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Title: Everyone Who Has Ever Worked With Ted Cruz Despises Him according to some dumb broad
Source: Burnt Orange Report
URL Source: http://www.burntorangereport.com/di ... ked-with-ted-cruz-despises-him
Published: Dec 4, 2015
Author: Katie Singh
Post Date: 2015-12-04 07:49:54 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 8721
Comments: 70

As the Republican clown car of presidential candidates continues to merrily roll along, there has been an interesting development over the past couple weeks. Ted Cruz is suddenly rising in the polls, inching above Ben Carson and closer to puzzlingly perpetual leader Donald Trump. It’s been so noticeable that some are even warning that the country should prepare for President Cruz.

But before we start preparing for a Cruz presidency and a subsequent move to Cruz’s home country of Canada, let’s take a step back and look at Cruz’s record — and the people who know him best. An excellent piece in yesterday’s New York Times did exactly that.

Frank Bruni’s editorial starts by setting up a hypothetical scenario:

“You’re evaluating candidates for an open job in your company, and you come across one who makes a big impression.

He’s clearly brilliant — maybe smarter than any of the others. He’s a whirlwind of energy. And man oh man can he give a presentation. On any subject, he’s informed, inflamed, precise.

But then you talk with people who’ve worked with him at various stages of his career. They dislike him.

No, scratch that.

They loathe him.

They grant him all of the virtues that you’ve observed, but tell you that he’s the antithesis of a team player. His thirst for the spotlight is unquenchable. His arrogance is unalloyed. He actually takes pride in being abrasive, as if a person’s tally of detractors measures his fearlessness, not his obnoxiousness.

Do you hire this applicant?

No way.”

In case you weren’t sure who he was talking about, that loathed colleague is none other than our junior senator, Ted Cruz.

At every level of Cruz’s career, Bruni couldn’t find anyone who would recommend him. But he did find plenty who despise him.

Take, for example, Ted Cruz’s freshman roommate, Craig Mazin, whose disdain knows no bounds:

I would rather have anybody else be the president of the United States. Anyone. I would rather pick somebody from the phone book.

How about the time Cruz worked on the Bush campaign in 2000? Surely someone must have liked him there. Sadly, no. Says one colleague:

“Why do people take such an instant dislike to Ted Cruz? It just saves time.”

The stories that have emerged from Cruz’s time at the Bush campaign have suggested that his colleagues had good reason to dislike him. According to former staffers, Cruz used to send his colleagues regular updates on his accomplishments, and shoot off late-night work emails so often that people thought he must have programmed them to go out while everyone was speaking. It’s no wonder that Cruz was the only high-level staffer not to get a White House job — instead he was sent off to the Federal Trade Commission, which writers regularly refer to as a sort of Siberian exile.

Even now, his former boss George W. Bush can sum up his feelings for Cruz in a single sentence: “I just don’t like the guy.”

Bruni’s editorial pointed to a recent tweet from former Bush campaign staffer Matthew Dowd, who said that “if truth serum was given to the staff of the 2000 Bush campaign,” an enormous percentage of them “would vote for Trump over Cruz.”

And Cruz’s time in the Senate hasn’t been much better. None of his Congressional colleagues can stand him, as we’ve previously noted. It’s easy to see why they might not like a guy who keeps a life-size oil painting of himself in his Capitol office.

There’s former House Speaker John Boehner, who, when “asked about Cruz at a fund-raiser last spring, …responded by raising a lone finger — the middle one.”

In the Senate, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his fellow Republicans hate Cruz so much that they recently refused to grant him even the most perfunctory procedural vote.

His fellow candidate and Senate colleague Rand Paul, summed up the consensus toward Cruz in the Senate thusly: “He’s pretty much done for and stifled, and it’s really because of personal relationships, or lack of personal relationships, and it is a problem.”

Bruni points out that the negativity toward Ted Cruz has gotten so bad that Cruz has finally been forced to acknowledge it. Cruz “spins it as the price invariably paid by an outsider who challenges the status quo, clings to principle and never backs down.” And yet, the original “maverick” himself, Senator John McCain has said that the attitude toward Cruz “is different than anything I’ve ever seen in my years here.” McCain himself can’t stand Cruz either — he’s denounced Cruz as a “wacko bird.”

