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Title: We Have Our Final Six [GOP primary candidates]
Source: Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... ave-our-final-six_1055055.html
Published: Oct 28, 2015
Author: Jonathan V. Last
Post Date: 2015-10-29 07:37:13 by Tooconservative
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Comments: 39

Tonight’s debate showed that the GOP field is smaller than it looks. Technically, there are still fourteen people running, but the winnowing is far along. We probably have a final six and possibly a final four.

The three winners of the night were pretty obvious: Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump.

Rubio ended Jeb Bush’s campaign with the kind of body shot that buckles your knees. That’s on Bush, who never should have come after Rubio in that spot for a host of strategic and tactical reasons. But what should scare Hillary Clinton is how effortless Rubio is even with throwaway lines, like “I’m against anything that’s bad for my mother.” Most people have no idea how fearsome raw political talent can be. Clinton does know because she’s seen it up close. She sleeps next to it for a contractually-obligated 18 nights per year.

Cruz was tough and canny—no surprise there. He went the full-Gingrich in his assault on CNBC’s ridiculous moderators. He did a better job explaining Social Security reform than Chris Christie, even (which is no mean feat). And managed to look downright personable compared with John Harwood, whose incompetence was matched only by his unpleasantness. If you’re a conservative voter looking for someone who is going to fight for your values, Cruz must have looked awfully attractive.

Then there was Trump. Over the last few weeks, Trump has gotten better on the stump. Well, don’t look now, but he’s getting better at debates, too. Trump was reasonably disciplined. He kept his agro to a medium-high level. And his situational awareness is getting keener, too. Note how he backed John Kasich into such a bad corner on Lehmann Brothers that he protested, “I was a banker, and I was proud of it!” When that’s your answer, you’ve lost the exchange. Even at a Republican debate.

And Trump had a hammer close: “Our country doesn’t win anymore. We used to win. We don’t anymore.” I remain convinced that this line (along with his hardliner on immigration) is the core of Trump’s appeal. But he didn’t just restate this theme in his closing argument. He used it to: (1) beat up CNBC; and (2) argue that his man-handling of these media twits is an example of what he’ll do as president. It was brilliant political theater.

Those were your winners. You also saw tonight several campaigns which are over, even if the candidates don’t know it yet. Kasich was less likable than Rand Paul. Rand Paul was mostly invisible, and petulant when he was visible. Mike Huckabee wasn’t visible enough, except when he was doing his populist defense of Medicare and Social Security. But the effectiveness of this spot was diminished by Cruz’s excellent response, which is what people are apt to remember. There just isn’t enough space for him to make an impact by dint of personality in a field with a bunch of other strong and attractive personalities. And as for Bush? Jeb’s dead, baby. Jeb’s dead.

That leaves us with Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, and Ben Carson, who, by the way, is actually leading the field in some polls.

Christie was as impressive tonight as he could be, given his position. He had a great opening. His interjection on regulating fantasy football was tremendous. The “Even in New Jersey what you’re doing is called rude” line to Harwood just killed. If the establishment had jumped on Christie early, instead of being scared off by the GW bridge scandal and going for Bush . . . well, this race would probably be different. But they didn’t. That said, we’ll keep Christie in our final grouping because he’s so talented that he’s always going to have a puncher’s chance.

Fiorina had a solid debate, but wasn’t the run-away winner she’d been in the first two debates. If her numbers couldn’t hold when she was the class of the field, I doubt they’ll move much when she’s merely on the high-side of the average. It looks more and more like Fiorina isn’t running to win the nomination.

And what to do about Carson? Gentle Ben was fine—great in some moments; pedestrian in others. I don’t think many people in the media fully grasp the passion for Carson, but that doesn’t make it any less real. And if you look at the history of Iowa, and Carson’s numbers now, it’s not hard to imagine him doing very well there.

So there’s your final six: Trump, Carson, Rubio, Cruz, and maybe—just maybe—Fiorina and Christie.

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#7. To: TooConservative (#0) (Edited)

So there’s your final six: Trump, Carson, Rubio, Cruz, and maybe—just maybe—Fiorina and Christie.

The big surprise (so far) in this election cycle is just how bad the Jebster is doing.

As the chosen establishment candidate, he has to have caught them off guard with the level of incompetence of his campaign. So now I believe the establishment will have to trot out "Plan B."

First off - the establishment candidate ALWAYS wins the nomination (Reagan in '80-a possible exception to that - was neutered by the establishment putting Bush on the ticket).

So with that stated, I think we can winnow the list down to three - by first eliminating THESE three:

Trump - non establishment - he's out.
Carson - non establishment - he's out.
Cruz - non establishment - he's out.

So that leaves three possibles - I'll list them in the order I think that the establishment would view them as "palpable"

Rubio
Christie
Fiorina

The gop(e) nominee WILL be one of those three.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-10-29   9:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#8. To: Rufus T Firefly (#7)

(Rubio,Christie,Fiorina)

The gop(e) nominee WILL be one of those three.

IOW, it will be Rubio unless Christie can beat him.

They may not be able to stop Trump.

Cruz, if he can peel away the Ron Paul voters that Rand is losing and add some Carson and Trump voters, has more potential than most people realize. He is building a 50-state operation and is steadily campaigning in a lot of states, not just IA/NH/SC. He also has strong donor backing and even WaPo says he's got the best campaign operation. He has worked at this ever since he arrived in D.C., just as Obama did.

WaPo: FACT: Ted Cruz is running the best campaign of any presidential candidate

That's a pretty strong op-ed opinion. The writer makes his case well.

The more it is clear that a GOPe candidate (like Bush/Rubio/Christie) is going to be forced on the base by the Beltway GOP elite as with McCain and Romney, the more attractive Cruz will be as the only conservative who can win.

Of course, YouGov polling shows Trump 14 points up on Carson so we'd have to see some significant voter shifts to get a GOPe candidate (or Cruz) within firing range of Trump/Carson. To catch fire, Cruz (or the others) need to reach about 15%. At present, they're all so far down in the polls that no one is talking them up much and they look like also-rans.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-29 09:56:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rufus T Firefly (#7)

So that leaves three possibles - I'll list them in the order I think that the establishment would view them as "palpable"

Rubio Christie Fiorina

The gop(e) nominee WILL be one of those three.

I think you are almost right.

I think it will narrow down to Rubio or Fiorina,and Rubio will end up being the Homecoming Queen.

Not happy about it,but at least it won't be JEB or Trump.

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