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Title: Fiorina: Let’s Have A Muslim President
Source: VDare
URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/posts/fiorina-lets-have-a-muslim-president
Published: Sep 23, 2015
Author: A.W. Morgan
Post Date: 2015-09-23 11:17:42 by nativist nationalist
Keywords: None
Views: 1409
Comments: 25

Carly Fiorina has supplied yet another reason she should not get anywhere near the White House. Forget about her supporting the DREAM Act, although that’s bad enough.

She thinks a Muslim should be president. Responding to Ben Carson’s belief that Muslim should not be president, Fiorina explained where Carson erred to Jimmy Fallon:

Jimmy Fallon: Ben Carson is in a lot of trouble now because he is saying that he would not advocate a Muslim being president.

Carly Fiorina: Well, I think that’s wrong. It says in our Constitution that religion cannot be a test for office. It’s also true that this country was founded on the principle that we judge each individual and that anyone of any faith is welcome here. I actually believe that people of faith make better leaders. Where they are Christians, as I am, my faith has sustained me through some very bad times. I’ve battled cancer, I’ve lost a child, I’ve been tested. But, whether it’s a person of Christian faith, or Jewish faith, or Muslim faith, or other faiths, I think faith gives us humility and empathy and optimism and I think those are important.

Fallon: So you would be fine with that?

Fiorina: Yes, I would be fine with that.

Here, Fiorina not only betrays a stupendous ignorance of Islam and Muslims, but also tells a big fib: i.e., “This country was founded on the principle that we judge each individual and that anyone of any faith is welcome here”

Not according to John Jay, one of the Founding Fathers. “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers,” he wrote in a letter.

As for who should come into the country, Jay wrote thusly in Federalist No. 2: “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people — a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs.”

The idea that the founders, including Adams and Jefferson, thought anyone could be an American is flatly ridiculous.

Keep in mind that in the late 18th-century, the mass migration of two bazillion Muslims or Mexicans was not possible.

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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

Carly, your wish has already been granted. We have a Muslim President who is practicing Taqiya.

He'll be gone soon. No Muslims are running for office. So the whole issue is boob bait for Bubbas.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-23   11:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

" Carly Fiorina has supplied yet another reason she should not get anywhere near the White House.

She thinks a Muslim should be president. "

She is an idiot. She may think she is being clever, but she will not garner any votes with her verbal diarrhea.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-23   11:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Stoner (#2)

She is an idiot. She may think she is being clever, but she will not garner any votes with her verbal diarrhea.

I once knew a guy who had a "Cthulhu For President" bumper sticker. Carly makes as much sense.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-09-23   12:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

" Carly, your wish has already been granted. We have a Muslim President who is practicing Taqiya.

He'll be gone soon. No Muslims are running for office. So the whole issue is boob bait for Bubbas. "

I do not think she earned herself any support with her little spittal.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-23   12:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner (#4)

She has always had zero prospect of being President.

The only people running who have any prospect of being President are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

No Establishment Republican other than JEB Bush can win on the Republican side. Hillary is a shoo-in for the Democrat nomination unless Biden steps in, in which case he will be the nominee.

So, if the Republicans take out Trump, it will be Jeb versus Hillary. Hillary wins.

If it's Trump versus Hillary, Trump wins.

If it's Jeb versus Biden, Biden wins.

If it's Trump vs. Biden, well now, THAT is a real horse-race.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-23   14:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

" She has always had zero prospect of being President. "

I agree. I think she just has too much time on her hands, and nothing better to do.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-23   14:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

I’ve battled cancer

The cancer has metastacized into her brain, what liitle she had to begin with.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-23   14:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

"She thinks a Muslim should be president."

No, she said she'd be fine with a Muslim being President.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-09-23   16:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

Was interested in her capabilities, but no longer..... she is clueless regarding a muslim taking an oath to defend the U.S.Constitution!.... Besides, we have a muslim in office - how's that been going over in the world???!!!

patriot wes  posted on  2015-09-23   18:09:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo66 (#0)

You are slacking a bit. You have a collage for every GOP candidate but Fiorina. Get on it!:)

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.---Revelation 1:5b-6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-23   18:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: redleghunter, *Arab Spring Jihad* (#10) (Edited)

I was impressed by how awful Fiorina was in the debate, but she's basically right about no religious test being in the constitution. If GOP dolts will vote for a light the loafers Morman, why not a muslim?

McCain is almost one, and look at how many Republicans voted for him!

Closet Muslim, Jihad John


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-09-23   18:39:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

Here, Fiorina not only betrays a stupendous ignorance of Islam and Muslims, but also tells a big fib: i.e., “This country was founded on the principle that we judge each individual and that anyone of any faith is welcome here”

She's right. We also live under the principle that anyone who isn't of any religious faith is also welcome here,and the equal of any other citizen.

BTW,there were Muslim citizens living here in the 1700's. Granted,they were "quiet as a mouse Muslims" and not the radical fundies we have today,but they were still Muslims.

