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Title: Muslim flight attendant: I was suspended for not serving alcohol
Source: CBS
URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim- ... t-expressjet-airlines-alcohol/
Published: Sep 3, 2015
Author: CBS Staff
Post Date: 2015-09-06 09:37:11 by cranky
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Views: 44183
Comments: 251

A Muslim flight attendant filed a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claiming she was suspended from her job for not serving alcohol, which is against her religious beliefs, CBS Detroit station WWJ-AM reports.

Lena Masri, an attorney for the Council on American-Islamic Relations Michigan, said Charee Stanley followed management's directions, working out an arrangement with her coworkers to accommodate passenger requests for alcohol.

However, Masri said, ExpressJet Airlines put Stanley on administrative leave after another attendant filed "an Islamophobic complaint" that referenced Stanley's head scarf.

"We notified ExpressJet Airlines of its obligation under the law to reasonably accommodate Ms. Stanley's religious beliefs," Masri said at a news conference in Farmington Hills on Tuesday. "Instead, ExpressJet close to violate Ms. Stanely's constitutional rights, placed her on administrative leave for 12 months, after which her employment may be administratively terminated."

Masri said the arrangement Stanley had with other attendants to serve alcohol for her had been working out fine since Stanley converted to Islam about a month after becoming a flight attendant for ExpressJet.

"I don't think that I should have to choose between practicing my religion properly or earning a living," Stanley said. "I shouldn't have to choose between one or the other because they're both important."

Contacted by WWJ-AM for comment, airline spokesman Jarek Beem responded with the following statement:

"At ExpressJet, we embrace and respect the values of all of our team members. We are an equal opportunity employer with a long history of diversity in our workforce. As Ms. Stanley is an employee, we are not able to comment on her personnel matters."

The Islamic-relations council is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization with the mission "to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding."

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#167. To: Vicomte13 (#161)

If you trace back your human origins through chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA, you will discover that geneticists speak of chromosomal "Adam" and mitochondrial "Eve".

It is a metaphor.

Your argument starts right off stinkin' to high heaven.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   13:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: buckeroo (#167)

The NAMES are a metaphor - the REALITY of genetic origins in single individuals is the point. The names are metaphorically given to the original individuals.

That you don't understand that is surprising.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   13:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Vicomte13 (#168)

The names are metaphorically given to the original individuals.

Science s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-s metaphors to within the local culture, it serves. And why not? You think the Jewish culture came before the Swahili?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   13:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: redleghunter (#163)

But that's the thing. If I knowingly sign up for the Army, and take the benefits, knowing full well what the Army does in combat, but THEN God touches me, perhaps once I've SEEN combat, and I realize that what I am doing is evil and that I am serving Satan - THAT is the very situation where conscientious objection matters the most.

The individual has already gotten the benefits, and sees and knows what it is, and he has changed his mind. He believes that it is wrong to do what he has been doing, what he was trained and paid to do, and what he used to support.

MAYBE he is gaming the system. MAYBE he is telling the truth. Let's suppose he IS telling the truth (let's say the person is you, so you KNOW you're telling the truth). You're not dealing with men of faith who understand your objection. You're dealing with men for whom your "defection" is a giant pain in the ass. Indeed, your departure increases the danger to them, because now somebody who is less skilled has to come in. And why should YOU be able to save YOUR ass from getting killed, and go home and get to use that education, while THEY have to stay far from home and maybe die?

That's the mentality of everybody doing the judging, which is why conscientious objectors historically had a very bad time. During World War II. Oh, so you're an objector, eh? Well then, we're going to put you right in the FRONT LINE of the MOST DANGEROUS stuff of all, a field medic. Nobody can object to that on moral grounds. So now you're MORE LIKELY to get killed than if you just took your chances. We're going to make you conscientious objectors BLEED more than regular people, to PROVE your objection by having a greater chance of getting killed than the soldiers. (THAT'll teach ya!)

It does indeed teach SOMETHING.

There's a lot of bad faith in the judgment process of conscientious objection. The default position is that the objector is a weasel trying to get out of something.

So, how does he prove his status? Historically this has been tough. For example, Catholics cannot be conscientious objectors, because the Catholic Church does not as a doctrinal matter recognize the status, saying that there's a duty to serve lawful orders. Tough luck if you're a Catholic. Effectively, you have to have joined a pacifist religion.