So Ted Cruz is trying to convince the public that no one liking him is a good thing. It mean’s he’s principled, a rabble-rouser who can get things done. But dont be fooled. It’s a very bad thing. He’s unable to work with others, not even those who are supposed to be his closest allies. There’s no way he would be able to get anything done as president. Even if he got a fully Republican Congress, nobody would want to work with him. Look how tough it has been for President Obama to accomplish many of his goals because of the hostile Republican Congress that fights him at every turn — and he’s bent over backwards (sometimes too far) to accomodate them. Fellow Republicans have the same level of hostility toward Cruz, and he’s supposed to be one of their own. And that doesn’t even consider the potential for Cruz’s relationships with foreign leaders. As president, he’d make enemies on an international scale, and that’s downright dangerous for this country.

As Texans, we already know this – he’s done nothing at all for our state. It is up to us to publicize this at every turn until Cruz loses. The stakes are far too high for us to be complacent. We must share the fact that we know all too well with the rest of the nation — that when you Cruz, you lose.

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Even now, his former boss George W. Bush can sum up his feelings for Cruz in a single sentence: “I just don’t like the guy.”

Bruni’s editorial pointed to a recent tweet from former Bush campaign staffer Matthew Dowd, who said that “if truth serum was given to the staff of the 2000 Bush campaign,” an enormous percentage of them “would vote for Trump over Cruz.”

And Cruz’s time in the Senate hasn’t been much better. None of his Congressional colleagues can stand him, as we’ve previously noted. It’s easy to see why they might not like a guy who keeps a life-size oil painting of himself in his Capitol office.

There’s former House Speaker John Boehner, who, when “asked about Cruz at a fund-raiser last spring, …responded by raising a lone finger — the middle one.”

In the Senate, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his fellow Republicans hate Cruz so much that they recently refused to grant him even the most perfunctory procedural vote.

His fellow candidate and Senate colleague Rand Paul, summed up the consensus toward Cruz in the Senate thusly: “He’s pretty much done for and stifled, and it’s really because of personal relationships, or lack of personal relationships, and it is a problem.”

Bruni points out that the negativity toward Ted Cruz has gotten so bad that Cruz has finally been forced to acknowledge it. Cruz “spins it as the price invariably paid by an outsider who challenges the status quo, clings to principle and never backs down.” And yet, the original “maverick” himself, Senator John McCain has said that the attitude toward Cruz “is different than anything I’ve ever seen in my years here.” McCain himself can’t stand Cruz either — he’s denounced Cruz as a “wacko bird.”

I understand this was supposed to be a hit piece put out by the Bush Crime Family because they see Cruz as a traitor to the family and a threat to JEB,but when all those people that I despise speak out against him because he's not a team player,it really and truly makes me want to seriously consider him as a candidate worth voting for.

It's the "go along to get along" asshats that have us in the position we are in now,and I have nothing but contempt for every one of the asshats that is mentioned in this hit piece as being anti-Cruz.

Having personal enemies like those people speaks highly for his character.

Ted Cruz just emerged as the only alleged Republican candidate I can consider voting for.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   8:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0)

Take, for example, Ted Cruz’s freshman roommate, Craig Mazin, whose disdain knows no bounds:

How many times do we have to hear from the freshman roommate? And who is he anyway? Why should we have such regard for his opinions?

Even now, his former boss George W. Bush can sum up his feelings for Cruz in a single sentence: “I just don’t like the guy.”

Bush is far more unpopular than Cruz is.

There’s former House Speaker John Boehner, who, when “asked about Cruz at a fund-raiser last spring, …responded by raising a lone finger — the middle one.” In the Senate, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his fellow Republicans hate Cruz so much that they recently refused to grant him even the most perfunctory procedural vote.

Offending Beltway royalty like Boehner and McConnell is one of Cruz's primary virtues.

I notice this is another also-ran Lefty blog from Texas. We've seen these "Texas" libs before, peddling garbage about Dumbya like the fake Air Guard stories in the 2004 election (by another "Texan", Dan Rather).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-04   8:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#1)

It's the "go along to get along" asshats that have us in the position we are in now,

Well the problem is that Cruz is an asshat ideologue who can't get along with anybody except himself... Fascist analogies are worn-out and ineffective, but the creep really does fit the stereotype of a right-wing Banana Republic dictator.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-12-04   8:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#2)

How many times do we have to hear from the freshman roommate? And who is he anyway?

