[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Police clash with pro-Palestine protesters on Ohio State University campus

Joe Rogan Experience #2138 - Tucker Carlson

Police Dispersing Student Protesters at USC - Breaking News Coverage (College Protests)

What Passover Means For The New Testament Believer

Are We Closer Than Ever To The Next Pandemic?

War in Ukraine Turns on Russia

what happened during total solar eclipse

Israel Attacks Iran, Report Says - LIVE Breaking News Coverage

Earth is Scorched with Heat

Antiwar Activists Chant ‘Death to America’ at Event Featuring Chicago Alderman

Vibe Shift

A stream that makes the pleasant Rain sound.

Older Men - Keep One Foot In The Dark Ages

When You Really Want to Meet the Diversity Requirements

CERN to test world's most powerful particle accelerator during April's solar eclipse

Utopian Visionaries Who Won’t Leave People Alone

No - no - no Ain'T going To get away with iT

Pete Buttplug's Butt Plugger Trying to Turn Kids into Faggots

Mark Levin: I'm sick and tired of these attacks

Questioning the Big Bang

James Webb Data Contradicts the Big Bang

Pssst! Don't tell the creationists, but scientists don't have a clue how life began

A fine romance: how humans and chimps just couldn't let go

Early humans had sex with chimps

O’Keefe dons bulletproof vest to extract undercover journalist from NGO camp.

Biblical Contradictions (Alleged)

Catholic Church Praising Lucifer

Raising the Knife

One Of The HARDEST Videos I Had To Make..

Houthi rebels' attack severely damages a Belize-flagged ship in key strait leading to the Red Sea (British Ship)

Chinese Illegal Alien. I'm here for the moneuy

Red Tides Plague Gulf Beaches

Tucker Carlson calls out Nikki Haley, Ben Shapiro, and every other person calling for war:

{Are there 7 Deadly Sins?} I’ve heard people refer to the “7 Deadly Sins,” but I haven’t been able to find that sort of list in Scripture.

Abomination of Desolation | THEORY, BIBLE STUDY

Bible Help

Libertysflame Database Updated

Crush EVERYONE with the Alien Gambit!

Vladimir Putin tells Tucker Carlson US should stop arming Ukraine to end war

Putin hints Moscow and Washington in back-channel talks in revealing Tucker Carlson interview

Trump accuses Fulton County DA Fani Willis of lying in court response to Roman's motion

Mandatory anti-white racism at Disney.

Iceland Volcano Erupts For Third Time In 2 Months, State Of Emergency Declared

Tucker Carlson Interview with Vladamir Putin

How will Ar Mageddon / WW III End?

What on EARTH is going on in Acts 16:11? New Discovery!

2023 Hottest in over 120 Million Years

2024 and beyond in prophecy

Questions

This Speech Just Broke the Internet


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

The Establishments war on Donald Trump
See other The Establishments war on Donald Trump Articles

Title: Finley: Disunity will deny GOP a 2016 win
Source: The Detroit News
URL Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/op ... ty-will-deny-gop-win/72721904/
Published: Sep 24, 2015
Author: Nolan Finley
Post Date: 2015-09-24 20:41:37 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 911
Comments: 15

Finley: Disunity will deny GOP a 2016 win

Nolan Finley
The Detroit News
12:30 a.m. EDT September 24, 2015

After spending last weekend with a couple of thousand Michigan Republicans and some presidential candidates courting their support, it’s clear the GOP is fractured along two planes.

The first break, apparent in the polls since mid-summer, is between so-called establishment Republicans — those who back candidates who hold or have held elected office — and anti-establishment Republicans — those who want nothing to do with anyone who’s ever been elected to anything.

The second fault line is among establishment Republicans themselves. Call it a fight between practical conservatives and principled conservatives.

The splits were seething on Mackinac Island during the two-day Michigan Republican Leadership Conference. If they can’t be mended, the Republicans will go into the critical 2016 election divided, angry at each other and unprepared to accept the gift of the White House Democrats seem determined to give them.

