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Title: Finley: Disunity will deny GOP a 2016 win
Source: The Detroit News
URL Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/op ... ty-will-deny-gop-win/72721904/
Published: Sep 24, 2015
Author: Nolan Finley
Post Date: 2015-09-24 20:41:37 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 7196
Comments: 15

Finley: Disunity will deny GOP a 2016 win

Nolan Finley
The Detroit News
12:30 a.m. EDT September 24, 2015

After spending last weekend with a couple of thousand Michigan Republicans and some presidential candidates courting their support, it’s clear the GOP is fractured along two planes.

The first break, apparent in the polls since mid-summer, is between so-called establishment Republicans — those who back candidates who hold or have held elected office — and anti-establishment Republicans — those who want nothing to do with anyone who’s ever been elected to anything.

The second fault line is among establishment Republicans themselves. Call it a fight between practical conservatives and principled conservatives.

The splits were seething on Mackinac Island during the two-day Michigan Republican Leadership Conference. If they can’t be mended, the Republicans will go into the critical 2016 election divided, angry at each other and unprepared to accept the gift of the White House Democrats seem determined to give them.

Blame the establishment for the anti-establishment sentiment that has elevated Donald Trump to the top of the polls, followed by fellow outsiders Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina. Since 2010, Republicans have been winning congressional elections by promising their voters they would undo everything President Barack Obama has done and restore conservative values to Washington.

When voters gave them majorities of both the House and Senate, they expected them to deliver. They can’t, of course, as long as the White House is still firmly in Democratic hands.

Obama pressed on with his agenda, using executive orders and regulatory agencies to get much of what he wanted, and rendering Congress powerless to stop him.

GOP voters felt shafted. So now they’re looking outside of Washington, and beyond state houses where successful Republican governors are delivering on their promises, for their presidential nominee.

The last outsider to win the presidency was Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, who, as commander of allied forces in World War II, was only sort of on the outside.

Donald Trump will not be the next one. Nor will Ben Carson. Carly Fiorina could be, I guess, but only if she can spin a controversial resume into a credible case for leading the Free World.

Among Republican office holders, the fracture is between the windmill tilters — represented on the island by Rand Paul and Ted Cruzand the patient and practical, whose Mackinac envoys were Jeb Bush and John Kasich. The Bush/Kasich wing urges the party to focus on winning the White House, and then get to work on changing Washington.

The Cruz/Paul contingent urges Republicans to die for a noble cause. Use their congressional majorities to force Obama to shut down the government over funding of Planned Parenthood. Hold up the budget to stop the president’s regulatory overreaches.

In other words, pick a whole lot of fights Republicans can’t win in the name of ideological purity. The hard-right GOP base would love it, of course, even as the media painted party members as obstructionists willing to sacrifice the well-being of the country to prove a point. And in the end, Obama wins anyway, because without the White House, Republicans can annoy but they can’t prevail.

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[User comment: Somehow, there is a Bush/Kasich wing, but Marco Rubio, who handily leads them both, is not mentioned. Rubio must have his own GOPe wing.]

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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)

Really? With the White House, Republicans can any but they can't prevail?

Huh.

The Republicans have the Supreme Court (and have had it for four decades). They have the House and the Senate.

Democrats moved their agenda forward under Reagan (amnesty, protecting Social Security, tax hikes). When they did that, they controlled ONE House of Congress.

They moved it forward under Bush 41: tax hikes, directly breaking Bush's election pledge. They controlled the House and the Senate then, like the Republicans do now, but they did not control the Supreme Court. They even got a Liberal Republican on the Court: Souter.

They moved it forward under Bush 43, with No Child Left Behind. Under W, the Republicans controlled the White House, the Supreme Court and both houses of Congress. And the Democrats STILL advanced their agenda.

So, we're supposed to believe that with the Democrats controlling ONE branch of government only: the Presidency. With large majorities in the House and Senate in Republican hands, and the Supreme Court forever in Republican hands, the Republican STILL cannot get anything done?

That's not true. The Republicans ARE getting plenty done. Take a good hard look around and stop being a fool, you Republican voters. WHO GAVE YOU Obamacare? A Republican Supreme Court. And who, with Congress, can defund nothing? The Republicans. WHO GAVE YOU gay marriage? Not the Congress or the President. The Republican Supreme Court. And who can't defund Planned Parenthood? The Republicans?

No. THEY DON'T WANT TO.

Let that sink in.

The Republicans have ratified and entrenched Obamacare, gay marriage, No Child Left Behind, Planned Parenthood, Amnesty, Iran - all of it.

It's not Obama - a President without money is powerless. It is the Republicans. They are Benedict Arnolds. They TELL you that they are one thing, but they ARE what we see actually happening.

Are Republican rank and file voters too naive and stupid to EVER see it? Ever?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   21:51:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

It's not Obama - a President without money is powerless.

You're lying, perhaps to yourself.

Even without money from Congress, an American president is the most powerful leader in the world.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-24   21:58:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

ou're lying, perhaps to yourself.

Even without money from Congress, an American president is the most powerful leader in the world.

Then why were Republican Presidents all able to accomplish nothing of substance?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   22:03:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

Then why were Republican Presidents all able to accomplish nothing of substance?

Who says they haven't been accomplishing what they set out to accomplish?

It's not like any since Reagan have been actual Republicans.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-24   23:16:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7)

Who says they haven't been accomplishing what they set out to accomplish?

Certainly not I. You're right, they HAVE accomplished what they set out to accomplish. They just lie like they breathe in order to get the duped rubes to vote for them so they can keep running the gravy train while doing the opposite of what they say.

And I should amend my remark. They've done a lot of substantial stuff - substantially BAD.

I should have rather said "Then why were Republican Presidents all unable to accomplish anything GOOD of substance?"

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   23:34:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

I should have rather said "Then why were Republican Presidents all unable to accomplish anything GOOD of substance?"

Presumably for the same reasons that Democrats have not accomplished anything GOOD of substance lately. Of course, GOOD is subjective. Some would hail Obamacare as GOOD, or same sex marriage as GOOD, or the Iran deal as GOOD, or piling up $18T in debt as GOOD.

A pox on both of them.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-24   23:59:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#9)

Yes, a pox on both of them. I merely observe that the Democrat Party is the Redcoats. You know what they stand for. They say it. They wear bright red tunics and big bearskin hats and march in well-drilled formations. They come in in force, announce their intentions, fix bayonets, charge, and keep on repeating the exercise until they win. And there hasn't been a Saratoga yet.

They are eminently hatable for what they are, but they don't hide what they are, or what they intend, and they never did. The Redcoats believe themselves to be sovereign, and intend to plant their flag everywhere and to rule.

The Republicans are Benedict Arnold.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-25   0:05:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

Yes, a pox on both of them. I merely observe that the Democrat Party is the Redcoats. You know what they stand for. They say it. They wear bright red tunics and big bearskin hats and march in well-drilled formations. They come in in force, announce their intentions, fix bayonets, charge, and keep on repeating the exercise until they win. And there hasn't been a Saratoga yet.

They are eminently hatable for what they are, but they don't hide what they are, or what they intend, and they never did. The Redcoats believe themselves to be sovereign, and intend to plant their flag everywhere and to rule.

The Republicans are Benedict Arnold.

For once I agree with every word you have written.

Well stated!

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-25   5:51:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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