The Wikipedia says he's a screenwriter who worked for Disney and has a half-dozen or so films to his credit. Craig Mazin

Why should we have such regard for his opinions?

Because he had to sleep in the same room as Cruz for a year?

Cripes... you'd think that would be enough to creep anybody out!

Willie Green  posted on  2015-12-04   8:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative, Willie Green, redleghunter (#2)

wow freshman roommate !! My 1st semester my roommate and I hung sheets across the room so we would not see each other .

Before he was at FTC he was the Department of Justice coordinator for the Bush- Cheney transition team and then spent six months as Associate Deputy Attorney General at the DOJ. Yeah Bush must've really hated him . He played a key roll in the Bush recount team in 2000.

For an alternate view of Cruz' time at FTC read :

At the FTC, Cruz’s agenda could have been written by Milton Friedman.

Cruz promoted economic liberty and fought government efforts to rig the marketplace in favor of special interests. Most notably, Cruz launched an initiative to study the government’s role in conspiring with established businesses to suppress e-commerce. This initiative ultimately led the U.S. Supreme Court to open up an entire industry to small e-tailers. Based on his early support of disruptive online companies, Cruz has some grounds to call himself the “Uber of American politics.”

Moreover, and perhaps surprising to some, Cruz sought and secured a broad, bipartisan consensus for his agenda. Almost all of Cruz’s initiatives received unanimous support among both Republicans and Democrats.

Ted Cruz a consensus-builder? He was, at the FTC.

From the start of his tenure in 2001, Cruz strategically reoriented the FTC to focus on ways in which government restricts competition. To lay a foundation, Cruz organized a conference on regulatory barriers to e-commerce. Large online companies, such as Amazon and eBay, explained that government regulation and legacy laws threatened the growth of e-commerce. For example: funeral licensing laws meant online retailers could not legally sell caskets into certain states, even though they typically offered much lower prices. Other laws hampered online sales of cars, contact lenses, and legal and medical services.

In response, no brick-and-mortar company defended the government’s role … in regulating other industries.

Instead, like taxi cab drivers in New York or “green” energy companies demanding subsidies, every special interest argued that his particular industry uniquely required protection from competition.

The auto dealers complained that cars were too “sophisticated” for e-commerce, the funeral dealers explained that caskets were a product for “a very sensitive and specific time,” and the lawyers expounded that “we’re talking about something very different when we’re talking about access to the justice system.”

Cruz had little patience for anyone who sought to use the government to limit competition.

After the conference, Cruz testified at a hearing supporting the online sales of contact lenses and pushed the FTC to file an amicus brief supporting online casket vendors. Cruz also initiated a comprehensive study of the wine industry, which found that online competition lowered prices without increasing underage drinking. The study’s findings were ultimately embraced by the Supreme Court and by state legislatures around the country, who opened an entire industry to online competition and new small businesses.

Beyond the e-commerce initiative, Cruz also reoriented the FTC’s use of antitrust laws. For most of its history, the FTC has focused on private conduct that harms competition, such as (allegedly) anticompetitive mergers. Under Cruz’s leadership, the FTC instead targeted governmental conduct that harms competition. For example, the FTC successfully sued a state dental board to open the dental market to competition from non-dentists. This type of lawsuit primarily helped lower-income individuals, who would get more and cheaper options for basic health care.

Cruz also sent dozens of letters to states to fight new efforts to enshrine crony capitalism. Cruz sent a letter to New York to challenge a legislative attempt to impose a “minimum markup” on the sale of gasoline. This bill was a naked attempt to force gas stations to raise prices, but was couched as helping consumers. Cruz also sent letters to promote competition in financial services and energy markets. Through it all, Cruz kept his focus on the ultimate little guy -- the consumer.

Perhaps surprisingly, Cruz secured a high degree of consensus in pursuing his agenda.

As an independent agency, the FTC has five commissioners, and during Cruz’s tenure, two of them had served in President Clinton’s administration. All five commissioners voted to support almost all of Cruz’s proposals.

Cruz achieved this consensus by listening to policy experts and political opponents. He listened to the FTC’s economic experts and marshaled empirical economic analysis to support his policy objectives. He solicited input from prominent Democrats, including the late Senator Howard Metzenbaum, who spoke at the e-commerce conference. In addition, Cruz worked to develop personal relationships across the aisle. He regularly met with Democratic commissioners and incorporated their ideas into his policy proposals.

What does all this tell us about a prospective Cruz administration?

