return to supposed original purity and not less bloodthirsty.

The Puritans eventually calmed down though.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-09   11:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: redleghunter (#9)

But this time without having to lift a sword.

But once they get there, they unsheathe the sword and stick it in their hosts' back. And their god lets them do it and praises them for it, because of Taqiyya.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-09   13:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#7) (Edited)

But how can a people be so stupid as to let the government take all their guns.

You are missinformed there are as many guns in Australia today as there were in 1996 when the buyback took place.

Australians cannot own assault weapons, all guns must be registered and there is a 28 day restriction period and a necessity to demonstrate that you have a legitimate purpose for ownership other than self protection. What this means is our cities arn't awash with high powered guns, it doesn't mean there are no deaths from gunshot

paraclete  posted on  2015-12-09   15:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter (#10)

The Puritans eventually calmed down though.

Perhaps, but their example shows that reformation can be a nasty thing. To repeat, Islamism IS the Muslim Reformation, to reform Islam to bring it back to supposed origins.

A Pole  posted on  2015-12-09   17:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A Pole (#13)

Well I can't argue with that.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-09   23:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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