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Title: Sodom: Has Biblical City Of Sin Been Found?
Source: Sky News
URL Source: http://news.sky.com/story/1569273/s ... iblical-city-of-sin-been-found
Published: Oct 17, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-10-17 15:16:37 by redleghunter
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The location of the original city of sin, Sodom - destroyed by fire and brimstone according to the Bible - may have been discovered in Jordan.

Archaeologists excavating the Tall el Hammam site say it was a major Bronze Age city-state and matches "every Sodom criterion".

Steven Collins and his team have been at the "monstrous" site since 2005 and have discovered palace structures, towers and formidable defences.

Sodom and the neighbouring city of Gomorrah were destroyed by God, according to the Book of Genesis, because their inhabitants were riddled by sin and depravity.

The final judgement was delivered after angels, disguised as men, were unable to find just 10 righteous people in the cities.

Mr Collins told Popular Archaeology: "I concluded that if one wanted to find Sodom, then one should look for the largest city on the eastern Kikkar that existed during the Middle Bronze Age, the time of Abraham and Lot.

"When we explored the area, the choice of Tall el Hammam as the site of Sodom was virtually a no-brainer since it was at least five to 10 times larger than all the other Bronze Age sites in the entire region."

The site, in the southern Jordan Valley, eight miles northeast of the Dead Sea, is marked out by a large mound that dominates the landscape and appears to have consisted of a lower city, and an upper city - where the rich and elite lived.

Researchers have found evidence of defensive walls 10m high and 5m thick, with a network of gates, towers and plazas.

Altogether, it is believed the lower defence structures rose about 30m from the surrounding terrain.

They also say ramparts, built in the Middle Bronze Age, protected the privileged residents of the upper city from attack.

"It was a huge undertaking, requiring millions of bricks and, obviously, large numbers of labourers," Mr Collins told Popular Archaeology.

"It was an impressive and formidable defensive system protecting the residences of the wealthier citizens of the city, including the king's palace and related temples and administrative buildings."

The remains of a "Red Palace" in the upper city have been discovered, as well as a large complex further down.

However, life in the city appears to have come to a sudden halt near the end of the Middle Bronze Age and was all but abandoned for 700 years, say archaeologists.

It is hoped the ongoing excavations by the research team will help shed light on the mystery.


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#1. To: GarySpFc, Don, tomder55, *Bible Study Ping*, liberator, TooConservative, CZ82, SOSO, Cranky, *Religious History and Issues* (#0)

PING.

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-17   15:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All, *Archeology and Digs* (#0)

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-17   15:23:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: redleghunter (#0)

San Francisco?

A Pole  posted on  2015-10-17   16:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter, All (#2) (Edited)

Since this article was originally written, any doubts these are the ruins of the 5000 year old city of Sodom have vanished.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-17   16:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A Pole (#3)

San Francisco?

I think it might be Pete's compound.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-17   16:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A Pole, liberator, GarySpFc, CZ82 (#3)

San Francisco?

Heh. And liberator says you have no sense of humor:)

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-17   16:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: redleghunter (#6)

"San Francisco?"

Heh. And liberator says you have no sense of humor:)

I was serious.

But I had two shots of vodka so you never know.

A Pole  posted on  2015-10-17   17:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: redleghunter (#0)

Imagine that...finding Sodom about the same time as homosexual "marriage" becomes legal in many nations.

Well, Sodom wasn't famous for sodomy marriage. Just good old-fashioned public sodomy.

The modernists claim the "sin of Sodom" was...inhospitality.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-17   17:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#8)

The modernists claim the "sin of Sodom" was...inhospitality.

Well, it would be rather inhospitable to be taken to the public square and bent over a sawhorse.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-17   17:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative, ALL (#8)

I think it's amazing that every month we are seeing one or two major archaeological finds, which confirm the veracity of the Bible.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-17   18:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TooConservative (#8)

The modernists claim the "sin of Sodom" was...inhospitality.

Of course..."What no place to stay for the night...just hang out in the public square."

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-17   18:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GarySpFC (#10)

I think it's amazing that every month we are seeing one or two major archaeological finds, which confirm the veracity of the Bible.

I've been hoping to hear more about the (claimed) first-century fragment of the gospel of Mark. It was page fragments recovered from an Egyptian death mask.