The FACTS are that a radical outspoken fundie Muslim can NOT be elected to public office in this country and legally sworn in because his faith is contrary to every article of the Bill of Rights.

Not according to John Jay, one of the Founding Fathers. “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers,” he wrote in a letter.

"Dear Dairy" writings don't count. Some of the Founding Fathers were loons,and the crap they proposed was ignored and not codified into law. If the others had agreed with him we would not have separation of church and state codified into law.

I guess a stealth Muslim could be elected in non-black districts,but he or she would face some hard questions,and it would hard for them to hide their true beliefs or their personal histories.

As for who should come into the country, Jay wrote thusly in Federalist No. 2: “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people — a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs.”

That was an absolute crock of Bush even back then. People from all over the world were coming here long before the Constitution was ratified,and in some areas of the country everybody spoke German,in others they spoke French,in some one of the Scandinavian languages,etc,etc,etc.

And that's not even getting into the Welsh,Gaelic and Scots languages spoken in clusters in the "English-speaking" parts.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-23   19:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Stoner (#2)

She is an idiot. She may think she is being clever,

She's not an idiot. What she is doing is playing retail politics and trying to gather enough votes to win.

Do any of you REALLY think somebody like Louis Farrakhan is going to get elected by running as a radical Muslim. Yeah,maybe in Trenton or Detroit,but not in the rest of the country.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-23   19:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

The only people running who have any prospect of being President are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

Neither one of them has a chance. Even the Dims secretly hate and mistrust Bubbette!,and The Donald is only running to improve the value of his name/trade mark. He wants to able to say in the future that he "COULD have been president if I wanted,but the office is below me,so I dropped out to make a few more billion before I retire."

Trump is NOT going to put all his money and property into a blind trust to be handled by anyone else,period. Not even his daughter,who is probably more qualified to run a big business than he is. He has a ego the size of the universe,and there is no way he will ever accept anybody else could run it as well as he does.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-23   19:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: patriot wes (#9)

Was interested in her capabilities, but no longer..... she is clueless regarding a muslim taking an oath to defend the U.S.Constitution!..

Sounds to me like she is more aware of it than you are,and knows it's not legally possible,so why take heat and lose votes for something that isn't going to happen?

She might as well have said "It's ok for Klingons to become president" for all practical purposes.

Besides,she's not going to get the nomination either way. IMHO,she's going to get the VP nod if she doesn't screw up badly between now and the primaries.

AND......,like it or not,our Constitution DOES say what she said it says. We have no religious tests or requirements in this country. Which doesn't mean the public will actually vote for any loon that runs,it just means the loon has a right to run.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-23   19:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#14)

You say Trump won't. I think Trump will. Only time will tell.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-23   20:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#13)

" What she is doing is playing retail politics and trying to gather enough votes to win. "

I seriously doubt her espousing pro islam is going to garner her any votes.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-23   20:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Stoner (#17) (Edited)

" What she is doing is playing retail politics and trying to gather enough votes to win. "

I seriously doubt her espousing pro islam is going to garner her any votes.

As suicidally nutty as this God damned country has become, she might start a major trend that people rush to catch on to to show their tolerance then ride it into the White House whore house. I have absolutely no faith in the American people. If they had any brains or integrity at all, they would realize most of the so-called presidental candidates would not qualify as dog catcher and would have a bounty placed on their heads for their deliberate insult to the American people. They are a disgrace to the nation and the people who listen to them are a disgrace.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-23   21:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#16)

You say Trump won't. I think Trump will. Only time will tell.

True enough. Both of us can't be right.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-23   23:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Stoner (#17)

I seriously doubt her espousing pro islam is going to garner her any votes.

Maybe not,but it does remove on media "gotcha!" they can hang around her neck.

AND....,I'd like to point out that saying Muslim US citizens have the same rights as every other US citizen is hardly being "pro Islam".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-23   23:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

" saying Muslim US citizens have the same rights as every other US citizen is hardly being "pro Islam". "

True, they do have the same rights. What I meant by "pro islam" is how I think the average person would take it. I think she just wanted to take a position opposite of Dr Carson, trying to gain publicity.

Regardless, I do not think she made a politically smart statement. You may think different. Fine

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-24   7:41:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#19)

True enough. Both of us can't be right.

True enough.

So, we'll see.

I think that Trump will stay in to the primary votes, that he'll start running up victories, and he'll decide that adding "President Trump" to his titles suits him great.

You think he's playing us like the circus barker he is. We'll see. I'll be disappointed if Trump drops out, because then I have no candidate to vote for at all.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   14:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#22)

You think he's playing us like the circus barker he is.

He learned from PT Barnum...one of the best.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-24   14:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Stoner (#21)

Regardless, I do not think she made a politically smart statement. You may think different. Fine

I have no idea if the typical party person "feels" it to be smart or stupid. We all know they are incapable of an actual thought.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-24   14:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Fred Mertz (#23)

He learned from PT Barnum...one of the best.

PT Barnum was a shrewd businessman.

I'd rather have the successful leader of a century-and-a-half-old circus running the country than one of the seven dwarfs running against him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-24   14:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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