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Title: Trump Signs Loyalty Pledge. So What?
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Published: Sep 6, 2015
Author: Leon H. Wolf
Post Date: 2015-09-06 13:44:39 by CZ82
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Trump Signs Loyalty Pledge. So What?
By: Leon H. Wolf (Diary) | September 3rd, 2015 at 02:59 PM | 29
The cable news networks are all breathlessly reporting that after a one-on-one meeting with Reince Priebus, Donald Trump has signed a pledge in which he promises to support the eventual Republican nominee, regardless of who it might be. I am sure that in the corridors of the RNC national headquarters, they are all slapping themselves on the back confident that eventually Trump will fade away and that they have averted a third party disaster.
In the first place, I don’t think they have accomplished any such thing. I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion anymore that Trump will ever fade away – the length of his stay at the top suggests an actual level of staying power rather than a momentary fling. But moreover, if Trump wants to run third party, he will run third party. This pledge will do nothing to stop him from doing so, or from throwing the election to Hillary if he does.
If Trump does decide to run third party, he will not be doing it to win. He will be doing it to make a point. And so, it ultimately won’t matter whether he is excluded from the ballot in states like Ohio, because all he has to do in our increasingly polarized society is cost the Republican nominee a couple states like Virginia and Colorado and Ohio won’t matter.
Second, to the extent that violating the pledge will be used as a political weapon against him, it will be a remarkably ineffective one. Trump’s hardest core of support will not care one iota that he has violated a promise to Reince Priebus. In fact, they will see it as a feature, rather than a bug.
So at the end of the day, Trump has given up essentially nothing in exchange for the right to stay on the stage for all the debates and on the ballot in states like South Carolina. Which, frankly, shows that the GOP isn’t any better at negotiating with Trump than they are with the Democrats in Congress.
Moreover, I’m not entirely in favor of the RNC attempting to hold him to this pledge. In the first place, it places them in a position of weakness, basically groveling at Trump’s feet, knowing that he holds the cards. They didn’t require this from Ron Paul even after he endorsed Cynthia McKinney (and other nutjobs) in 2008. The fact that Priebus personally flew to Trump’s home terrain with this worthless piece of paper in hand indicates who’s really in charge here.
But more importantly, I think it sets a bad precedent on the merits. The Republican party can no longer command the loyalty of candidates as a condition of participation in the process. They’ve lost the moral authority with voters with their fecklessness over the years. They will have even less if (as expected) the party’s caucuses in Congress capitulate on Planned Parenthood funding in a couple weeks. While I get the special danger that Trump presents, I don’t like the idea of Priebus demanding of someone like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100% that they must support the nominee even if it turns out to be Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) 58%.
Look, I get that the issue is still important to some people, and let them hash that out in the debates. If a candidate won’t promise to endorse the eventual nominee, let the voters determine how much that matters and adjust their preferences accordingly. Don’t send Reince Priebus in to Trump’s lair with a meaningless piece of paper to wave about. That’s not how it’s been done before and I don’t think it’s how it should be done going forward.
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I wager he was begged to hold down the rhetoric, too. And he shall comply.
#2. To: CZ82 (#0)
But moreover, if Trump wants to run third party, he will run third party. This pledge will do nothing to stop him from doing so, or from throwing the election to Hillary if he does.
Exactly. It's not like it is a binding legal agreement,or that he has any principals whatsoever. The SOB is the King of declaring bankruptcy after stealing all the cash and assets from any company he takes over,leaving everybody but him suffering.
The ONLY thing you can count on Trump always doing is whatever he thinks is good for Trump.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#3. To: buckeroo (#1)
I wager he was begged to hold down the rhetoric, too. And he shall comply.
Me,too.
After all,he is such a modest fellow.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#4. To: CZ82 (#0)
Trump Signs Loyalty Pledge. So What?
Trump has gives a loud voice against the defiant insult, corruption, and subversion that has been taking place for far too long. Like him or not, he has freed many people from their repressed condition and into one of active rage. The consequence is apt to be a violent needed and necessary revolution in this country even if Trump dies off next month. The effort not to be hung by the unleashed forces of retribution is what motivates much of the antagonism toward Trump.
#5. To: sneakypete (#2)
The ONLY thing you can count on Trump always doing is whatever he thinks is good for Trump.