Based on his record, a President Cruz would fight for free markets and against crony capitalists. Indeed, in his campaign, Cruz has spoken out against ethanol subsidies -- to farmers in Iowa, no less -- and against the FCC’s anticompetitive net neutrality rules. Cruz also supports a flat tax, which would improve the transparency of the tax code and limit handouts to special interests.

Moreover, a Cruz administration would seek meaningful change, and where possible, broad bipartisan support. Cruz is not one to nibble around the edges or bow to entrenched interests, but he does listen to experts and seek support from all quarters. If President Cruz becomes a reality, future historians might point to his time at the FTC as a harbinger of a presidency that is both conservative and consequential.

https://pjmedia.com/blog/what-no-one-seems-to-know-about-ted-cruzs-past/? singlepage=true#

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-12-04   8:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#3) (Edited)

Well the problem is that Cruz is an asshat ideologue who can't get along with anybody except himself...

Since the people named are the Bush Crime Family and McLunatic,that is damning him with high praise. Anyone that DOES get along with them is not to be trusted and unfit to hold public office.

IMHO,Cruz is now a serious contender for my vote.

Fascist analogies are worn-out and ineffective, but the creep really does fit the stereotype of a right-wing Banana Republic dictator.

Not only worn-out,but in your example 180 degrees off-target. Fascism is a LEFT-WING idealogy,and more in line with the DNC,today's GOP, and the Donald.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   9:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#1)

I understand this was supposed to be a hit piece put out by the Bush Crime Family because they see Cruz as a traitor to the family and a threat to JEB,but when all those people that I despise speak out against him because he's not a team player,it really and truly makes me want to seriously consider him as a candidate worth voting for.

I'm with you. If everybody I loathe hates somebody, he's probably a good guy.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-04   9:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tomder55 (#5)

Excellent information, Tomder. This is a concrete reason to like Cruz.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-04   9:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Willie Green (#0)

But before we start preparing for a Cruz presidency and a subsequent move to Cruz’s home country of Canada, let’s take a step back and look at Cruz’s record — and the people who know him best. An excellent piece in yesterday’s New York Times did exactly that.


The problem here is the source, the new york slimes is a party of the democrat hit sheet two bit left wing tabloid.

Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-12-04   9:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

I'm with you. If everybody I loathe hates somebody, he's probably a good guy.

Absolutely!

At a bare minimum we know he is not one of them,and that alone is enough reason to consider voting for him.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   9:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BobCeleste (#9)

The problem here is the source, the new york slimes is a party of the democrat hit sheet two bit left wing tabloid.

Which means it also speaks for the RNC.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   9:34:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#6)

Fascism is a LEFT-WING idealogy

You're nutz.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-12-04   9:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Willie Green (#12)

fas·cism ÈfaSHÌizYm/

noun

noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

He might be nutz but I still like the guy.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-04   9:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Willie Green (#4)

has a half-dozen or so films to his credit.

Scary Movie 3 and Scary Movie 4.

Roscoe  posted on  2015-12-04   9:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Willie Green (#4)

Because he had to sleep in the same room as Cruz for a year?

Cripes... you'd think that would be enough to creep anybody out!

Honestly.

Pebbles strikes again on the headline. And folks wonder why almost no women post here.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-04   10:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Willie Green, sneakypete (#12)

Fascism is a LEFT-WING idealogy

You're nutz.

Left wingers are always angels and have the purest motives, right Willie?

Whether the totalitarianism you seem to have so much admiration for has Left or right wing roots - I doubt it matters to those in the prisons or gulags that always seem to magically appear in these hell-holes.

"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . "

~Psalm 33:12a

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-12-04   10:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fred Mertz (#15) (Edited)

And folks wonder why almost no women post here.

Gotta agree with you on that one, Fred.

Geeesh . . .

"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . "

~Psalm 33:12a

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-12-04   10:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Fred Mertz (#15)

Pebbles strikes again on the headline.

Yep... it's an impressive display of absolute authority... he's clever beyond comprehension.... it just makes me shit my shorts I tell ya!!!

Willie Green  posted on  2015-12-04   10:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tomder55 (#5)

After the conference, Cruz testified at a hearing supporting the online sales of contact lenses and pushed the FTC to file an amicus brief supporting online casket vendors. Cruz also initiated a comprehensive study of the wine industry, which found that online competition lowered prices without increasing underage drinking. The study’s findings were ultimately embraced by the Supreme Court and by state legislatures around the country, who opened an entire industry to online competition and new small businesses.

