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Title: Muslim flight attendant: I was suspended for not serving alcohol
Source: CBS
URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim- ... t-expressjet-airlines-alcohol/
Published: Sep 3, 2015
Author: CBS Staff
Post Date: 2015-09-06 09:37:11 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 44184
Comments: 251

A Muslim flight attendant filed a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claiming she was suspended from her job for not serving alcohol, which is against her religious beliefs, CBS Detroit station WWJ-AM reports.

Lena Masri, an attorney for the Council on American-Islamic Relations Michigan, said Charee Stanley followed management's directions, working out an arrangement with her coworkers to accommodate passenger requests for alcohol.

However, Masri said, ExpressJet Airlines put Stanley on administrative leave after another attendant filed "an Islamophobic complaint" that referenced Stanley's head scarf.

"We notified ExpressJet Airlines of its obligation under the law to reasonably accommodate Ms. Stanley's religious beliefs," Masri said at a news conference in Farmington Hills on Tuesday. "Instead, ExpressJet close to violate Ms. Stanely's constitutional rights, placed her on administrative leave for 12 months, after which her employment may be administratively terminated."

Masri said the arrangement Stanley had with other attendants to serve alcohol for her had been working out fine since Stanley converted to Islam about a month after becoming a flight attendant for ExpressJet.

"I don't think that I should have to choose between practicing my religion properly or earning a living," Stanley said. "I shouldn't have to choose between one or the other because they're both important."

Contacted by WWJ-AM for comment, airline spokesman Jarek Beem responded with the following statement:

"At ExpressJet, we embrace and respect the values of all of our team members. We are an equal opportunity employer with a long history of diversity in our workforce. As Ms. Stanley is an employee, we are not able to comment on her personnel matters."

The Islamic-relations council is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization with the mission "to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding."

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#185. To: redleghunter (#158)

she serves the smelly Muslims on the flight. Everyone wins.

Not unless she is serving them that sweet-tasting exotic western drink called "Anti-Freeze". I could really get behind that one.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: redleghunter (#159)

That seems to be an option. Or the sodomites could have went to another county.

Either would have worked,but the HOMOSEXUALS (I seriously doubt either of those Lesbians were sodomites) never took an oath or public money to obey the laws of the state and the US Constitution.

In other words,the woman in jail is the only one that was under any obligation,both legal as well as moral. She is in effect STEALING the public's money by virtue of fraud because she took money to perform a job she refused to do.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: redleghunter (#160)

It was illegal in KY for sodomite marriage prior to the SCOTUS ruling. She was elected prior to that.

How does that make any difference when it comes to what she did that got her locked up?

Was somebody forcing her against her will to not resign

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Vicomte13 (#161)

Nevertheless at our origins we were in one place, alongside a body of water, eating shellfish.

HorseHillary!

There is absolutely no proof at all of that being true.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: sneakypete (#187)

Was somebody forcing her against her will to not resign

If she resigned she would lose her manna from goobermint paycheck.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-07   16:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Fred Mertz (#189)

If she resigned she would lose her manna from goobermint paycheck.

Not only that,but she would lose out on the book deal and the speaking tour to fundie churches.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: buckeroo (#181)

You consistently discuss "God" as though the Jews invented the creature. That is your problem, not mine.

I have no particular problem at all. You merely have a problem comprehending me.

We have not been generically discussing God. We have specifically, on this thread and others, been discussing aspects of the moral law revealed by God.

If we were looking at physics, chemistry, astronomy and biology, we would not be discussing the moral law at all. God has a law of physics also, and we would be discussing that.

God first revealed his detailed moral law directly to Moses, and through him, to the Hebrews. Ancient Israel was the only human state that God ever ruled DIRECTLY, so by studying his laws, we study the statecraft of the King of Kings, and we discover various subtle provisions that God put in place that the Hebrews, at their level of development, could not even understand. They simply had to DO them.

With our greater knowledge, we can see what God was addressing - for example, with the cleanliness laws.

Jesus modifies the Jewish law and takes it out to the whole world. Still, this particular law is the only one that came from God, and that's why we have to study the Hebrew Torah: it's the only place where God himself laid out a complete law for mankind. All other law codes are man groping forward based on his own will, enlightened by God, perhaps, on a detail or two, but ultimately focused downward on material things and power. God's law alone keeps our eyes lifted off the dirt to understand that the reason WHY we must do these things that are hard is for our own ultimate good, because it pleases God. The Jewish cultural aspects of God's law are pretty irrelevant. That the Jews (partly) followed God's law for so long caused his law to form the structures of their part of their culture, so there is an affinity between aspects of God's law and Jewish culture, though they are long estranged.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: sneakypete (#188)

There is absolutely no proof at all of that being true.