And the only thing we can count on the peter for is lying, promoting immorality. Anti Americanism anti constitutionalism.
And he is an in the closet sex pervert. Ashamed yet proclaiming perversion normal.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)
And the only thing we can count on the peter for is lying, promoting immorality. Anti Americanism anti constitutionalism.And he is an in the closet sex pervert. Ashamed yet proclaiming perversion normal.
Are you going to be suicidal when your lust bunny steps down?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)
And the only thing we can count on the peter for is lying, promoting immorality. Anti Americanism anti constitutionalism.And he is an in the closet sex pervert. Ashamed yet proclaiming perversion normal.
Are you going to be suicidal when your lust bunny steps down? I know. You will suddenly support JEB because he "is the lesser of two evils",and you are once again going to be surprised this happened.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#8. To: sneakypete (#7)
Did you marry your uncle yet?
#9. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#8)
Did you marry your uncle yet?
#10. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#8)
You might think this genre of humor is limited but you'd be wrong.
#11. To: TooConservative (#10)
I don't watch South Park. It's pretty stupid. But sometimes it is funny.
My brother is a big fan. I'm not. Don't get me wrong I'm not some prude.
#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Well, your remark about pete's uncle just made me think a moment and recall those comedy bits.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Did you marry your uncle yet?
No,I'm waiting for you.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#14. To: sneakypete (#13)
A K A Stone (#8)--- Did you marry your uncle yet?No,I'm waiting for you.--- sneakypete
For that event, I'd like to volunteer my services as best man...
#15. To: CZ82 (#0)
if Trump wants to run third party, he will run third party. This pledge will do nothing to stop him from doing so, or from throwing the election to Hillary if he does.
I have no expectation of him honoring the pledge .He said it is conditional on him being 'treated fairly '. That means as long as he is at the top of the polls he believes he's being treated fairly .If he begins to sink it will be a clear indication to him that he is not being treated fairly .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#16. To: tomder55 (#15)
He said it is conditional on him being 'treated fairly '.
He said that before. I didn't hear him say that when he signed the pledge.
#17. To: TooConservative (#16) (Edited)
He said it is conditional on him being 'treated fairly '.He said that before. I didn't hear him say that when he signed the pledge
"The chairman asked if he could come up,” Trump told reporters Thursday. He said he was “greatly honored” by the gesture and that Priebus has been “extremely fair. The RNC has been absolutely terrific.” Looking back at his history with the GOP, Trump said he was for decades a “fair-haired boy” as a top party donor, then became an “outsider” once he launched his campaign. After signing the pledge, he suggested that any lingering tensions have mostly abated.
“I got nothing,” Trump said. “The question was, what did I get for signing the pledge? Absolutely nothing, other than the assurance that I would be treated fairly. And I’ve seen that over the last two months, where they really have been very fair.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-sign-gop-pledge-commit-to-back- party-nominee/2015/09/03/c5d9ea7c-5242-11e5-9812-92d5948a40f8_story.html
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#18. To: tomder55 (#15)
If he begins to sink it will be a clear indication to him that he is not being treated fairly .
If he doesn't get the nomination. I hope he runs third party. Because of people like you I will never vote for your establishment piece of shit.
That's right you support pieces of shit.
#19. To: tpaine (#14)
Don't hold your breath. Pete just came out of the closet.
I'd rather kill a faggot then marry one.
#20. To: A K A Stone, tomder55 (#18) (Edited)
If he doesn't get the nomination. I hope he runs third party. Because of people like you I will never vote for your establishment piece of shit.
Uh-huh.
And you were otherwise planning to vote for the GOP candidate anyway? And have a record of steady voting for the GOP nominees? And live in a state where your vote actually might matter (not in the ~35 states that are so Red or so Blue that your vote only matters in the popular vote tally)?
#21. To: TooConservative (#20)
Say what cuck?
#22. To: buckeroo (#1)
I wager he was begged to hold down the rhetoric, too. And he shall comply.
I'm not so sure he will but I guess we'll find out soon enough, the next few days will give us a clue. If he does then he'll fade away just like the establishment wants...
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#23. To: rlk (#4)
Trump has gives a loud voice against the defiant insult, corruption, and subversion that has been taking place for far too long. Like him or not, he has freed many people from their repressed condition and into one of active rage.
Yes I've noticed that here and places I go and interact with others, I get asked a lot if I like/agree with Trump...
