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Title: Letter: Put all gun owners in a well-regulated militia
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Published: Oct 5, 2015
Author: Robert Hammer
Post Date: 2015-10-05 12:40:40 by tpaine
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Letter: Put all gun owners in a well-regulated militia
Here's a completely constitutional gun-control measure Congress should consider: Establish a robust national militia, but specify that every gun owner become a member. Failure to register with the militia should result in serious jail time.
In the obvious interest of knowing the quantity and quality of arms available to the militia's purposes, all members should be required to inventory all of their personal arms. Failure to do so should also warrant significant jail time.
In the equally obvious interest of ensuring that these arms might be deployed in effective defense of the security of our free state, militia members should be required to participate in regular, highly disciplined training. Here again, failure to participate should earn offenders ample time behind bars to ponder the deficiencies of their unpatriotic souls.
Would this eradicate gun violence from our society? Of course not. But it would bring desperately needed regulation to bear. Our beloved 2nd Amendment clearly stipulates that the primary purpose of the right to keep and bear arms is in support of a "well regulated" militia, and Article I, Section 8, gives Congress the power to regulate the hell out of those keeping and bearing in that capacity.
Robert Hammer
Poster Comment:
I'm surprised Hillary hasn't picked up on this oh so clever idea. Theoretically, I suppose Congress could pass such a bill, but I doubt even a liberal SCOTUS would agree that such an obvious 'end around' the intent of the 2nd would pass constitutional muster..
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Funny thing Willy, I just had and excellent plate of eggs Benedict at Alice's Restaurant (Woodside Ca) just last weekend. -- Very few draft dodging hippies still around, but a lot of you green Willie's, pumping your asses off to get up the mountain.
Stupid is as stupid does..
#6. To: tpaine (#5)
I just had and excellent plate of eggs Benedict at Alice's Restaurant (Woodside Ca)
"Alice's Restaurant" (named after original owner Alice Brock) is in Stockbridge, Massachusetts.
Alice only owned the restaurant for about a year back in the '60s. After changing hands, it has been called "Theresa's Stockbridge Cafe" as of 2009.
#7. To: Willie Green (#2)
"Establish a robust national militia, but specify that every gun owner become a member."
Really? Does the author really want 100 million gun owners organized into an armed and trained military?
Liberals shit a brick when they simply read about some militia in Michigan having a meeting. "They're conspriring to blow something up! Arrest them all!"
But this guy is suggesting 100 million of us get organized. Sure. We can do that. And, once organized, well, we might as well march on Washington and straighten a few things out.
#8. To: tpaine (#0)
They would have to put ALL citizens into a militia to be legal.
Psalm 37
#9. To: Don (#8)
"They would have to put ALL citizens into a militia to be legal."
He'll be the first to tell you that all citizens ARE the militia.
#10. To: misterwhite (#9)
All?
Why lie Whitey? And if you are gonna lie, why not ping the person you are lying about?
#11. To: Willie Green (#6)
This Alice's has been in Woodside for a long time: --
"The building was originally constructed in the early 1900’s as a general store to support the logging industry. A hub of local history, it served the area (then called “Four Corners”) until the 1950’s when it was turned into a restaurant.
Sometime during the 1960’s the restaurant was bought by Alice Taylor who renamed the restaurant after herself and the now famous Arlo Guthrie song of the same name. Already, a world famous stop for motorcyclist, hikers and tourists, Alice’s Restaurant (and the adjacent buildings) was bought in the 1970’s and has been family owned & operated ever since."
#12. To: Dead Culture Watch (#10)
To: tpaine (#0)They would have to put ALL citizens into a militia to be legal. --- Don
He'll be the first to tell you that all citizens ARE the militia. --- misterwhite
All? ---- Why lie Whitey? And if you are gonna lie, why not ping the person you are lying about? --- Dead Culture Watch
Misterwhite has made a career out of lying about our Constitution, and what I and others have to say about it..
And if memory serves, our Constitution mentions that all male citizens of certain ages are indeed assumed to be militia.
Misterwhite probably has some problem with that, as he does with most of our Constitution...
#13. To: Dead Culture Watch, Don, misterwhite, Y'ALL (#10)
To: tpaine (#0)They would have to put ALL citizens into a militia to be legal. --- Don
He'll be the first to tell you that all citizens ARE the militia. --- misterwhite
All? ---- Why lie Whitey? And if you are gonna lie, why not ping the person you are lying about? --- Dead Culture Watch
Misterwhite has made a career out of lying about our Constitution, and what I and others have to say about it..
And if memory serves, our Constitution mentions that all male citizens of certain ages are indeed assumed to be militia.
Misterwhite probably has some problem with that, as he does with most of our Constitution...
Sorry, I forgot the pings.
#14. To: Dead Culture Watch (#10)
"Why lie Whitey? And if you are gonna lie, why not ping the person you are lying about?"