Well, there actually is.

But you won't take a scientific tone but an angry emotional one. This stuff plays around with your superstitions. And I'm not so much up for a spit and vomit bath today, so I think I'll pass. Maybe another time.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: sneakypete (#184)

Human life did not spring up in a short time over a variety of places. Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Vicomte13 (#191)

[We] been discussing aspects of the moral law revealed by God.

And morality is not confined to Judeo-Christian religions.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Vicomte13 (#193)

Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin.

Where is this place? Shangra-la?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: sneakypete (#183)

BTW,which one of Eve's daughters was humping the go-rilla that fathered the Neanderthalls?

We don't know the names of any of Eve's daughters. We may know the names of some of the spirits that mated with them to spin off some odd progeny, however.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: buckeroo (#195)

Looks like somewhere in East Africa or the Middle East.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: buckeroo (#194)

And morality is not confined to Judeo-Christian religions.

True enough. Morality is the set of social customs.

The moral law revealed by God is the only true one that will lead to mankind's ultimate happiness, will cause him to please God, and will give him a place in the City of God in the afterlife, though. That's why it's the only one worth focusing on.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: Vicomte13 (#191)

With our greater knowledge, we can see what God was addressing - for example, with the cleanliness laws.

We can? Show comparative examples from around the world based on historic evidence.

Here is one example: If it wasn't for Marco Polo bringing back Chinease knowledge about how to wipe our own asses (circa ~1300), the Christians and the Jews would have still been a stinky lot of folk.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Vicomte13 (#198) (Edited)

The moral law revealed by God is the only true one that will lead to mankind's ultimate happiness, will cause him to please God, and will give him a place in the City of God in the afterlife, though. That's why it's the only one worth focusing on.

What God is this? Your God? Where is this God, so I can admonish the creature for all your silly concepts that do not lead to survival of the fittest?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: Vicomte13 (#197)

Looks like somewhere in East Africa or the Middle East.

You are referring to Babylon, correct?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: buckeroo (#199)

You are misinformed. The Romans wiped their asses using sponges on a stick.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: buckeroo (#200)

Where is this God, so I can admonish the creature for all your silly concepts that do not lead to survival of the fittest?

You will know soon enough.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: buckeroo (#201)

You are referring to Babylon, correct?

No. Not correct. I was referring to the Great Rift.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Vicomte13 (#203)

You will know soon enough.

I would rather face my maker with the force of free will as opposed to adhering to some faerie-tale that you adhere towards. At least I can go down as a MAN as opposed to some silly, little groveling idiot that shouldn't be on the planet anyways.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   17:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Vicomte13 (#204)

I was referring to the Great Rift.

It really doesn't matter. You are not capable or discussing factual data.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   17:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: TooConservative (#73)

Thanks for the article. Seems Hot Air is taking the conservative libertarian approach to government involvement in marriage. I noticed the disclaimer for age and consent. Interesting.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   17:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: Vicomte13 (#192)

But you won't take a scientific tone but an angry emotional one. This stuff plays around with your superstitions.

Oh,the irony!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   17:35:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Vicomte13 (#193)

Human life did not spring up in a short time over a variety of places. Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin.

BullBush!

NO life,be it plant or animal,suddenly leaps forward out of a vacuum. The ideal conditions have to exist for it to come into being,and when they do,life will suddenly appear all over.

Then again,you no doubt believe the fable about Noah and the Ark.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   17:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: tomder55 (#92)

I would advise Davis to resign. She was elected when sodomite marriage was illegal. Now according to 5-4 fiat it is not.

Then again the sodomite couple could have gone elsewhere.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   17:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Vicomte13 (#162)

Why is everyone making special accommodations for sodomites?

Do you REALLY want the answer to that question?

I'm sure I will get an answer:)

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   17:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: Vicomte13 (#170)

The three conscientious objector cases I was familiar with involved soldiers who converted to Islam. They would not fight against other Muslims. Two were chartered with a general discharge. One decided he was no longer Muslim when handed orders for Korea.

On a separate note...the majority Christian denomination in Army Special Forces is Catholic. You gung ho Catholics:)

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   18:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: TooConservative (#172)

Yet a bogus response. Restaurants like Applebees are not Saloons nor brothels.

You are pretty jaded these days.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   18:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: SOSO (#177)

What if a County Clerk decided only to issue licenses to gay couples and not to straights? Will you still insist that the striaght couples go to another county to get a license?