Beyond the e-commerce initiative, Cruz also reoriented the FTC’s use of antitrust laws. For most of its history, the FTC has focused on private conduct that harms competition, such as (allegedly) anticompetitive mergers. Under Cruz’s leadership, the FTC instead targeted governmental conduct that harms competition. For example, the FTC successfully sued a state dental board to open the dental market to competition from non-dentists. This type of lawsuit primarily helped lower-income individuals, who would get more and cheaper options for basic health care.

And all the pundimwits say the Dhimmicrats fear Rubio:) Yes, I used "Dhimmicrats." I encourage all to use it:)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-04   10:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: tomder55 (#5)

Another thread Willie thought was going well for him.

You rained on his parade:)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-04   10:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: redleghunter (#19)

Dhimmicrats

perfect !

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-12-04   10:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter (#20)

Another thread Willie thought was going well for him.

Green Willie is mentally ill. A very sick individual.

He just hates Cruz because Cruz hasn't performed any abortions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-04   10:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tomder55 (#5)

Good post. Cruz is an honorable good man.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-04   10:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: redleghunter (#20)

Another thread Willie thought was going well for him.

You rained on his parade:)

Who watches the watchers ?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-12-04   10:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)

He just hates Cruz because Cruz hasn't performed any abortions.

Any taxpayer funded abortions. On a train.

Roscoe  posted on  2015-12-04   10:25:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tomder55, Willie Green (#5)

Instead, like taxi cab drivers in New York or “green” energy companies demanding subsidies, every special interest argued that his particular industry uniquely required protection from competition.

The auto dealers complained that cars were too “sophisticated” for e-commerce, the funeral dealers explained that caskets were a product for “a very sensitive and specific time,” and the lawyers expounded that “we’re talking about something very different when we’re talking about access to the justice system.”

Cruz had little patience for anyone who sought to use the government to limit competition.

Yeah, but some Lefty Disney screenwriter hack was his frosh roomie so Cruz is a scumbag.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-04   13:38:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TooConservative (#26)

Yeah, but some Lefty Disney screenwriter hack was his frosh roomie so Cruz is a scumbag.

Cruz probably complained about his roommates' boyfriends coming in all the time:)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-04   13:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Roscoe (#14) (Edited)

Scary Movie 3 and Scary Movie 4.

They're both crap. Only the first two are funny at all. They have the Wayan brothers.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-04   13:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Roscoe (#25)

Any taxpayer funded abortions. On a train.

Now you're being silly. It has to be taxpayer-funded abortions on a high-speed train.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-04   13:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#10)

Yes.

I like Trump. You don't, but he's my favorite.

I like Carson, but I don't think he should be president because of his knowledge base. Still, if he were the nominee, I'd vote for him.

I'd vote for Cruz too. Trump/Cruz would be a good ticket by me.

Rand Paul is at the cusp of what I would have tolerated, but he came after Trump like some member of the Establishment, to try to gain points with people I loathe. So, I WOULD HAVE voted for Paul if he were the nominee, but thanks to his jackassery regarding Trump, I will not vote for him.

I would tolerate a Trump/Rubio, or Trump/Whomever ballot for the same reason that I would tolerate a Reagan/Bush ballot. Trump is President, not the GOP-e guy.

I wouldn't LIKE it, but I would tolerate it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-04   13:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: tomder55 (#24)

Who watches the watchers ?

Depends.

Are they hot?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-04   13:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Willie Green (#0)

Anita Hill attacking Clarence Thomas is ... what made Andrew Breitbart --- a conservative !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-12-04   14:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Willie Green (#12)

Fascism is a LEFT-WING idealogy

Market forces --- right wing --- invisible hand Adam Smith !

Left wing ... govt forces --- socialism - big daddy - brother !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2015-12-04   14:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Willie Green (#12)

Fascism is a LEFT-WING idealogy

You're nutz.

No,but you are ignorant of history.

The fascists in Germany were allies with the communists in the USSR. Birds of a feather,right up to the point where they invaded the lefts Holy Land. Suddenly,like some sort of miracle,they because "right wingers" in the US media.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   18:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Fred Mertz, Willie Green (#13)

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

He might be nutz but I still like the guy.

No,you guys are the ones that are nuts.

