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politics and politicians Title: The Return of GOP Islamophobia Marco Rubio appeared on This Week yesterday morning, where he took umbrage at Hillary Clinton’s statement that the United States is “at war with jihadists” but not “at war with Islam.” Rubio declared himself baffled by Clinton’s carefully parsed distinctions. “I don't understand it,” said Rubio. “That would be like saying we weren't at war with the Nazis, because we were afraid to offend some Germans who may have been members of the Nazi Party, but weren't violent themselves.” If we tease out Rubio’s metaphor, the Muslim faith as a whole is equivalent to Nazism, and violent jihadi terrorists are the equivalent of the Nazi leadership. Rubio has a knack for grasping the midpoint of Republican Party doctrine at any given moment, and his comments reflect the party’s renewed conviction that the war against terrorists must be defined in the broadest possible terms. The Obama administration, like the Bush administration before it, believes in defining the conflict in the most narrow terms. There is a very good reason for this. The United States is not actually at war with Islam. Non-extremist Muslims account for the lion's share of the victims of jihadist terror, and are needed as allies in the conflict. Air strikes and counterterrorism may be important tools against ISIS, but in the long run, we need non-radicals to maintain the loyalties of the majority of the Muslim world. If the Muslim world gravitates toward its most extreme elements, the West will find itself in an unwinnable struggle against an enemy that can generate fighters moving invisibly among 1.6 billion people worldwide. The radicals want to persuade the rest of the Muslims that they represent Islam writ large in a clash against Christians and Jews. The West’s strategy is predicated on breaking down this link, making it as hard as possible for them to claim that the West is at war with Islam as a whole. And yet, since the Bush administration departed the scene, Republicans have jettisoned Bush’s cautious strategy of distinguishing between Islam and its violent minority. A catalyzing event in the party’s Islamophobic turn was a now mostly forgotten 2010 episode in which conservatives grew hysterical over a plan to build a Muslim cultural center in lower Manhattan. Mainstream Republicans like Mitt Romney and Rubio denounced the center. (Chris Christie, who spoke forcefully against rising Islamophobia, was already an outlier among his party.) The attacks in Paris reinvigorated this impulse. Republicans as a whole have seized upon a need to broaden the terms of the conflict as their main point of differentiation with the Democrats. In a new op-ed today, Romney insists, “We must begin by identifying the enemy. We will not defeat it if we are afraid to call it by its name.” He cites no historical examples of wars that were lost due to leaders failing to identify their enemy with the correct verbiage — he simply treats the strategic value of offending Muslims as self-evident. On the other end of the party spectrum, Donald Trump is issuing inflammatory calls to close down mosques. Figures like Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush are calling for the United States to admit only Christian refugees, thereby positioning the United States as indifferent to ISIS’s primary victims. And Rubio has rushed out a new video in which he vaguely demands a “clash of civilizations.” Rubio plays it a bit coy, repeatedly describing the conflict as “them” and “us,” without specifying who is them and who is us. This is a characteristically Rubio-esque evasion that allows the most rabid Islamophobes to read his position as a call for a Crusades-style war between Christianity and Islam, but without tying Rubio explicitly to such a formulation. (He can always insist that he meant “us” to include non-violent Muslims.) The problem, of course, is that the most inflammatory interpretation of Rubio’s words is available not only to Christian culture warriors but also to Islamic culture warriors. Indeed, the entire Republican Party has transformed itself into a propaganda machine working in effect, if not intent, to reinforce ISIS’s message that the Christian and Muslim worlds are locked in violent, unresolvable conflict. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest "Non-extremist Muslims account for the lion's share of the victims of jihadist terror, and are needed as allies in the conflict." Non-extremist Muslims are not acting like allies. I don't see them condemning the extremists. I don't see them kicking the extremists out of the mosques. I don't see them denouncing Wahhabism taught at the madrassas.
#2. To: misterwhite (#1) You're not looking.
#3. To: Willie Green (#0) "where he took umbrage at Hillary Clinton’s statement that the United States is “at war with jihadists” but not “at war with Islam.” Seems to me that it was Stephanopolous who "took umbrage". He's the one who brought it up: STEPHANOPOLUOS: You saw Secretary Clinton there did not want to to use the words "radical Islam." Your response? RUBIO: I think that's -- I don't understand it. That would be like saying we weren't at war with the Nazis, because we were afraid to offend some Germans who may have been members of the Nazi Party, but weren't violent themselves.
#4. To: Willie Green (#2) "You're not looking." You have some examples?
#5. To: Willie Green (#0) Most people of good will have a "live-and-let-live" attitude. If a muslim family were to move next door to me, I'm not going to care if they want to PEACEFULLY practice their religion. I don't really care if they wish to pray to Mecca five times a day. But if they wish to force me to do so, that's a prayer rug of a different color. Then there's going to be a problem. And Willie, here's some advice. You really need to stop seeing the "gop" as the source of all the evil in the world. Take my word for it - Ted Cruz, Mitch (the Turtle) McConnell and George W. Bush ARE NOT hiding under your bed Any "responding" that the US does to the Paris attacks will be under the full control of the boy emperor and his cabal. All the gop will do is give it it's blessing "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . " ~Psalm 33:12a #6. To: misterwhite (#4)
#7. To: Willie Green (#0) Non-extremist Muslims account for the lion's share of the victims of jihadist terror, and are needed as allies in the conflict Why? Are Muslims doing anything against the onslaught by their own fellow Muslims, besides running like little girls from a spider in the room? I watch as President 0 is talking lovingly about the poor little refugees fleeing, as if they are families, WHEN WITH OUR OWN EYES WE SEE THEY ARE HEALTHY MILITARY AGED MEN.