Supposedly, it was to be presented more fully to the public by now but I still haven't heard any more details about it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-17   18:59:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter (#0)

" The final judgement was delivered after angels, disguised as men, were unable to find just 10 righteous people in the cities. "

They would have the same difficulty today, especially in San Francisco, and Washington DC, as well as a multitude of other cities!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-10-17   19:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: redleghunter (#0)

Imagine that...finding Sodom about the same time as homosexual "marriage" becomes legal in many nations.

Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   20:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GarySpFC (#4)

Since this article was originally written, any doubts these are the ruins of the 5000 year old city of Sodom have vanished.

Cool!

I am looking forward to updates as they discover and publish more.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   20:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GarySpFC (#10)

I think it's amazing that every month we are seeing one or two major archaeological finds, which confirm the veracity of the Bible.

Gary,to be fair,it only verifies there was a big city there.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-17   20:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete, all (#16)

Gary,to be fair,it only verifies there was a big city there.

No! I wasn't referring simply to the discovery of Sodom, but of dozens of major finds. My subscription to BAR is currently in a renewal, and I do not have access to a list of recent discoveries,but I can tell you it's impressive.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-19   3:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete, ALL (#16)

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.

Human Remains Found at Sodom!

In a culture that generally believes that science and faith in the Bible are incompatible, once again scientific evidence has been discovered that supports the Bible’s testimony of a real historical event. The April 2013 book entitled Discovering the City of Sodom by Dr. Steven Collins and Dr. Latayne Scott published by Howard/Simon and Schuster details how Dr. Collins came to believe Tall el-Hammam in Jordan was the location of ancient Sodom. Dr. Collins made this determination based on Genesis 13:10 which placed Sodom and Gomorrah in the “plain of the Jordan (River),” an area that it describes as “well watered.” In an otherwise arid land, this same area that remains well watered even today could only be the somewhat circular plain at the southern end of the Jordan River before it enters the Dead Sea.

Dr. Collins, an archaeologist at Trinity Southwest University in Albuquerque, New Mexico, has excavated in this area for seven years. However, his breakthrough discovery came in 2011 when he found human skeletal remains and an unusual potsherd at the siteof Tall el-Hammam. While the unusual potsherd hardly compares in sheer visual drama tothe obvious glories of Stonehenge or the pyramids, it is turning out to be an artifact of monumental importance. The discovery and analysis of this potsherd provides physical evidence for what caused the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah by fire from heaven.

Dr. Collins found the 4,000 year old potsherd that would fit in the palm of your hand in an undisturbed layer of hardened black ash. One side is typical of ancient pottery, but the opposite side is coated with a thin layer of a beautiful translucent greenish glass called trinitite. The trinitite tells us that one side of this clay potsherd was briefly subjected to an extremely high temperature, which caused the silicon of its clay to melt and be converted to glass. Trinitite gets its name from the first atomic bomb test in1945 near Alamogordo, NewMexico whosecode name was Trinity. Trinitite was formed when the sandy clay soil at the test site was drawn up and melted by the explosion, then rained down and solidified into glass.

We now know that a comet or large comet fragment exploding in the atmosphere can produce the same effects as an atomic explosion, including the very high temperatures necessary for the formation of desert glass such as trinitite. This trinitite coated potsherd corroborates that the brimstone and fire Genesis 19:24 says rained out of heaven came from a comet fragment that exploded in the atmosphere over Sodom and Gomorrah. Like an atomic explosion, this comet explosion over Sodom and Gomorrah would have caused a fiery column of smoke, dust, ash and debris to rise up (possibly looking like a mushroom cloud). Genesis 19:28 tells how Abraham “looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and lo the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.”

The same black ash that contained the “Trinitite Potsherd” also revealed the partial skeletal remains of three individuals who were found huddled together in this black ash. Their bones were abnormally extended and twisted. The leg of one was charred off at mid-femur. While the intense heat generated by the fireball of a cometary explosion would literally vaporize everyone it directly hit, these people somehow were partially shielded. The macabre scene speaks of the sudden death and extreme trauma that engulfed these three people who were among those alive at the time the Bible says Abraham negotiated to save the city.