Not a lie. Ask him. He has stated that all citizens today are the militia.
I don't ping him because he's done nothing to deserve that kind of courtesy.
#15. To: misterwhite (#14)
Umm, no, it was a lie. Please post proof. Oh, you can't. Just another hour, another lie from you.
He has never said a 90 year old woman should be a militia member, or a four year old kid.
You are so contemptible.
#16. To: misterwhite (#14)
Oh, btw, he has been 100 times milder to you than I, so you not pinging/talking TO him, smacks of cowardice, since u have no problem talking ABOUT him.
#17. To: misterwhite, Y'ALL (#14)
Misterwhite has made a career out of lying about our Constitution, and what I and others have to say about it..
And if memory serves, our Constitution mentions that all male citizens of certain ages are indeed assumed to be militia.
Misterwhite probably has some problem with that, as he does with most of our Constitution...
Not a lie. Ask him. He has stated that all citizens today are the militia.
Just above, -- what I stated makes you the liar.
I don't ping him because he's done nothing to deserve that kind of courtesy.
You dont ping me because you're a chickenshit clown, -- who can't argue your way out of a paper bag.
#18. To: tpaine (#0)
Letter: Put all gun owners in a well-regulated militiaHere's a completely constitutional gun-control measure Congress should consider: Establish a robust national militia, but specify that every gun owner become a member. Failure to register with the militia should result in serious jail time.
In the obvious interest of knowing the quantity and quality of arms available to the militia's purposes, all members should be required to inventory all of their personal arms. Failure to do so should also warrant significant jail time.
In the equally obvious interest of ensuring that these arms might be deployed in effective defense of the security of our free state, militia members should be required to participate in regular, highly disciplined training. Here again, failure to participate should earn offenders ample time behind bars to ponder the deficiencies of their unpatriotic souls.
Would this eradicate gun violence from our society? Of course not. But it would bring desperately needed regulation to bear. Our beloved 2nd Amendment clearly stipulates that the primary purpose of the right to keep and bear arms is in support of a "well regulated" militia, and Article I, Section 8, gives Congress the power to regulate the hell out of those keeping and bearing in that capacity.
Robert Hammer
It would be helpful if the author knew the meaning of "well regulated" and had consulted 10 U.S.C. 311 to learn that, "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."
Nobody registers with the militia as they are automatically in the militia per statute.
Moreover, it is unconstitutional to enact any form of state or federal law that conflicts with the constitutional provision, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendmentFrom: Brian T. Halonen
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2012/title-10/subtitle-a/part-i/chapter-13/section-311/
THE MILITIA - 10 U.S.C. § 311 (2012)§311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, §1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, §524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)
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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state
The Amendment refers to the security of a state, not the United States.
Madison, Federalist 46, re the Militia
The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger. That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism. Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.
#19. To: nolu chan, misterwhite, Y'ALL (#18)
Madison, Federalist 46, re the MilitiaThe only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger.
That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism.
Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger.
Madison was prescient, as we are presently living those "incoherent dreams", wherein "the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both"...
Thus we see the need for a citizen's militia.
-- Misterwhite? - Where do you stand?
#20. To: tpaine, TooConservative (#19)
wherein "the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both"...
You are getting to sound as optimistic about our future as I am.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#21. To: SOSO (#20)
You are getting to sound as optimistic about our future as I am.
I lost a lot of optimism back in Nov,'63, when the only democrat I ever voted for was killed by a magic bullet.
#22. To: tpaine (#21)
I lost a lot of optimism back in Nov,'63, when the only democrat I ever voted for was killed by a magic bullet.
Good God, you actually voted for JFK. Wow!!! That explains a lot.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
#23. To: SOSO (#22)
Good God, you actually voted for JFK. Wow!!! That explains a lot.
Today JFK and his platform would be classed as being to the right of most of the Republican candidates.
#24. To: tpaine (#23)
Today JFK and his platform would be classed as being to the right of most of the Republican candidates.
JFK, like his scumbag brother Ted, was a huge bleeding heart tax and spend libtard. There is no Kennedy that sits to the right of our RINO's we have today. Even our undocumented republicans of today are more right than that scumbag family (for the exception of McStain). Anyone that over taxes my wallet to make them feel better... deserves a magic bullet or cancer to the brainbox.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#25. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#24)
JFK, like his scumbag brother Ted, was a huge bleeding heart tax and spend libtard.
Your insanity continues.
Poor schmuck.
JFK, A Conservative by Today’s Standards
Unlike many of his fellow alumni from Harvard, especially our current president, JFK understood economics. Shortly after he was sworn in, the President said, “Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased — not a reduced — flow of revenues to the federal government.” He was the first supply-side president, and understood that the key to economic growth is to free up capital for private investment that creates jobs, makes and sells things, and increases the standard of living for the entire country. After all, he had history on his side, and it had worked for nearly 200 years.
“Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort — thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate,” he said.
And on another occasion, “It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now… And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy, which can bring a budget surplus.”
JFKs tax cuts were passed posthumously in February, 1964. The result of those significant tax cuts, which still didn’t go as far as he wanted them to go, had dramatic effects on the economy. Real GDP grew at 5.8% in 1964, 6.5% in 1965, and 6.6% in 1966, while the unemployment rate declined from 5.2% in 1964 to 3.8% in 1966, falling all the way to 3.5% in 1969. And, as predicted by our first supply-side president, tax revenues increased dramatically, from $94 billion in 1961 to $153 billion in 1968.
He not only understood real-world economics, but he understood the proper role of government in a free society, as America was founded to be. He said to the New York Economic Club in December, the year before he died, “The federal government’s most useful role is not to rush into a program of excessive increases in public expenditures, but to expand the incentives and opportunities for private expenditures.”
In other words, foster a climate that is conducive to economic growth, rather than creating government programs – expenditures, as he referred to them – which siphon the lifeblood out of a free economy. JFK was a Reaganite, economically speaking, before Reaganites even existed.
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Modern Democrats Would View John F. Kennedy As A Reaganite Extremist
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#26. To: Deckard (#25)
You might wanna read this article, libturd
"The Myth of JFK as Supply Side Tax Cutter"
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#27. To: GrandIsland (#26)
"The Myth of JFK as Supply Side Tax Cutter"
I already posted documented facts.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#28. To: Dead Culture Watch (#15)
"Umm, no, it was a lie. Please post proof. Oh, you can't. Just another hour, another lie from you."
MindBender26: "Like it or not, in 2007, it's hard to sustain a claim that all able-bodied men belong to the "reserve militia" when that Militia has no meetings, no measurement of mission standards, no formal structure, no leaders, no rules, in fact, no regulation whatsoever... and a large number of able bodied men are convicted felons or actually in prison."
tpaine: "Dream on. We are all 'militia', and can be called upon to defend our country."
(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787562/posts?page=30#30)
#29. To: Dead Culture Watch (#16)
"Oh, btw, he has been 100 times milder to you than I ..."
"Mild" has nothing to do with it. He's a liar and a weasel and responding to him is a huge waste of my time.
As evidenced by the latest. He truly believes we're all the militia. Yet he won't admit it. Or deny it. Why? I have no idea.
#30. To: misterwhite, tpaine, Dead Culture Watch (#28)
tpaine: "Dream on. We are all 'militia', and can be called upon to defend our country."
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
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"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms
each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia.
Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an
American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or
state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."
-- Tench Coxe, 1788.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#31. To: Deckard (#30)
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
-- George Mason, June 16, 1788
Correct. "The people" were the militia, not all persons or all citizens.
And, in 1788, who were "the people"? They were the enfranchised citizens with full rights -- adult white males with property. Those with something to lose.
#32. To: misterwhite (#31)
And, in 1788, who were "the people"? They were the enfranchised citizens with full rights -- adult white males with property.
Women Soldiers in the American Revolution
There are several accounts of women soldiers in Continental Regiments. The most popular account is that of Deborah Samson (the correct spelling does not include a "p" in the last name). Nailing down what appears to be truth and what seems to be erroneous is difficult, as there are many slight variations to the story. Deborah Samson was enlisted by Capt. Ephalet Thorp on May 20, 1782 as Robert Shurtliff in Capt. George Webb's Company of the 4th Massachusetts Regiment of Foot. From descriptions of her uniform, she was apparently part of a light infantry unit.
She participated in fights against Tories from West Point to Tappan Zee in New York State. Near Tarrytown, her unit ran into a skirmish where Samson received a saber wound to the left side of the head. At East Chester, Deborah's unit was ambushed by Tories and she received two musketballs in the thigh.
She went off alone and removed one by herself, leaving the other in. Samson also participated in some fighting with Indians near the Adirondacks.
Blacks in the Revolutionary Era, 1776-1789
African Americans had an appreciable presence in the Revolutionary War. In fact, the first person to die in the Boston Massacre, regarded as the first critical event in the American effort to separate from the British, was a black seaman: Crispus Attucks.
Following this, blacks participated in other outbreaks of hostility between the colonists and the British before the Declaration of Independence. During June 1775, for example, they were among the Minutemen alerted by Paul Revere; they were at Lexington and Concord; and they were members of the Green Mountain Boys. Peter Salem, Salem Poor, and Prince Hall, who later founded the first black lodge of Freemasons, were among the blacks who fought at Bunker Hill in July of 1775.
"Adult white males" weren't the only ones with something to lose.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#33. To: Deckard (#32)
Deborah Samson was enlisted by Capt. Ephalet Thorp on May 20, 1782 ...among the blacks who fought at Bunker Hill in July of 1775 ..."
