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Title: Yes Jefferson did have a role in the crafting of the Constitution
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini ... -constitution-column/76271256/
Published: Nov 24, 2015
Author: David Mastio
Post Date: 2015-11-24 04:43:14 by tomder55
Keywords: Carson, Jefferson, Constitution
Views: 736
Comments: 6

Ha, ha, ha. Boy, thatBenCarson sure made a fool of himself on C-Span the other day. He said Thomas Jefferson "tried to craft our Constitution in a way that it would control people's natural tendencies."

Critics pounced. Jefferson didn't craft our Constitution, they said. He was on the other side of the Atlantic acting as the U.S. minister in France at the time of the Constitutional Convention. As Politico put it: Jefferson crafted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

What a dope that Carson guy is. How did he ever get to be a surgeon? I'm laughing so hard, I gotta wipe tears from my eyes.

Except, wait a minute, hmmmm, here's an interesting historical footnote to the Constitutional Convention. At the time, an early version of email was available. It was the social media of its day, called "letters." Important people, say, the U.S. minister in France, could give pieces of paper to ship captains who'd take them by boat all the way to Philadelphia. In Philadelphia, other important people would read words scratched onto the paper and respond in kind with a "reply."

In this fashion, early Americans could discuss important matters like constitutions and other government stuff ministers would care about. This was called "correspondence."

Guess who was writing these letter thingies? Thomas Jefferson.

And do you know who was replying? George Washington and James Madison, among the most important framers of our Constitution.

So here's the crazy thing: Jefferson, Madison, Washington and others were discussing how the U.S. Constitution should be written.

After the Constitution Convention was over, Jefferson had this other idea called a "Bill of Rights," which you might have heard is a part of the Constitution. Jefferson sorta played a key role in all that First Amendment, Second Amendment stuff. If you don't believe me, go ask the American Civil Liberties Union, which is big on rights like free speech and freedom of religion.

Saith the ACLU: "The American Bill of Rights, inspired by Jefferson and drafted by James Madison, was adopted, and in 1791 the Constitution's first 10 amendments became the law of the land."

The ACLU even quotes Jefferson's argument: "A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse."

To get the basics of Jefferson's role in the creation of the Bill of Rights, which are, as I mentioned, a pretty important part of the Constitution, all you have to do is read the Spark Notes version. Or you can get it in easy Q&A format from the U.S. Archives.

All that laughing I did at Carson's expense? I take it back. I guess he sorta did know what he was talking about, after all.

David Mastio is the deputy editorial page editor of USA TODAY

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Here is a typical hit piece by CNN about Carson's interview .

'Carson flubs Thomas Jefferson's role in the Constitution'

)—Asked during a Sunday interview on C-SPAN to name the Founding Father "who impressed you most," retired neurosurgeon and GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson chose the man from Monticello.

Why?

"Jefferson," he said, "seemed to have very deep insight into the way that people would react and tried to craft our Constitution in a way that it would control people's natural tendencies and control the natural growth of the government."

But as the Washington Post noted Monday morning, Jefferson was a no-show at the Constitutional Convention and was instead an ocean away in Paris as Minister to France, while his North American-based colleagues were crafting the foundational document.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/ben-carson-thomas-jefferson-constitution- founding-fathers/

But a quick web search shows that Jefferson did indeed have a role in the shaping of the Constitution . 'Although Thomas Jefferson was in France serving as United States minister when the Federal Constitution was written in 1787, he was able to influence the development of the federal government through his correspondence.'

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jefffed.html

'Other U.S. Founding Fathers were not there, but made significant contributions in other ways. Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence, was serving as ambassador to France at the time of the Convention. He kept abreast of the proceedings in Philadelphia by carrying on correspondence with James Madison. John Adams, as ambassador to Great Britain, wrote "Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the United States of America." '

https://www.constitutionfacts.com/us-founding-fathers/

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-24   4:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tomder55 (#0)

As Politico put it: Jefferson crafted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Jefferson mostly plagiarized the Declaration from a letter circulated among the more radical Presbyterian elders. Comparing the texts and key phrases, there is no denying that Jefferson merely edited it.

Jefferson was quite important in his influence via his legislation in his own home state, Virginia. He was the protege and successor of the author of the Constitution, Madison, who preceded him as president. MA and VA are the two most important states historically, Virginia in large part due to Madison and Jefferson coming from there and the role it played in the Civil War.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-24   6:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tomder55 (#0)

" Yes Jefferson did have a role in the crafting of the Constitution "

Yep, score several points for Ben Carson, bunch of negative points for those that denigrated him on this issue.

" All that laughing I did at Carson's expense? I take it back. I guess he sorta did know what he was talking about, after all.

David Mastio"

I like the way Mr.Mastio wrote the piece. Funny. :

" At the time, an early version of email was available. It was the social media of its day, called "letters." Important people, say, the U.S. minister in France, could give pieces of paper to ship captains who'd take them by boat all the way to Philadelphia. In Philadelphia, other important people would read words scratched onto the paper and respond in kind with a "reply."

In this fashion, early Americans could discuss important matters like constitutions and other government stuff ministers would care about. This was called "correspondence."

Guess who was writing these letter thingies? Thomas Jefferson. "

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Stoner  posted on  2015-11-24   6:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#2)

Jefferson mostly plagiarized the Declaration from a letter circulated among the more radical Presbyterian elders. Comparing the texts and key phrases, there is no denying that Jefferson merely edited it.

Yes ,it's clear that Jefferson compiled the thoughts of the delegates and added flourish . Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Roger Sherman, Robert Livingston were all instrumental in the initial draft .Adams and Franklin both edited Jefferson's draft ,and it was further edited by the 2nd Continental Congress.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-24   6:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner (#3)

I like the way Mr.Mastio wrote the piece. Funny. :

yes, he effectively mocks the smug reporters who have been trying to torpedo the Carson campaign. That he published this on the USA Today editorial pages as the deputy editorial page editor is refreshingly surprising.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-24   7:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tomder55 (#5)

" That he published this on the USA Today editorial pages as the deputy editorial page editor is refreshingly surprising. "

Yes, that is really amazing.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-11-24   8:03:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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