I am particularly excited by Dr. Collins’ discoveries because my book The Comets of God published in 2010 (www.thecometsofgod.com) analyzes the Old Testament catastrophes and their connection to cometary activity and impacts. I detailed how the scriptures make it clear that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by cometary activity. On page 416 I wrote, “The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, where fire and brimstone (burning sulfur) rained from heaven (Genesis 19:24 and Luke 17:29), is an accurate description of airburst explosions.” I explained how “Airburst explosions were not recognized until after the 1908 Tunguska Event in Siberia had been intensely studied by scientists. The Tunguska event is now believed to be the result of an airburst explosion high in the atmosphere of a small asteroid or cometary fragment approximately 100 meters in diameter.” Since comets are rich in sulfur, cometary material can release brimstone or burning sulfur as it comes in on fire.

Today a number of astronomers believe that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah involved comet activity, but until now there was no evidence for this event. In my book (page 149) I wrote that: “The most definitive evidence for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah would come from physical evidence associated with cosmic impact. Core samples from buried sediments dating to the time these cities were destroyed by fire should contain high concentrations of cosmic dust with very high concentrations of iridium, nickel, and other elements rose at impact. There could also be grains of shocked quartz, whose structure stems from the high pressures of impact or tiny spherules of fused glass like material that stems from the high temperature of impact…. The bottom line is this: if the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was caused by cosmic bombardment as the Bible indicates, there should be evidence waiting to be found.” Little did I know that at the time I wrote this in my book Dr. Collins had already located Sodom and had begun to find significant evidence for cosmic impact.

Since the initial discovery, four more trinitite coated potsherds have been excavated at the Tall. In addition, a number of small lumps of desert glass have been found at different locations within five miles of the Tall. While the brief heat flash or thermal pulse from the cosmic airburst was hot enough to melt and convert the outer surface of these clay potsherds into glass; this thermal pulse was also able to convert some of the silica of the sand on the ground into what geologists call “desert glass” which is not unlike trinitite. Geologists have come to learn that the creation of desert glass is typical of cosmic airbursts over sandy areas. It has not yet been confirmed how large of an area was affected by the cometary blast above Sodom.

As far as I know, Dr. Collins has yet to do a mass spectrometry analysis of the ash itself to see if it has a definitive “cosmic fingerprint” of specific elements brought in by the cometary material. This “cosmic DNA” test could provide the most compelling evidence of all. The ash might even contain nanodiamonds, microscopic diamonds that cosmic impacts can sometimes produce. It would be nice if a pollen study was done in the area to provide scientific evidence to confirm that the plain of the Jordan was then indeed “well watered.” A null hypothesis could also be employed to further establish that the Sodom of the Bible has finally been found. For example, pollen studies at the other proposed locations for Sodom should show that they were not in a “well watered” area. Likewise core drilling and analysis of the soils at the other proposed locations for Sodom should show that they do not contain evidence of fire and brimstone as a result of a cosmic airburst.

Interestingly the thick hardened black ash Dr. Collins found at the site sheds a different light on what happened to Lot’s wife. Genesis 19:26 should now be translated to read, “But his (Lot’s) wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of hardened ash (not salt). The Hebrew word usually translated as “salt” is the word “malach” (#4417 in Strong’s Concordance) which means “powder” as in something “pulverized” like salt, ash or

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-19   17:05:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GarySpFC (#18)

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.

Yeah,that doesn't work for me and you know it,so why try?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-19   17:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete, ALL (#19)

Yeah,that doesn't work for me and you know it,so why try?

Don't worry, I have lots of evidence this was Sodom.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-19   22:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All (#20)

#1. There’s evidence the men at the site practiced the kidnapping and raping of young boys.

Dr. Collins has found Minoan pottery at his site indicating a possible Sodom/Minoan connection. While the research is ongoing, this may provide startling insight into what was going on. The historian Strabo said the Minoan culture had a custom where older men would abduct young boys and rape them as a type of right-of-passage (Strabo’s Geography, 10.4.21). In Dr. Collins’ own words:

"Each boy, at age 12, was taken as an eromenos (“beloved”) by a 22-year-old erastes (“lover”) to be raised for 8 years in a male-male sexual bond. It was usually initiated with a ceremonial kidnapping performed by a gang of ritual abductors sent by the older male. The practice was formalized and ubiquitous across Minoan culture. Boys couldn’t be considered properly-trained male citizens unless they submitted to this process.”