#8. To: Willie Green (#6) Isn't the Marxist Fantasy Land a perfectly wonderful place to be? It's all lovely and peaceful here. Just watch your feet. Don't fall over all of those bodies. Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS #9. To: Willie Green (#2) You're not looking. Supposedly over a billion non-extremist Muslims and they can't control such a small group of radicals. Sounds to me like they want this to happen. At the very least, they are not overly concerned. Remember, the extremist want to create lots of casualties, military and civilian, as long as the casualties are not "innocent Muslims". Continue being the ignorant "infidel". They will not be any more gentle while they cut your head off for all the understanding and sympathy you are affording them.
#10. To: jeremiad (#7) WHEN WITH OUR OWN EYES WE SEE THEY ARE HEALTHY MILITARY AGED MEN. You just put your finger on the entire problem with lefties, they live divorced from reality, and make up how they wish it was. The only enemy to scum like them are people who see the emperor is naked.
#11. To: Willie Green (#0) (Edited) Marco Rubio appeared on This Week yesterday morning, where he took umbrage at Hillary Clinton’s statement that the United States is “at war with jihadists” but not “at war with Islam.” This is a lie . He did not say “at war with Islam.” He said " "We are at war with radical Islam. With an interpretation of Islam by a significant number of people around the world that they believe now justifies them killing people who don’t agree with their ideology." He is right . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? #12. To: All (#11) btw ,it was Evita who switched the language in the debate . The Q & A on 'This Week' can be found here . They start with the video of Evita at the debate where SHE changed the words and the premise from ' war with radical Islam ' to 'war with Islam' .
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/15/rubio-on-radical-islam-we-didnt-avoid- saying-nazi-to-not-offend-germans/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? #13. To: misterwhite, WIllie Green, All (#1)
Our leftist appartachik tool here is immune to the truth. He only can spew the leftist propaganda de jure. Their philosophy is that we must understand and accept ISIS. We must treat them with kindness. We must not realize that the vast majority of Muslims wants ISIS to succeed in pulling down the West and see the establishment of a global Caliphate. We must welcome ISIS onto our soil and into our communities, schools, churches and even our government. And most of all we must be tolerant of them killing us and our children until they recognize the error of their ways. If we do not do all of these things he will say that you are playing into ISIS's hands as they really want us and the rest of the world to engage them in face- to-face battle. He will tell you that if we did srike hard at ISIS all of the so-called moderate Muslims who he claims really do not support ISIS will take our actions as an afront to Islam itself and decide to really support ISIS. Wille Boy and his ilk are truly a disease, a cancer on Western and every other decent culture on the planet. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #14. To: tomder55, Willie Green (#11) He said " "We are at war with radical Islam. With an interpretation of Islam by a significant number of people around the world that they believe now justifies them killing people who don’t agree with their ideology." Willioe Boy is immune to the truth. Especially when it contradicts the leftist propaganda. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь #15. To: Dead Culture Watch (#10) " lefties, they live divorced from reality, and make up how they wish it was. " I do not understand why they are so adamant defending the muslims. Is it simply because they know Obama is a muslim, an he wants the muslims protected? Is it really that simple? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton #16. To: Willie Green (#0) The Return of GOP Islamophobia Oh, dear! Let us all hang our heads in shame and beat ourselves with whips. The forces of rationality are being called phobic again. Republicans have jettisoned Bush’s cautious strategy of distinguishing between Islam and its violent minority. It's rather hard not to do when the founder of islam was one of world's history great conquerers and terrorists without conscience or remorse. The writer congratulates Bush because Bush was an ignorant incompetent weakling.
#17. To: Stoner (#15) I do not understand why they are so adamant defending the muslims. Is it simply because they know Obama is a muslim, an he wants the muslims protected? Is it really that simple? It's pretty simple. They will support anything that normal people recoil at in horror in order to feel smug. Like to play with peenies all day long? No worries! We understand, any who don't think that is completely normal we will brand as 'haters', not evolved and 'smart' like us. Want to call yourself a girl when every cell in your body says otherwise? No problem! We understand! Hate it when Trayvon the Saint gets murdered in cold blood by a 'white hispanic'? We do too! We can say 'Hands up don't shoot' all day long too! We don't care what the truth is! Never mind that they vote for the same people that some districts who are turning out at a rate of 110% for their candidate are in the worst performing schools in the history of schools, these people are double special smart....8-) just ask em!
#18. To: jeremiad (#7) Why? Are Muslims doing anything against the onslaught by their own fellow Muslims, besides running like little girls from a spider in the room? The weren't raised by their parents to be real men... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians! #19. To: Don (#8)
Daily worker writer for 30 years ! Pretty much the American left is channeling the ... hamas - muhammed attas --- of the world ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys ! Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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