The Bill of Rights (including the second amendment) wasn't ratified until 1791. The following year, Congress passed the Militia Act which defined militia members. That definition did not include women or freed blacks or slaves or children or non-citizens.
#34. To: misterwhite, --- shows his inability to debate, - by once again, - lying about context. (#28)
He (tpaine) has never said a 90 year old woman should be a militia member, or a four year old kid. ---- You are so contemptible. ---- Dead Culture Watch posted
DCW is correct, and misterwhite's answer proves it:
MindBender26: "Like it or not, in 2007, it's hard to sustain a claim that all able-bodied men belong to the "reserve militia" when that Militia has no meetings, no measurement of mission standards, no formal structure, no leaders, no rules, in fact, no regulation whatsoever... and a large number of able bodied men are convicted felons or actually in prison."
tpaine: "Dream on. We are all 'militia', and can be called upon to defend our country."
(www.freerepublic.com/focu...1787562/posts?page=30#30)
I urge anyone to read the link above to establish the context of my remarks about the militia.
MISTERWHITE has done it again, and inserted his idiotic foot into his lying mouth.
#35. To: misterwhite (#29)
He's (tpaine) a liar and a weasel and responding to him is a huge waste of my time.
You can't respond because you can't face the truth about our Constitution. -- Misterwhite is again trying his best to convince everyone at LF that he is a conservative. --- He is not, and never has been. This was well established years ago at freerepublic, as is evident by this remark he made back in 2003, here: -
www.freerepublic.com/focu...c/907467/posts?page=48#48
You believe that the rights of the individual reign supreme (as long as they do not violate the rights of others). I believe the rights of the individual need to be tempered with the overall good of society in mind. -- misterwhite/robertpaulsen
Misterwhite is a communitarian...
As evidenced by the latest. He truly believes we're all the militia. Yet he won't admit it. Or deny it. Why? I have no idea.
You have no idea because you're a compulsive liar, as the links above prove...
#36. To: tpaine, robertpaulsen (#35)
You believe that the rights of the individual reign supreme (as long as they do not violate the rights of others). I believe the rights of the individual need to be tempered with the overall good of society in mind. -- misterwhite/robertpaulsen
Reminds me of another well-known authoritarian/communitarian, Bill Clinton.
You know, we can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#37. To: Deckard (#27)
The only thing you documented is your love for a Democrat.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#38. To: GrandIsland (#37)
The only thing you documented is your love for a Democrat.
And the only thing you documented on this thread is your love for a communitarian, -- misterwhite..
Feel proud.
#39. To: tpaine (#38)
And the only thing you documented on this thread is your love for a communitarian, -- misterwhite..
WTF does White have to do with anything I said?
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#40. To: GrandIsland (#39)
Every time White gets in trouble, you show up to create a diversion. - And as usual, it hasn't worked.
White can't explain this position, can you? --
www.freerepublic.com/focu...c/907467/posts?page=48#48
"You believe that the rights of the individual reign supreme (as long as they do not violate the rights of others). I believe the rights of the individual need to be tempered with the overall good of society in mind." --- misterwhite/robertpaulsen
#41. To: Dead Culture Watch (#15)
"He has never said a 90 year old woman should be a militia member, or a four year old kid."
He said all. I believe the word "all" includes a 90 year old woman and a four year old kid.
#42. To: tpaine, Dead Culture Watch, Don, misterwhite (#13)
And if memory serves, our Constitution mentions that all male citizens of certain ages are indeed assumed to be militia.
Your memory serves you ill.
#43. To: nolu chan (#42)
"Your memory serves you ill."
Nah. It's right there in Constitution ... next to the part that says everyone's in the militia.
#44. To: misterwhite, nolu chan, Y'ALL (#41)
Dead Culture Watch : --- "He (tpaine) never said a 90 year old woman should be a militia member, or a four year old kid."
He said all. I believe the word "all" includes a 90 year old woman and a four year old kid. --- misterwhite
Here's what I said, about all able bodied men: ---
mindBender26: "Like it or not, in 2007, it's hard to sustain a claim that all able-bodied men belong to the "reserve militia" when that Militia has no meetings, no measurement of mission standards, no formal structure, no leaders, no rules, in fact, no regulation whatsoever... and a large number of able bodied men are convicted felons or actually in prison."
tpaine: "Dream on. We are all 'militia', and can be called upon to defend our country."
> (www.freerepublic.com/focu...1787562/posts?page=30#30)"> http://(www.freerepublic.com/focu...1787562/posts?page=30#30)
Now I can understand why misterwhite is having a hissy fit about this non-issue, ( He's embarrassed to be caught lying again), -- but nolu chan? -- Perhaps he's just piling on to redress old wounds?
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