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-19   22:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#21)

#2. A meteor air burst explosion completely decimated the city that’s buried there.

There is convincing evidence that a significant air burst event destroyed the city. Trinitite was discovered on the back of a pottery shard. A zircon bubble which can only form under extreme temperature was also found. There’s typically nothing to burn at a gate area, yet its gate area is covered with half meter of thick black, dark ash. Scattered human bones throughout the site suggest people were literally blown apart from the event.

This event was similar to the one which occurred in Russia recently in February, 2013. If the meteor over Russia has been just ten percent larger and in a straighter trajectory it would have probably killed a million people or more, producing an air burst more in line with the Siberian Tunguska airburst in 1908 which produced an explosion 1,000 times stronger than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-19   22:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#22)

#3. This air burst could have created a vortex similar to what’s described in the Bible.

A meteor causing a significant air burst can be traveling so fast and pierce the atmosphere at such great speed that it can actually create a vortex—a vacuum like effect where surface matter is sucked up into the atmosphere and then “rained” back down below. Such a huge column of debris ash, dirt and smoke would be able to be seen for miles.

This is consistent with the account in Genesis where it says,

“Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens… And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the Lord. Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace.” (Gen. 19:24, 27-28)

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-19   22:53:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GarySpFC, *Archeology and Digs* (#18)

Dr. Collins found the 4,000 year old potsherd that would fit in the palm of your hand in an undisturbed layer of hardened black ash. One side is typical of ancient pottery, but the opposite side is coated with a thin layer of a beautiful translucent greenish glass called trinitite. The trinitite tells us that one side of this clay potsherd was briefly subjected to an extremely high temperature, which caused the silicon of its clay to melt and be converted to glass. Trinitite gets its name from the first atomic bomb test in 1945 near Alamogordo, NewMexico whosecode name was Trinity. Trinitite was formed when the sandy clay soil at the test site was drawn up and melted by the explosion, then rained down and solidified into glass.

Yes significant. I actually held some trinitite back in 1998 when receiving a special tour of ground zero for the first test atomic bomb. The site was not far from the McDonald Ranch House where "Fatman" was assembled. Part of my Nuclear weapons operations course.

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-19   23:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GarySpFC (#21)

The historian Strabo said the Minoan culture had a custom where older men would abduct young boys and rape them as a type of right-of-passage (Strabo’s Geography, 10.4.21). In Dr. Collins’ own words:

"Each boy, at age 12, was taken as an eromenos (“beloved”) by a 22-year-old erastes (“lover”) to be raised for 8 years in a male-male sexual bond. It was usually initiated with a ceremonial kidnapping performed by a gang of ritual abductors sent by the older male. The practice was formalized and ubiquitous across Minoan culture. Boys couldn’t be considered properly-trained male citizens unless they submitted to this process.”

And people wonder why parents don't want homosexual men as scout masters.

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-19   23:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: GarySpFC (#20)

Yeah,that doesn't work for me and you know it,so why try?

Don't worry, I have lots of evidence this was Sodom.

I don't doubt the city existed. I just doubt the legend is true.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-20   6:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: redleghunter (#25) (Edited)

And people wonder why parents don't want homosexual men as scout masters.

I don't think anyone wonders about that. Everybody,including the homosexual child molesters promoting it, know why parents don't want it happening.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-20   6:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete, GarySpFc (#26)

I don't doubt the city existed. I just doubt the legend is true.

A legend is "a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated."

The archaeological find in the Jordan valley is authentication given the evidence Gary provided.

The Bible passages given from Genesis give the details of everyday life in the city of Sodom; confirmed now by archaeology. The Bible passages given from Genesis give the details of how the city was destroyed down to the explosive details of heat and blast; the archaeology now confirms this.

This is no longer legend but an accurate historical account recorded in the Bible and authenticated by science.

So what's left for a skeptic Pete? You and I cannot deny the veracity of the account given in the Bible because it has been authenticated by science. The only recourse for the honest skeptic is to claim that Sodom was destroyed by a natural random occurrence just as the Bible gives as an account and science has authenticated.

And when we add all of the past archaeological finds which confirm the Bible and the ones which will happen in the future, what we get is that the Bible accounts are accurate. Then one is left with trying to believe all these things happened randomly by chance or by Divine Hand.

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-20   12:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete, ALL (#27)

#4. It could also explain the strange “pillar of salt” verse.