Sure. People used to cross state lines to get married in MD due to the younger age requirement.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   18:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: redleghunter (#213)

You are pretty jaded these days.

I think I'm becoming a grumbly non-voter. Putting up with people in the party swooning over obvious hucksters like, well, Cain or Carson or Trump has worn thin. It means there is no longer any point in voting at all, and it isn't as though there was any actual payoff for me personally before the GOP party base turned into gullible nutjobs.

This latest flap of the Supreme Clerk of Kentucky is just another Schiavo spectacle, another Cliven Bundy, another occasion to convince me that the GOP has some really really stupid voters and that I'm worn out paying attention to them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-07   20:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: sneakypete (#209)

Of course I believe in Noah's Ark. I believe in Pearl Harbor too. History is history.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   21:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: redleghunter (#214)

What if a County Clerk decided only to issue licenses to gay couples and not to straights? Will you still insist that the striaght couples go to another county to get a license?

Sure.

If you say so.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-09-07   21:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: redleghunter (#211)

Why is everyone making special accommodations for sodomites?

Do you REALLY want the answer to that question?

I'm sure I will get an answer:)

I'm not inclined to want to answer this one, because it cuts uncomfortably close to clairvoyance about a topic most don't want to know that people are clairvoyant about.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   21:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: TooConservative (#215)

I think I'm becoming a grumbly non-voter.

At last!

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   21:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#215)

I think I'm becoming a grumbly non-voter. Putting up with people in the party swooning over obvious hucksters like, well, Cain or Carson or Trump has worn thin. It means there is no longer any point in voting at all, and it isn't as though there was any actual payoff for me personally before the GOP party base turned into gullible nutjobs.

A bit late but welcome to the club. I that hope all the PolyAnna is gone.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-09-07   21:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: redleghunter (#212)

On a separate note...the majority Christian denomination in Army Special Forces is Catholic. You gung ho Catholics:)

The Catholic Church has historically been militant, and the ethnic groups that make up Catholicism tend to be hotheads or stubborn drunks.

And Catholicism cut its teeth passively getting devoured by the Romans for centuries, before finally getting the upper hand once Roman government fell apart. When the ethnic tribes of Europe emerged from Roman rule, they mostly emerged Catholic, and nothing like the passivist Greeks, Jews and urban Easterners.

Passively submitting and eschewing violence is not really a Latin, Celtic or Germanic trait. Something close to the opposite is.

And then, no sooner did the Empire recede, then the Muslims explode on the scene trying to conquer everybody. They managed to grab Spain and Southern Italy, for awhile, and raided and took slaves along the Mediterranean coasts. The Vikings came in the North too, and the Magyars in Central Europe, all in quick succession. The Catholic tribes didn't take it passively. They became "The Faith Militant". Hell, God even got into the game directly, calling a peasant girl to lead an army to drive out another army of Catholics out of France.

You don't find many Catholic vegetarians either.

"Catholic" is a culture as much as a religion, and it's a pretty ornery and militaristic culture too. Paul's bit about government being established by God - that's very deep Church doctrine.

If some serviceman claims to be a Catholic conscientious objector, the Catholic Chaplain will meet with him and tell him there is no such thing. Like it or not, we're all warriors in a world filled with devils, and we have to FIGHT Satan with temporal weapons just as much as we have to fight him with spiritual ones.

And because Catholics are not quarrelsome individualistic Bible readers but rather tribal in their culture, they look to the chief for answers. The chief is the Pope, and while Popes preach peace in the age of nuclear weapons, they were also preaching resistance. It's a very passive-aggressive religion, really...passive when force won't work (Concordats with Napoleon and Hitler), aggressive when it will.

Example: the Pope just ordered the Church to take a refugee family per parish all over Europe. Therefore, that will happen. The Church obeys the chain-of-command - the rest of Christianity refuses to admit there IS a chain-of-command LOL.

And then there are the Irish. Notre Dame - Our Lady of the Lake - dedicated itself by name to the sweet, gentle Virgin Mary...has not even a frisson of doubt about the contradiction of calling themselves the "Fighting Irish" and having a stereotypical monkey-man Mick with his fists up as their mascot. And they have their proud tradition that EVERYBODY (even the girls) all play Intramural football (it's true), And then there were the old days, with the famous Catholic monastic brother who was a coach in the athletic departments. When there was a dispute, it was "Alright, now, we're gon' t' settle this the way God intended!" and he'd hand the two disputants boxing gloves. Seriously.