Now, perhaps things are at times relaxed, but often not.

Truth is, the solution is very simple: permit resignation for reasons of conscience. If there is still an obligation period, require a pro-rata payback of whatever benefits were obtained.

But such an approach is not morally satisfying to those in dominance, and it is very important psychologically for them to put any alleged conscientious objector through hell.

The easier way to avoid combat in past times was to smoke a joint or suck a dick. Those things, which military pagans consider dirty or dangerous, will get you booted. But want to leave for RELIGIOUS reasons. Professional killers are not fans of excessive religious sentiment. You know what I mean.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   13:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: buckeroo (#169)

I think the Basque culture came before all of them. Age of culture is not interesting when speaking of divine revelation. God is older than all, so if God bends down and tells an American what happened when, and the American writes it in modern English, that's STILL more accurate than the ancient contemporary accounts of what happened, because it's God, and his memory is perfect, and also his knowledge of everything that really happened.

The Scriptures TELL US when the Hebrew culture was made: it was made by God with slaves from all over the place, in the desert, after the Exodus from Egypt. The written Hebrew language was devised by God to record the stories. There was no Hebrew literature before that. The Hebrews didn't EXIST as a large people before that.

Egyptian, Sumerian and many other cultures are much older. But that doesn't make any difference because God spoke in Hebrew, and his knowlege is perfect, so to the extent that there were earlier records, what God said in Hebrew CORRECTS those records, because he's God.

Obviously.

This has nothing to do with Mitochodrial Eve and Chromosomal Adam though, other than the metaphoric names for the first specimens of each sex being named after the English words that translate the Hebrew Scriptures.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   13:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: redleghunter (#164)

I knew that was going to be your response.

I am predictable enough.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-07   13:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: A K A Stone (#89)

As for the Muslim flight attendant, her complaint is still pure BS.

You've gone to the dark side.

You support tyranny.

You support anarchy. We are supposed to live in a society of laws. Religious tyranny is just a foul as any other type of tyranny. If your conscience prevents you from doing a lawful job then find another job. Her refusal to perform gay marriage is totally feeble and inane. Irrespective of her position and assuming that she gets out of jail she still is living in a country that tolerates, if not supports, gay marriage. To where is she going to hide to escape that fact? To where is she going to run?

I don't want my elected officials deciding what laws they will obey and enforce and what they won't. That is flat out tryanny if not totalitarianism. If you don't like the laws they campaign to change them. If you can't muster enough support to change the laws to your liking then you have another decision to make.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-09-07   13:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Vicomte13 (#171)

Obviously.

Your concept of "God" is cultural; in your case, you think Judaism is the most profound religion on the planet. It has little to do with objectivity or any serious truth about the world around us, you argue from cultural experience is all.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   13:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, redleghunter, Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#73)

When this topic has come up in the past, one of the chief differences we noted between the Kim Davis situation and this one is that Judge Day and the rest of the judges in the state are not required to perform any wedding ceremonies. They are legally entitled to do so, but it’s an optional service they can perform above and beyond their normal duties on the bench. But this “ethics investigation” probably never could have taken place had he not made a point of telling his staff to forward the gay marriage requests to other judges. What’s left out of the local coverage above, though, is the timeline. The judge is no longer officiating any weddings at all, but an AP report seems to indicate that his decision was rolled out in stages. (Yahoo News)

A leftist media induced strawman story.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-09-07   13:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: SOSO (#173)

Religious tyranny is just a foul as any other type of tyranny. If your conscience prevents you from doing a lawful job then find another job. Her refusal to perform gay marriage is totally feeble and inane.

Good post.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   13:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: redleghunter (#159)

Then she should resign.

That seems to be an option. Or the sodomites could have went to another county.

Why is everyone making special accommodations for sodomites?

So it's OK with you that an elected public offical can inconvenience me by forcing me to go outside my county to go go to mass because that offical won't allow a Catholic church to be built or otherwise opened in my county?

What if a County Clerk decided only to issue licenses to gay couples and not to straights? Will you still insist that the striaght couples go to another county to get a license?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-09-07   13:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: buckeroo (#174)

Why is everyone making special accommodations for sodomites?

My knowledge of the existence of God is based on direct personal revelation and miracle.

I have fleshed out my understanding of who God is and his historical interaction with people through the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Scriptures, and by considering also certain Vedic and Bhuddist writings.