Even the Nazi's called themselves socialists. It was the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY.

The prime difference between the Nazi's and the Soviets were the Soviets were internationalists,and the Nazi's were Nationalists.

They were allies to the point that Stalin even leased out large tracts in the USSR for the Nazi's to develop their weapons and tactics in prior to the beginning of WW-2.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   18:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Green Willie is mentally ill. A very sick individual.

No,he is just the product of his environment. He was raised in the northeast,not America.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   18:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

I like Trump. You don't, but he's my favorite.

Ok.

I like Carson, but I don't think he should be president because of his knowledge base. Still, if he were the nominee, I'd vote for him.

I'm pretty much in agreement there.

I'd vote for Cruz too.

I now think I will be voting for him,but of course it is really still too early to stake out territory.

Trump/Cruz would be a good ticket by me.

And your train just left the track. I still think Trump is going to accept a payoff from the DNC to drop out of the race late and there is too little time for any of the Republican candidates to really get organized. He will then spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been president,but decided the job was beneath me."

I passed that point a few elections ago when I finally faced the FACT that if you keep voting for shitheads because they are slightly less of a shithead than their opponents,you are still voting for shitheads,and that's all you are going to get to vote for in the future.

I am still on record as saying what we need to do is change the primary system so another block is open to fill in,named "None of the Above",and that in any election where "None of the Above" gets the most votes the parties that participated in that election MUST run another election and this time fund it entirely from their own funds. No federal matching funds,and no private contributions allowed. If anything would get us better candidates,it would be that.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-04   18:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete, Fred Mertz, Willie Green (#35)

Even the Nazi's called themselves socialists. It was the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY.

This comes up repeatedly.

During the rising tide of the Nazi party from its early years with Hitler ranting at working class crowds, the Nazi street fighters were the Sturmabteilungen. The S.A.

The S.A. was always the vanguard of the socialism part of national socialism. The S.S. itself was a branch of S.A. that was separated off and put under Himmler instead of the S.A. leader Ernst Rohm.

Roehm, a notorious homosexual was supposedly caught in bed with a teen boy on the Night of the Long Knives.

The SA have been known in contemporary times as "Brownshirts" from the color of their uniform shirts, similar to Benito Mussolini's blackshirts. The SA developed pseudo-military titles for its members. The SA ranks were adopted by several other Nazi Party groups, chief amongst them the Schutzstaffel (SS), which originated as a branch of the SA before being separated. Brown-coloured shirts were chosen as the SA uniform because a large batch of them were cheaply available after World War I, having originally been ordered during the war for colonial troops posted to Germany's former African colonies.[1]

The SA became disempowered after Adolf Hitler ordered the "blood purge" of 1934. This event became known as the Night of the Long Knives. The SA was effectively superseded by the SS, although it was not formally dissolved and banned until after the Third Reich's final capitulation to the Allied powers in 1945.

In essence, Hitler wanted power and the German industrialists and military would not accept him until he purged the Nazi party of the S.A. element. Which is what he did.

Until 1934, the Nazis had plenty of socialism and could be seen as part of a recurrence centuries-long group of German peasants who had a certain loot-the-rich mentality. You also had a lot of disgruntled military officers from longstanding military families who lost their positions in the military under the restrictions of the small German military under the Treaty of Versailles.

So after 1934, the Nazis were just about nationalism. They murdered their socialism, once and for all. And the aim of their nationalism was, ultimately, lebensraum in eastern Europe and Russia.

Even Hitler was afraid to execute Rohm, tried to get him to commit suicide instead. So this gives some notion of how much socialism actually was a big part of the political appeal of the Nazi Party before Hitler took full power and instituted a totalitarian regime of nationalism.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-04   18:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#34)

The fascists in Germany were allies with the communists in the USSR.

Baloney... they signed a nonaggression pact promising not to attack each other... but that didn't make them allies for cripesake...

In fact, the Spanish Civil war was essentially a proxy war between Germany & the Soviets;

  • Germany & Fascist Italy supported Francisco Franco and the right-wing Nationalists
  • The Soviets & Stalin supported the communist losers

    Hitler, Mussolini & Franco were all jack-booted right-wing thugs.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-12-04   18:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#37)

I don't think Trump is a shithead. I've listened to what he says on his campaign, and I agree with almost all of it. That is not true of any other candidate I can think of before.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-04   18:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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