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Title: Finley: Disunity will deny GOP a 2016 win
Source: The Detroit News
URL Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/op ... ty-will-deny-gop-win/72721904/
Published: Sep 24, 2015
Author: Nolan Finley
Post Date: 2015-09-24 20:41:37 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 921
Comments: 15

Finley: Disunity will deny GOP a 2016 win

Nolan Finley
The Detroit News
12:30 a.m. EDT September 24, 2015

After spending last weekend with a couple of thousand Michigan Republicans and some presidential candidates courting their support, it’s clear the GOP is fractured along two planes.

The first break, apparent in the polls since mid-summer, is between so-called establishment Republicans — those who back candidates who hold or have held elected office — and anti-establishment Republicans — those who want nothing to do with anyone who’s ever been elected to anything.

The second fault line is among establishment Republicans themselves. Call it a fight between practical conservatives and principled conservatives.

The splits were seething on Mackinac Island during the two-day Michigan Republican Leadership Conference. If they can’t be mended, the Republicans will go into the critical 2016 election divided, angry at each other and unprepared to accept the gift of the White House Democrats seem determined to give them.

Blame the establishment for the anti-establishment sentiment that has elevated Donald Trump to the top of the polls, followed by fellow outsiders Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina. Since 2010, Republicans have been winning congressional elections by promising their voters they would undo everything President Barack Obama has done and restore conservative values to Washington.

When voters gave them majorities of both the House and Senate, they expected them to deliver. They can’t, of course, as long as the White House is still firmly in Democratic hands.

Obama pressed on with his agenda, using executive orders and regulatory agencies to get much of what he wanted, and rendering Congress powerless to stop him.

GOP voters felt shafted. So now they’re looking outside of Washington, and beyond state houses where successful Republican governors are delivering on their promises, for their presidential nominee.

The last outsider to win the presidency was Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, who, as commander of allied forces in World War II, was only sort of on the outside.

Donald Trump will not be the next one. Nor will Ben Carson. Carly Fiorina could be, I guess, but only if she can spin a controversial resume into a credible case for leading the Free World.

Among Republican office holders, the fracture is between the windmill tilters — represented on the island by Rand Paul and Ted Cruzand the patient and practical, whose Mackinac envoys were Jeb Bush and John Kasich. The Bush/Kasich wing urges the party to focus on winning the White House, and then get to work on changing Washington.

The Cruz/Paul contingent urges Republicans to die for a noble cause. Use their congressional majorities to force Obama to shut down the government over funding of Planned Parenthood. Hold up the budget to stop the president’s regulatory overreaches.

In other words, pick a whole lot of fights Republicans can’t win in the name of ideological purity. The hard-right GOP base would love it, of course, even as the media painted party members as obstructionists willing to sacrifice the well-being of the country to prove a point. And in the end, Obama wins anyway, because without the White House, Republicans can annoy but they can’t prevail.

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[User comment: Somehow, there is a Bush/Kasich wing, but Marco Rubio, who handily leads them both, is not mentioned. Rubio must have his own GOPe wing.]

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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)

Really? With the White House, Republicans can any but they can't prevail?

Huh.

The Republicans have the Supreme Court (and have had it for four decades). They have the House and the Senate.

Democrats moved their agenda forward under Reagan (amnesty, protecting Social Security, tax hikes). When they did that, they controlled ONE House of Congress.

They moved it forward under Bush 41: tax hikes, directly breaking Bush's election pledge. They controlled the House and the Senate then, like the Republicans do now, but they did not control the Supreme Court. They even got a Liberal Republican on the Court: Souter.

They moved it forward under Bush 43, with No Child Left Behind. Under W, the Republicans controlled the White House, the Supreme Court and both houses of Congress. And the Democrats STILL advanced their agenda.

So, we're supposed to believe that with the Democrats controlling ONE branch of government only: the Presidency. With large majorities in the House and Senate in Republican hands, and the Supreme Court forever in Republican hands, the Republican STILL cannot get anything done?

That's not true. The Republicans ARE getting plenty done. Take a good hard look around and stop being a fool, you Republican voters. WHO GAVE YOU Obamacare? A Republican Supreme Court. And who, with Congress, can defund nothing? The Republicans. WHO GAVE YOU gay marriage? Not the Congress or the President. The Republican Supreme Court. And who can't defund Planned Parenthood? The Republicans?

No. THEY DON'T WANT TO.

Let that sink in.

The Republicans have ratified and entrenched Obamacare, gay marriage, No Child Left Behind, Planned Parenthood, Amnesty, Iran - all of it.