God is. That I know directly. Likewise, I know that America is, today, because I live in it. For me to know God or America BEFORE my immediate time, and to understand what each means more profoundly, I have to read. Hebrew, Christian and Muslim writings are the most accurate sources of information about the particular God who talked to me and saved my life by miracle.

That's my concept of God. Culture's got nothing to do with it. In fact, as I read I have to control for culture and strain it out, so that can discern what God himself says and does from the cultural reactions and writings about it.

If you really want to argue with me about what I believe, then you need to start with the proper factual basis. My concept of God is not cultural. Id ton't think that Judaism is the most profound religion on the planet. Catholicism is. My view of God has everything to do with objectivity and the desire to absolutely precise.. The world around us is the God-made proving ground for all ideas.

I more than ignore cultural experience. When speaking of God, I actively denigrate it and shred its dignity, and claim that culture must always be thrown away as evil garbage whenever and wherever it conflicts with the pure moral pronouncements of God.

You will not find a person more hostile to culture as a normative force than me. Culture is entertainment, food styles, art. But as a basis for law, it is shit. All of it. Including American.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   13:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Vicomte13 (#178)

My knowledge of the existence of God is based on direct personal revelation and miracle.

That is a fairly limited perspective.

What sets mankind apart from all other animals on the planet is the respect for the dead; hence a reverence of a creator. Mankind is the only animal on the planet that buries the dead.

This has been going on for millions of years and is not limited to any Jewish tradition.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   14:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: buckeroo (#179) (Edited)

That is a fairly limited perspective.

Yes. Like Galileo's. He looked through a telescope and all he really saw were the moons of Jupiter. Which is really just a little thing, objectively speaking. So, Jupiter has moons. Who knew? Now Galileo knew.

But one little objective fact that other people don't know, or don't know for sure, can change everything. Depends on what the fact is, and what mind has it in its possession.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   15:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Vicomte13 (#180)

You consistently discuss "God" as though the Jews invented the creature. That is your problem, not mine.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   15:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: buckeroo (#145)

Oh Horseshit!

Incest has been an issue since the begiining of time; the probability of children being born with inferior capabilities is well known and understood well before any Jews.

Exactly. That was one of the prime reasons different prehistoric tribes attacked one another,and took children and young women captive. They understood they needed to deepen the gene pool if the tribe was going to survive.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Vicomte13 (#150) (Edited)

And anyway, with Cain, we're talking about our grandfather, because all of us are descended from him.

There were eight people on the Ark: Noah and his wife Naamah, and their three sons. Everybody descends from one of those sons, and the sons descend from Noah and Naamah. So, Noah and Naamah are our last common grandparents.

Some people will believe anything.

BTW,which one of Eve's daughters was humping the go-rilla that fathered the Neanderthalls?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Vicomte13 (#152)

Incest was required at the beginning of the species. Always is for all species. It's the nature of things.

Unless of course life springs up independently in several places in a short span (relatively speaking) of time,which it does.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: redleghunter (#158)

she serves the smelly Muslims on the flight. Everyone wins.

Not unless she is serving them that sweet-tasting exotic western drink called "Anti-Freeze". I could really get behind that one.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: redleghunter (#159)

That seems to be an option. Or the sodomites could have went to another county.

Either would have worked,but the HOMOSEXUALS (I seriously doubt either of those Lesbians were sodomites) never took an oath or public money to obey the laws of the state and the US Constitution.

In other words,the woman in jail is the only one that was under any obligation,both legal as well as moral. She is in effect STEALING the public's money by virtue of fraud because she took money to perform a job she refused to do.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: redleghunter (#160)

It was illegal in KY for sodomite marriage prior to the SCOTUS ruling. She was elected prior to that.

How does that make any difference when it comes to what she did that got her locked up?

Was somebody forcing her against her will to not resign

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Vicomte13 (#161)

Nevertheless at our origins we were in one place, alongside a body of water, eating shellfish.

HorseHillary!

There is absolutely no proof at all of that being true.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: sneakypete (#187)

Was somebody forcing her against her will to not resign

If she resigned she would lose her manna from goobermint paycheck.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-07   16:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Fred Mertz (#189)

If she resigned she would lose her manna from goobermint paycheck.

Not only that,but she would lose out on the book deal and the speaking tour to fundie churches.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: buckeroo (#181)

You consistently discuss "God" as though the Jews invented the creature. That is your problem, not mine.