An air burst event might also explain the turning of Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt. The Bible says Lot’s wife “looked back behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.” (Gen. 19:26)

As they made their escape they would have been walking along shore of Dead Sea which is one of the saltiest bodies of water in the world. The “look back” was probably more than just a quick glance but a deep longing to return. It’s quite possible she stopped while the others continued; perhaps she began walking back alone. Either way, when the air burst event happened, it brought 6-8000 degrees kelvin. If it splashed water it would cover the entire landscape with an encrustation of salt. Because of the extremely high temperature anybody along the shore, including Lot’s wife, would be dead in an instant, completely encased in salt.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-20   12:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: All (#28)

#5. Sodom must have been the largest city in the area and Dr. Collins’ site is by far the largest.

Two reasons can be given why Sodom must have been the largest of the “cities of the plain” from the biblical text: it is the only city mentioned by itself and the king of Sodom seemed to be the spokesperson for all the others (Gen. 14:17-24).
At a whopping 100 acres, Tall el-Hammam is the largest ancient city in the area. For comparison Jericho is 10 acres. Jerusalem during the Bronze Age was 10 acres. In fact, Tall el-Hammam held the title as the largest city for 2,200 years. It’s amazing that it had gone unnoticed until recently.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-20   13:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: All (#30)

#6. Genesis implies that Sodom had a wall for protection and this site has an impressive one.

...Genesis 19:1 says “Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom.” The mention of a gate means it had a wall system. It’s wall would be consistent with being the largest city in the region (see previous point). The excavation at Tall el-Hammam shows that the city had an impressive fortified, sophisticated wall system. The upper rampart was made entirely of mud bricks up to 8 meters thick at top and up to 35 or 40 meters thick at bottom. It took 60-90 million mud bricks to build. What’s even more extraordinary is that every other rampart system in Levant is made up of packed dirt

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-10-20   15:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: redleghunter (#28)

The archaeological find in the Jordan valley is authentication given the evidence Gary provided.

Yes,but there isn't any proof at all that an avenging God destroyed the city.

The Bible passages given from Genesis give the details of everyday life in the city of Sodom; confirmed now by archaeology.

So what?

The Bible passages given from Genesis give the details of how the city was destroyed down to the explosive details of heat and blast; the archaeology now confirms this.

BullBush! Pure speculation on your part,and based entirely on your religious beliefs.

This is no longer legend but an accurate historical account recorded in the Bible and authenticated by science.

Science is saying "God destroyed the city because the citizens were immoral and having sex/"???

Seriously? You are going tot try to stake out that claim?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-20   20:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#32)

Pete you have blinders on.

Read my entire post. I laid out how a skeptic can still be a skeptic. They have to believe everything happens randomly by chance.

And yes the scientific evidence confirms the Biblical account of a massive explosion with high heat overpressure. This is evidenced by the trinitite.

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-20   20:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: redleghunter (#33)

And yes the scientific evidence confirms the Biblical account of a massive explosion with high heat overpressure. This is evidenced by the trinitite.

I'm not arguing about that. I read it in Gary's post.

Now,show me where scientists are claiming God was responsible for it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-20   21:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete, GarySpFc (#34)

Now,show me where scientists are claiming God was responsible for it.

No one claimed scientists stated such.

You miss the point. The science confirms the physical details of the Biblical account. Putting to rest the story of Sodom's destruction was legend. The archaeology confirms the Biblical account.

One can choose to ignore this or chalk it up as a huge coincidence.

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-10-21   0:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#35) (Edited)

Now,show me where scientists are claiming God was responsible for it.

No one claimed scientists stated such.

Did you not claim there is now scientific proof that God destroyed the city?

Or at least imply that to be the case?

Sure looked like it to me.

One can choose to ignore this or chalk it up as a huge coincidence.

No coincidence. Like all good con men,they took an indisputable tragedy and said their God did it to punish non-believers in order to scare people into donating money and numbers to the cult.

Everything good or positive that has ever happened,is a result of a kind and loving God that created all that for our pleasure,comfort,and safety.

Everything bad that ever happened was the work of de debbil because hebe jealous of God,or the act of a vengeful God straightening out the people who pissed him off because they deserved to be punished.

See how this works? Nothing new about it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-10-21   1:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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