Blame the establishment for the anti-establishment sentiment that has elevated Donald Trump to the top of the polls, followed by fellow outsiders Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina. Since 2010, Republicans have been winning congressional elections by promising their voters they would undo everything President Barack Obama has done and restore conservative values to Washington.

When voters gave them majorities of both the House and Senate, they expected them to deliver. They can’t, of course, as long as the White House is still firmly in Democratic hands.

Obama pressed on with his agenda, using executive orders and regulatory agencies to get much of what he wanted, and rendering Congress powerless to stop him.

GOP voters felt shafted. So now they’re looking outside of Washington, and beyond state houses where successful Republican governors are delivering on their promises, for their presidential nominee.

The last outsider to win the presidency was Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, who, as commander of allied forces in World War II, was only sort of on the outside.

Donald Trump will not be the next one. Nor will Ben Carson. Carly Fiorina could be, I guess, but only if she can spin a controversial resume into a credible case for leading the Free World.

Among Republican office holders, the fracture is between the windmill tilters — represented on the island by Rand Paul and Ted Cruzand the patient and practical, whose Mackinac envoys were Jeb Bush and John Kasich. The Bush/Kasich wing urges the party to focus on winning the White House, and then get to work on changing Washington.

The Cruz/Paul contingent urges Republicans to die for a noble cause. Use their congressional majorities to force Obama to shut down the government over funding of Planned Parenthood. Hold up the budget to stop the president’s regulatory overreaches.

In other words, pick a whole lot of fights Republicans can’t win in the name of ideological purity. The hard-right GOP base would love it, of course, even as the media painted party members as obstructionists willing to sacrifice the well-being of the country to prove a point. And in the end, Obama wins anyway, because without the White House, Republicans can annoy but they can’t prevail.

- - - - -

[User comment: Somehow, there is a Bush/Kasich wing, but Marco Rubio, who handily leads them both, is not mentioned. Rubio must have his own GOPe wing.]

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: nolu chan (#0)

Really? With the White House, Republicans can any but they can't prevail?

Huh.

The Republicans have the Supreme Court (and have had it for four decades). They have the House and the Senate.

Democrats moved their agenda forward under Reagan (amnesty, protecting Social Security, tax hikes). When they did that, they controlled ONE House of Congress.

They moved it forward under Bush 41: tax hikes, directly breaking Bush's election pledge. They controlled the House and the Senate then, like the Republicans do now, but they did not control the Supreme Court. They even got a Liberal Republican on the Court: Souter.

They moved it forward under Bush 43, with No Child Left Behind. Under W, the Republicans controlled the White House, the Supreme Court and both houses of Congress. And the Democrats STILL advanced their agenda.

So, we're supposed to believe that with the Democrats controlling ONE branch of government only: the Presidency. With large majorities in the House and Senate in Republican hands, and the Supreme Court forever in Republican hands, the Republican STILL cannot get anything done?

That's not true. The Republicans ARE getting plenty done. Take a good hard look around and stop being a fool, you Republican voters. WHO GAVE YOU Obamacare? A Republican Supreme Court. And who, with Congress, can defund nothing? The Republicans. WHO GAVE YOU gay marriage? Not the Congress or the President. The Republican Supreme Court. And who can't defund Planned Parenthood? The Republicans?

No. THEY DON'T WANT TO.

Let that sink in.

The Republicans have ratified and entrenched Obamacare, gay marriage, No Child Left Behind, Planned Parenthood, Amnesty, Iran - all of it.

It's not Obama - a President without money is powerless. It is the Republicans. They are Benedict Arnolds. They TELL you that they are one thing, but they ARE what we see actually happening.

Are Republican rank and file voters too naive and stupid to EVER see it? Ever?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   21:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nolu chan (#0)

The Cruz/Paul contingent urges Republicans to die for a noble cause. Use their congressional majorities to force Obama to shut down the government over funding of Planned Parenthood. Hold up the budget to stop the president’s regulatory overreaches.

I would say that Cruz (and Lee) are the kamikaze Republicans. Rand Paul at least tries to be something of a GOP team player. The three are more often together than split but Rand is more likely to at least consider the GOPe pols who represent the GOP elite and their backers. Rand is also less likely to go kamikaze than Cruz or Lee.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-24   21:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

It's not Obama - a President without money is powerless.

