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International News Title: Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous. Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.
So, what language is it? what does it mean? And why at this time? It is Greek, it means My God, My God, come quickly Lord Jesus. And I use it more and more often, because, especially after seeing, hearing and reading what pope Francis has to say, I am more and more convinced that the time is short, that Francis is indeed the false prophet of Revelation. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: BobCeleste (#0) (Edited) Just as there will be many antichrists paving the way for the Antichrist, it seems likely that there will be many false prophets in various churches before the appearance of the False Prophet to herald the Antichrist and lead his world religion.
#2. To: BobCeleste (#0) And I use it more and more often, because, especially after seeing, hearing and reading what pope Francis has to say, I am more and more convinced that the time is short, that Francis is indeed the false prophet of Revelation.
#3. To: Willie Green, BobCeleste (#2) Your picture didn't show up. This is surprising as most WordPress website do let you post their pix here at LF. I have discovered that I can use the same photos that I search out via DuckDuckGo and DDG will serve up their cached image for me and the pic will then show up for us here at LF, even if the origin website doesn't want to allow that. https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rugusavay.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2FEpicurus-Quotes-5.jpg&f=1
#4. To: TooConservative (#3) Perhaps, since the picture is pure unadulterated Horse dong there is a reason it didn't appear, for God does hear prayer.
#5. To: BobCeleste, Willie Green (#4) (Edited) Well, if you are going to pose philosophical questions from Greek philosophy, Epicurus is a good choice. Although he lived in the third century B.C., his cult following grew over centuries and was well known to the early church. Acts 17, KJB:
So it is certainly worth recalling how Paul won converts from an extended public debate with capable Epicurean and Stoic philosophers of the era. The early churches knew such philosophers and their influence on society quite well. Also, in our own age, much of the atheist attacks on religion revolve around variations of Epicurus's ancient philosophical views and arguments. CARM: Addressing Epicurus' quote about God willing to prevent evil
We can't just wish Epicurus away. And his influence was revived in the modern era. His followers are still very much with us and their numbers are growing.
#6. To: TooConservative (#5) Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Any evil we face on this planet is like the pulling off of a bandage. It hurts momentarily, then is gone. 100 years of suffering is dwarfed by an eternity of being in the presence of Our Father. I look forward to learning the history of Creation, and the joy of existence. Life on present day Earth is going to be a distant memory. The hard times and pain washed away by the love of Yeshua and time.
#7. To: jeremiad (#6) (Edited) Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? I was not advocating the famous four questions of Epicurus, merely noting that the book of Acts relates that this is the kind of argument that Paul engaged in against the Epicureans and Stoics in public debate. And he still won souls. The Bible recorded his success but not that he converted every person present at those debates. That CARM link above examines the four questions briefly but in some detail, mustering the arguments that Christians should use to answer neo-Epicureans like atheists and humanists.
#8. To: TooConservative (#7) I understand you were not. The argument only makes sense from Epicurus if there is no eternity. If we humans are only alive for a short time on Earth then nothing, his argument would make sense. What kind of God would create man, only to let him suffer for 80 years then rot into nothingness? The kind of God Epicurus conceives of, that is who.
#9. To: jeremiad (#8) What kind of God would create man, only to let him suffer for 80 years then rot into nothingness? The kind of God Epicurus conceives of, that is who. The four questions debate the nature of God, His omnipotence, why evil survives if He could destroy it, etc. It is a philosophical inquiry, a way of comprehensively examining the basic questions about God. And each of the four questions can be debated endlessly and in considerable depth. These are the Greek philosophers that Acts records Paul debating at the Areopagus, near the Athenian altar to the Unknown God. Paul's thesis was that Christ was the Unknown God and therefore the Unknown God honored by that altar was now known to be Christ. You can see it might cause quite a stir for Paul to hold forth on this topic at that location. These things meant much more to the ancients than they do to us, reading about them as history so many years later. Yet, Paul lived this episode and it had real meaning to the early churches and to many of the pagans of the era who heard of this confrontation.
#10. To: TooConservative (#9) Paul had more patience than I. If it were me, I would walk away from them. There is nothing harder than trying to convince someone with a sense of mental superiority that they are wrong. It happens, but not very often. I have argued my points with the college educated, and they are more firmly ensconced in ideology than Christians, but won't admit it.
#11. To: jeremiad (#10) I have argued my points with the college educated, and they are more firmly ensconced in ideology than Christians, but won't admit it. The college educated are too often college brainwashed.
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