It's not Obama - a President without money is powerless. It is the Republicans. They are Benedict Arnolds. They TELL you that they are one thing, but they ARE what we see actually happening.

Are Republican rank and file voters too naive and stupid to EVER see it? Ever?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   21:51:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited)

Really? With the White House, Republicans can any but they can't prevail?

I'm not sure what that is trying to say or to what it could possibly respond.

The Republicans have the Supreme Court (and have had it for four decades).

Not everyone nominated by a Republican is a Republican or a conservative. The opinions rendered by the Court is more descriptive of the Court's conservatism or lack thereof. Roe v. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges, Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs v. The Inclusive Communities Project, King v. Burwell, National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius et al are difficult to set forth as being conservative.

Democrats moved their agenda forward under Reagan (amnesty, protecting Social Security, tax hikes).

Yes, they royally screwed the American public without popular support or control of Congress.

So, we're supposed to believe that with the Democrats controlling ONE branch of government only: the Presidency.

Again, that is a non-sentence and I can't divine it's intended meaning or to what it could possibly be responding.

Are Republican rank and file voters too naive and stupid to EVER see it? Ever?

As I see it at the moment, Trump, Carson, Fiorina and Cruz have support of 61% of those polled as published by the anti-Trump Fox News today. The establishment darling is trailing in single digits.

In the Fox poll, Republicans were asked "Since the 2014 midterm election, do you think the Republican majorities in the U.S. House and Senate have done all they could to block or reverse Barack Obama's agenca?" 30% said yes, 66% said no.

Asked "and why do you think that is? Is it mainly because:"

28% chose, "They didn't really want to block Obama's agenda."
38% chose, "They would rather fight each other."
13% chose, "They aren't smart enough to block Obama's agenda."

At least 28% figured it out. If they really wanted to block Obama's agenda, all they needed to do was defund it. That can be done with a majority in the House with no support from the Senate or the President. Obama's veto pen is almost like new.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-25   0:43:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan (#11)

Since you could not read my sentences, I will try again.

The Democrats often control only one house of Congress, or one branch of government, and yet they advance their agenda even then.

The Republicans claim to be able to do nothing EVEN THOUGH they control both houses of Congress AND the Supreme Court.

(I know that you do not want to hold the Republican party accountable for the crimes it commits through its Supreme Court, but I will not play that game. Democrat Justices are partisan politicians. Their votes are extremely reliable: nobody is ever allowed into those positions of supreme power, as a Democrat, unless they are litmus-test perfect. Republicans also appoint people who meet their litmus tests. The way that the Republican Supreme Court votes tells you the deepest truth about the ACTUAL policies of the Republican Party, On the things that matter, the REAL policy is visible in whom the Republicans choose for the Supreme Court. They apply the same discipline that the Democrats do. They just seem not to because when it comes to retail politics, Republicans are, in fact, rich elites who manipulate stupid Republican middle class rubes to vote for them time and again, but never do anything effective other than advance the economic interests of the rich. When it comes to everything else, that rich social liberals DON'T want, the Republicans "never have enough power" and "if only you (stupid duped rubes) would give us even MORE power, then finally maybe we could get it done". With W, the people DID give them ALL the power, and they STILL didn't do it (because.,.FILIBUSTER!). It's a comical lie, and the Republican rank and file who believe that crap have shit for brains.

The Democrats advance their agenda even with one house of Congress, or with just the Presidency. But the Republicans can never seem to advance the agenda they campaign to the (stupid duped rube) Republican electorate, because the Republicans in fact have NO INTENTION of doing ANY of that. The ONLY thing they ever get done, very efficiently, is tax cuts targeted at the very rich, regulations that favor crony capitalists, and government contracts that satisfy their stockjobbing lobbyists.

So, when the Republicans whine that they "can't pass anything, because Obama will just veto it", it's transparently false. The Democrats force Republican Presidents to give them what they want, even with only the House of Representatives. But Republicans can have 3/4ths of the government and STILL, somehow, not be able to get ANY of the socially conservative agenda done. (Because, you know...VETO!). Under W, they had all four parts of government, and they STILL only advanced crony capitalism and didn't get the socially conservative agenda done (because, you know, FILIBUSTER!)

It is incredible that social conservatives don't see it. But I guess hope springs eternal in the human heart.

Even more incredible, though, is that middle class and management class conservatives actually favor the economic policies of crony capitalism, as though that will somehow benefit them.

I don't know why I bother.

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