You're lying, perhaps to yourself.

Even without money from Congress, an American president is the most powerful leader in the world.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-24   21:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

ou're lying, perhaps to yourself.

Even without money from Congress, an American president is the most powerful leader in the world.

Then why were Republican Presidents all able to accomplish nothing of substance?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   22:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#2)

Rand went kamikaze on Trump in the first debate. And his prospects of ever being President ended on that battlefield. He tried to ingratiate himself to the Republican Party by "taking out Trump", but he looked like a little yapping Scottish Terrier. And receded after that, and still is.

Stick a fork in him. He's done.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   22:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Nolan Finley (#0)

In other words, pick a whole lot of fights Republicans can’t win in the name of ideological purity.

Look,numbnuts,if you don't have an ideology,all you have is a desire to win just for the thrill of winning. Which means you have won nothing worth having.

Try to get absorb that through your skin,because you obviously don't have a brain to process it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-24   23:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

Then why were Republican Presidents all able to accomplish nothing of substance?

Who says they haven't been accomplishing what they set out to accomplish?

It's not like any since Reagan have been actual Republicans.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-24   23:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#7)

Who says they haven't been accomplishing what they set out to accomplish?

Certainly not I. You're right, they HAVE accomplished what they set out to accomplish. They just lie like they breathe in order to get the duped rubes to vote for them so they can keep running the gravy train while doing the opposite of what they say.

And I should amend my remark. They've done a lot of substantial stuff - substantially BAD.

I should have rather said "Then why were Republican Presidents all unable to accomplish anything GOOD of substance?"

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   23:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

I should have rather said "Then why were Republican Presidents all unable to accomplish anything GOOD of substance?"

Presumably for the same reasons that Democrats have not accomplished anything GOOD of substance lately. Of course, GOOD is subjective. Some would hail Obamacare as GOOD, or same sex marriage as GOOD, or the Iran deal as GOOD, or piling up $18T in debt as GOOD.

A pox on both of them.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-24   23:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#9)

Yes, a pox on both of them. I merely observe that the Democrat Party is the Redcoats. You know what they stand for. They say it. They wear bright red tunics and big bearskin hats and march in well-drilled formations. They come in in force, announce their intentions, fix bayonets, charge, and keep on repeating the exercise until they win. And there hasn't been a Saratoga yet.

They are eminently hatable for what they are, but they don't hide what they are, or what they intend, and they never did. The Redcoats believe themselves to be sovereign, and intend to plant their flag everywhere and to rule.

The Republicans are Benedict Arnold.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-25   0:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited)

Really? With the White House, Republicans can any but they can't prevail?

I'm not sure what that is trying to say or to what it could possibly respond.

The Republicans have the Supreme Court (and have had it for four decades).

Not everyone nominated by a Republican is a Republican or a conservative. The opinions rendered by the Court is more descriptive of the Court's conservatism or lack thereof. Roe v. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges, Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs v. The Inclusive Communities Project, King v. Burwell, National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius et al are difficult to set forth as being conservative.

Democrats moved their agenda forward under Reagan (amnesty, protecting Social Security, tax hikes).

Yes, they royally screwed the American public without popular support or control of Congress.

So, we're supposed to believe that with the Democrats controlling ONE branch of government only: the Presidency.

Again, that is a non-sentence and I can't divine it's intended meaning or to what it could possibly be responding.

Are Republican rank and file voters too naive and stupid to EVER see it? Ever?

As I see it at the moment, Trump, Carson, Fiorina and Cruz have support of 61% of those polled as published by the anti-Trump Fox News today. The establishment darling is trailing in single digits.

In the Fox poll, Republicans were asked "Since the 2014 midterm election, do you think the Republican majorities in the U.S. House and Senate have done all they could to block or reverse Barack Obama's agenca?" 30% said yes, 66% said no.