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#24. To: sneakypete (#2)
Exactly. It's not like it is a binding legal agreement,or that he has any principals whatsoever.
They wanted him to sign it because the establishment doesn't have any principles whatsoever and don't want Trump reminding the average voter of that fact. They will screw him every which way but loose if they can...
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#25. To: tomder55 (#15)
I have no expectation of him honoring the pledge .He said it is conditional on him being 'treated fairly '. That means as long as he is at the top of the polls he believes he's being treated fairly .If he begins to sink it will be a clear indication to him that he is not being treated fairly .
I think what comes out of his mouth will determine where he goes in the polls. If he keeps expanding on what subjects the American people feel are important then I think he'll stay at the top. But if he becomes a broken record (and only harps about illegal immigration) then he will be seen as a one trick pony and fade away.
What he'll do then, well heck I don't know...
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#26. To: CZ82 (#23)
Yes I've noticed that here and places I go and interact with others, I get asked a lot if I like/agree with Trump...
The Trumpkopfs behave like abused cult members, desperate for others to join them and follow their Pied Piper messiah.
#27. To: TooConservative (#26)
I get asked a lot if I like/agree with Trump...desperate for others to join them and follow their Pied Piper messiah.
I don't know if they are desperate or not but they are listening to what he's saying. Now whether they believe him and would vote for him well who knows.
I do hear all kinds of different comments like "he's right, he's a blowhard, he's full of schitt, he's a businessman that just wants to pass more legislation benefiting rich people, he's a businessman that understands what makes an economy run and would fix it"...
#28. To: CZ82 (#24)
They wanted him to sign it because the establishment doesn't have any principles whatsoever and don't want Trump reminding the average voter of that fact.
The average voters doesn't seem to be aware of anything. If they were,we wouldn't keep electing charlatans and cretins.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#29. To: TooConservative (#26) (Edited)
"The Trumpkopfs behave like abused cult members, desperate for others to join them and follow their Pied Piper messiah."
I agree that more and more are supporting Trump every day. But where's this desperation you're talking about?
The only desperation I see is from establishment Republicans and the press. Of comedic proportions.
#30. To: misterwhite (#29)
He is unable to control himself. Over and over again. It's like he's trying to alienate everyone.
He needs MORE TRUMP
The Donald Trump Channel
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs5CVvsn63q4wQVJKPh8pl_uOC9Y6AynR
#31. To: CZ82 (#25)
"But if he becomes a broken record (and only harps about illegal immigration) then he will be seen as a one trick pony and fade away."
I'd like to see him pick up on freedom of religion issues.
Voluntary prayer in schools. Religious objections to contraception and homosexuality. Public displays of religious symbols.
Big voting bloc.
#32. To: misterwhite (#31)
I'd like to see him pick up on freedom of religion issues.Voluntary prayer in schools. Religious objections to contraception and homosexuality. Public displays of religious symbols.
That's because you're a moron.
The last thing the public and even most of the GOP voters wants is another GOP prez harping on these issues.
#33. To: TooConservative (#32)
"The last thing the public and even most of the GOP voters wants is another GOP prez harping on these issues."
Uh-huh. And second to last was immigration. Don't want to offend those Republican Mexican voters, you know.
#34. To: TooConservative (#32)
The last thing the public and even most of the GOP voters wants is another GOP prez harping on these issues.
That is incorrect IMNSHO.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#34)
misterwhite posted on...A K A Stone posted on...
I rest my case.
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
A few Pubbies will pander to the fundies by supporting Kim Davis in the county pokey.
www.washingtonpost.com/ne...cky-to-support-kim-davis/
#37. To: Fred Mertz (#36)
A few Pubbies will pander to the fundies by supporting Kim Davis in the county pokey.
Huckster and Cruz. Yeah, I saw that. And Crispie sez state officials have to obey laws they don't like.
#38. To: TooConservative (#35)
misterwhite posted on... A K A Stone posted on...I rest my case.
You should rest your case you have none.
Trump wont run.. Trump wont file financials... Trump wont file with Fec... Trump may not even make the debates.... Trump will drop out... Trump will be out by third debate.
Who was theit that said all that shit. Oh that was you.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)
Even with your fave as the GOP frontrunner, you still manage to troll your own forum, nursing grudges as a sore-winner.
I've honestly never seen anything like it. A unique accomplishment.
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