I have no particular problem at all. You merely have a problem comprehending me.

We have not been generically discussing God. We have specifically, on this thread and others, been discussing aspects of the moral law revealed by God.

If we were looking at physics, chemistry, astronomy and biology, we would not be discussing the moral law at all. God has a law of physics also, and we would be discussing that.

God first revealed his detailed moral law directly to Moses, and through him, to the Hebrews. Ancient Israel was the only human state that God ever ruled DIRECTLY, so by studying his laws, we study the statecraft of the King of Kings, and we discover various subtle provisions that God put in place that the Hebrews, at their level of development, could not even understand. They simply had to DO them.

With our greater knowledge, we can see what God was addressing - for example, with the cleanliness laws.

Jesus modifies the Jewish law and takes it out to the whole world. Still, this particular law is the only one that came from God, and that's why we have to study the Hebrew Torah: it's the only place where God himself laid out a complete law for mankind. All other law codes are man groping forward based on his own will, enlightened by God, perhaps, on a detail or two, but ultimately focused downward on material things and power. God's law alone keeps our eyes lifted off the dirt to understand that the reason WHY we must do these things that are hard is for our own ultimate good, because it pleases God. The Jewish cultural aspects of God's law are pretty irrelevant. That the Jews (partly) followed God's law for so long caused his law to form the structures of their part of their culture, so there is an affinity between aspects of God's law and Jewish culture, though they are long estranged.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: sneakypete (#188)

There is absolutely no proof at all of that being true.

Well, there actually is.

But you won't take a scientific tone but an angry emotional one. This stuff plays around with your superstitions. And I'm not so much up for a spit and vomit bath today, so I think I'll pass. Maybe another time.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: sneakypete (#184)

Human life did not spring up in a short time over a variety of places. Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Vicomte13 (#191)

[We] been discussing aspects of the moral law revealed by God.

And morality is not confined to Judeo-Christian religions.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Vicomte13 (#193)

Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin.

Where is this place? Shangra-la?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: sneakypete (#183)

BTW,which one of Eve's daughters was humping the go-rilla that fathered the Neanderthalls?

We don't know the names of any of Eve's daughters. We may know the names of some of the spirits that mated with them to spin off some odd progeny, however.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: buckeroo (#195)

Looks like somewhere in East Africa or the Middle East.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: buckeroo (#194)

And morality is not confined to Judeo-Christian religions.

True enough. Morality is the set of social customs.

The moral law revealed by God is the only true one that will lead to mankind's ultimate happiness, will cause him to please God, and will give him a place in the City of God in the afterlife, though. That's why it's the only one worth focusing on.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: Vicomte13 (#191)

With our greater knowledge, we can see what God was addressing - for example, with the cleanliness laws.

We can? Show comparative examples from around the world based on historic evidence.

Here is one example: If it wasn't for Marco Polo bringing back Chinease knowledge about how to wipe our own asses (circa ~1300), the Christians and the Jews would have still been a stinky lot of folk.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Vicomte13 (#198) (Edited)

The moral law revealed by God is the only true one that will lead to mankind's ultimate happiness, will cause him to please God, and will give him a place in the City of God in the afterlife, though. That's why it's the only one worth focusing on.

What God is this? Your God? Where is this God, so I can admonish the creature for all your silly concepts that do not lead to survival of the fittest?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: Vicomte13 (#197)

Looks like somewhere in East Africa or the Middle East.

You are referring to Babylon, correct?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: buckeroo (#199)

You are misinformed. The Romans wiped their asses using sponges on a stick.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: buckeroo (#200)

Where is this God, so I can admonish the creature for all your silly concepts that do not lead to survival of the fittest?

You will know soon enough.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: buckeroo (#201)

You are referring to Babylon, correct?

No. Not correct. I was referring to the Great Rift.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Vicomte13 (#203)

You will know soon enough.

I would rather face my maker with the force of free will as opposed to adhering to some faerie-tale that you adhere towards. At least I can go down as a MAN as opposed to some silly, little groveling idiot that shouldn't be on the planet anyways.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   17:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Vicomte13 (#204)

I was referring to the Great Rift.

It really doesn't matter. You are not capable or discussing factual data.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   17:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: TooConservative (#73)

Thanks for the article. Seems Hot Air is taking the conservative libertarian approach to government involvement in marriage. I noticed the disclaimer for age and consent. Interesting.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   17:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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