Asked "and why do you think that is? Is it mainly because:"

28% chose, "They didn't really want to block Obama's agenda."
38% chose, "They would rather fight each other."
13% chose, "They aren't smart enough to block Obama's agenda."

At least 28% figured it out. If they really wanted to block Obama's agenda, all they needed to do was defund it. That can be done with a majority in the House with no support from the Senate or the President. Obama's veto pen is almost like new.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-25   0:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

The Republicans are Benedict Arnold.

The Neo-cons have seized control of the levers of power within the GOP. They are Benedict Arnolds and not conservatives.

The Paleo-cons are fighting to regain control. They are conservatives. If nothing else, they have made the primary season unexpectedly interesting.

There is also a libertarian wing that is generally very conservative on fiscal issues, and very liberal on social issues.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-25   0:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#6) (Edited)

Look,numbnuts,if you don't have an ideology,all you have is a desire to win just for the thrill of winning. Which means you have won nothing worth having.

That's two brilliant posts from you today. Keep it up!

rlk  posted on  2015-09-25   2:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

Yes, a pox on both of them. I merely observe that the Democrat Party is the Redcoats. You know what they stand for. They say it. They wear bright red tunics and big bearskin hats and march in well-drilled formations. They come in in force, announce their intentions, fix bayonets, charge, and keep on repeating the exercise until they win. And there hasn't been a Saratoga yet.

They are eminently hatable for what they are, but they don't hide what they are, or what they intend, and they never did. The Redcoats believe themselves to be sovereign, and intend to plant their flag everywhere and to rule.

The Republicans are Benedict Arnold.

For once I agree with every word you have written.

Well stated!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-25   5:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan (#11)

Since you could not read my sentences, I will try again.

The Democrats often control only one house of Congress, or one branch of government, and yet they advance their agenda even then.

The Republicans claim to be able to do nothing EVEN THOUGH they control both houses of Congress AND the Supreme Court.

(I know that you do not want to hold the Republican party accountable for the crimes it commits through its Supreme Court, but I will not play that game. Democrat Justices are partisan politicians. Their votes are extremely reliable: nobody is ever allowed into those positions of supreme power, as a Democrat, unless they are litmus-test perfect. Republicans also appoint people who meet their litmus tests. The way that the Republican Supreme Court votes tells you the deepest truth about the ACTUAL policies of the Republican Party, On the things that matter, the REAL policy is visible in whom the Republicans choose for the Supreme Court. They apply the same discipline that the Democrats do. They just seem not to because when it comes to retail politics, Republicans are, in fact, rich elites who manipulate stupid Republican middle class rubes to vote for them time and again, but never do anything effective other than advance the economic interests of the rich. When it comes to everything else, that rich social liberals DON'T want, the Republicans "never have enough power" and "if only you (stupid duped rubes) would give us even MORE power, then finally maybe we could get it done". With W, the people DID give them ALL the power, and they STILL didn't do it (because.,.FILIBUSTER!). It's a comical lie, and the Republican rank and file who believe that crap have shit for brains.

The Democrats advance their agenda even with one house of Congress, or with just the Presidency. But the Republicans can never seem to advance the agenda they campaign to the (stupid duped rube) Republican electorate, because the Republicans in fact have NO INTENTION of doing ANY of that. The ONLY thing they ever get done, very efficiently, is tax cuts targeted at the very rich, regulations that favor crony capitalists, and government contracts that satisfy their stockjobbing lobbyists.

So, when the Republicans whine that they "can't pass anything, because Obama will just veto it", it's transparently false. The Democrats force Republican Presidents to give them what they want, even with only the House of Representatives. But Republicans can have 3/4ths of the government and STILL, somehow, not be able to get ANY of the socially conservative agenda done. (Because, you know...VETO!). Under W, they had all four parts of government, and they STILL only advanced crony capitalism and didn't get the socially conservative agenda done (because, you know, FILIBUSTER!)

It is incredible that social conservatives don't see it. But I guess hope springs eternal in the human heart.

Even more incredible, though, is that middle class and management class conservatives actually favor the economic policies of crony capitalism, as though that will somehow benefit them.

I don't know why I bother.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-25   21:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com