Catholicism is not at its heart an intellectual religion like Eastern Orthodoxy. It's not all that pious. It's a more rough-and-tumble antidote-to-Islam sort of thing. It went awry in the 1960s trying to take down sex. The Church never said "Boo" for a thousand years of Kings and their open mistresses, but when the peasants start getting hooch the Church reacts. That was a mistake. We're all sinners. And we have to pick our fights.

I remember back at Annapolis in the 1980s that both USNA and West Point were majority Catholic, and there was a huge contingent of Catholics at Air Force also. It was a curious thing. I figured it was because the schools are competitive, and the Catholic Schools are a cheap private school system that has a lot of students. But I do think there was more to it than that.

I recall that there were very active Protestant proselytizers at Annapolis. Students who had their Christian fellowship groups and were very active, even aggressive, about recruiting. I remember that the agnostics/atheists - there are always a few - found them very annoying and would rail about them. The Catholics just ignored them. I remember trying to go to one of their meetings, but they told me no, I did not have the "proper spirit". In other words, "You're Catholic - you're the enemy!"

As the years have gone on, I observe that every one of the guys that I knew who stayed in for a full 20 year career and beyond is Catholic. Every one of them.

I had an Air Force general as a history prof, and I remember him saying once on a field trip that the service academies are actually majority Catholic. He opined that it was the Catholic service ethic.

I think it's that, but also more specific Catholic militarism. Catholicism is a hierarchical, monarchical religion, with a clear and undisputed chain-of-command. Catholics are from cultures that all still exist because of a military ethic.

Consider this too: the Catholics know when to be charitable. During World War II, the Catholic monasteries and the parishes were THE refuge for Jewish children. The Church took on all sorts of children, and women especially, men also, and pretended they were Catholic, pretended they were nuns in training, pretended lots of things. They saved a huge number of people. And the Jews remember. When you look at the way Jews feel about Christians, they really distrust the Evangelicals, and they are distant from Protestants, but they feel much closer to and more comfortable with Catholics.

The same thing is likely to happen in Europe because of the refugee crisis with Muslims. The Church, in fine, all over the continent, is going to take in Muslim families, one or two per parish. It'll get them housed and clothed and fed and set up with programs, and shepherd them through the system. And THOSE Muslims will end up carrying a lifelong gratitude to THOSE SPECIFIC Christians, the Catholics. It will create a bridge, but not from some idealistic thing, from very practical homes and food and safety - and always from a position of power, and structure. Magnanimity that overlooks the religious error of the refugee.

It changes things.

I'm not a Catholic because I like it. I don't, actually. I'm a Catholic because it's True.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   22:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: Vicomte13 (#221)

During World War II, the Catholic monasteries and the parishes were THE refuge for Jewish children.

Well, they do like to fuck children so it isn't that surprising.

And the Jews remember. When you look at the way Jews feel about Christians, they really distrust the Evangelicals, and they are distant from Protestants, but they feel much closer to and more comfortable with Catholics.

The Israeli Jews are quite close with evangelicals and conservative Prots. They loathe Catholics and miss few opportunities to make that clear. Demographically, American non-Orthodox Jews are dying out or being absorbed by Gentilism (atheism/agnosticism, intermarriage). Meaning that it is widely understood they are not Jewish in any meaningful sense and they will disappear from history as so many other Jews have done over the long centuries, something even American rabbis speak openly about now.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-07   23:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: TooConservative (#222)

That's fine. It was good for awhile. Now that the generations have turned, the world is different. Now it's time for a Palestinian state, to curb Jewish pretensions.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   23:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: cranky (#0)

No shiite, Moo (pigpiss be upon you).

Time to get a real religion; your fake one is going away.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2015-09-08   10:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#40)

Please cite the Kentucky law that authorizes her to issue faggot pretend marriage licenses.

You mean, the same laws that require her to issue interracial marriage licenses?

The Kentucky state law still forbids same sex marriage but must be considered null and void following Obergefell. It should also be noted that Davis has declined to issue any marriage licenses to anyone to avoid a discrimination charge. But do all the people have a constitutional right to get married, and are the actions of Davis interfering with those constitituional rights?

The below article gives the best review of the applicable law that I have seen.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) of Kentucky comes into play, as well as Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. It is very much worth the read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/04/when-does-your-religion-legally-excuse-you-from-doing-part-of-your-job/

The Volokh Conspiracy
opinion

When does your religion legally excuse you from doing part of your job?

By Eugene Volokh Washington Post September 4, 2015

NO TEXT - Washington Post source

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-08   12:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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