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politics and politicians Title: Exclusive: RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to Meet with Donald Trump to Discuss ‘Loyalty Pledge’ A source with knowledge of these matters has confirmed to Breitbart News exclusively that, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus will meet with Donald Trump “at Trump Tower in Midtown Manhattan tomorrow afternoon to discuss the ‘loyalty pledge‘” to the Republican party. The source also tells Breitbart News that requesting candidates to sign a pledge has been a topic of discussion and internal debate the the Republican National Committee for several weeks. Politico reported earlier today that the RNC planned a pledge that was designed to “force the front-runner’s hand after his ref”:
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest The Republican Party platform has been pro-life for decades. In the last election cycle every candidate EXCEPT for formerly open and notorious pro-abort Mitt Romney signed the pro-life pledge. He refused to sign it - categorically refused - and yet he was the nominee. He was not stricken from primaries and caucuses for the refusal to commit absolutely to a fundamental plank of the Republican platform. This is the same thing. Except that the Republican party really isn't pro-life, so they were never going to actually derail Mitt merely for refusing to sign a pledge to back a fundamental plank of the platform. But the Republican Party this time is hellbent on winning, and hellbent on NOT having Trump as the nominee. So far he has refused to sign the pledge, because he's watching the way that the Republicans treat him. And they have not treated him well at all. They have attacked, attacked, attacked. And they will continue to do so. They just want his pledge so they can demolish him without him being able to then credibly run third party. He should refuse Priebus' request. No loyalty pledge. If the Republican Party is loyal to him, he will be loyal to it. Otherwise, he will campaign as an outsider and take it over. And if they block him, he will take it down and hand victory over to the Democrats. The Republicans have been handing victory after victory to Obama in Congress, so there's nothing outrageous about a Republican politician knifing the party in the back. It's just that this time the men who think of themselves as being in charge of the Republican Party find a man stronger than they are, and capable of destroying them, so they're trying to negotiate. He'll negotiate a deal: I'll give the pledge, CONDITIONED on the GOP candidates and the formal party not attacking me. Since they can't STOP him without attacking him, they'll break their pledge first, and then he'll be able to use that to campaign against them. They will have done to Trump what they've done to the country - but Trump will be able to fight back. If he agrees, he has to put the poison pill in the agreement that neutralizes the Republican ability to attack him. In other words, to get him to agree to back the Republican, they have to muzzle the Republican machine and thereby ease his way to becoming the nominee. I will pledge to back the candidate, if you pledge to back me in my quest to become the candidate. Otherwise, I will become the candidate anyway, and then I will become head of the party and throw you out.
#2. To: cranky (#0) South Carolina already has one as a prerequisite for getting on the ballot. Trump doesn't have much time left . Sept 30 is the deadline to get on the ballot for the crucial South Carolina primary. Virginia and North Carolina are also considering such a pledge . Virginia also has a sore loser law, which prevents anyone who loses in a primary from appearing on the ballot later as a third party candidate. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? #3. To: cranky (#0) As opposed to band-aid fixes, why doesn't the GOP central committee actually over-haul their fucked-upped operations? Doesn't anyone remember how the GOP shut out Ron Paul in the last election? I would rather vote for the god-damned communist party as opposed to dealing with the GOP and their shenanigans. Their candidate is Jeb! and I want him shut out as well.
#4. To: cranky (#0) Exclusive: RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to Meet with Donald Trump to Discuss ‘Loyalty Pledge’ The discussion should begin with a question to Priebus asking him where his loyalties lie.
#5. To: tomder55 (#2) Sept 30 is the deadline to get on the ballot for the crucial South Carolina primary. Virginia and North Carolina are also considering such a pledge . These laws may be challenged since the Court has steadfastly refused to allow any qualifications for office of president besides the three listed in the Constitution. When it comes to presidential qualifications, the Court is very originalist, all while committing any egregious act using the commerce clause, inventing rights to privacy for abortion or right to "dignity" to create sodomy marriage. Even if these laws were allowed to stand, Trump could argue he could win without those states and run a full-blown punish-the-GOPe campaign to deliberately sink the GOP nominee.
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#1) And if they block him, he will take it down and hand victory over to the Democrats. I hope he can and I hope he does. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #7. To: tomder55 (#2) South Carolina already has one as a prerequisite for getting on the ballot. Trump doesn't have much time left . Sept 30 is the deadline to get on the ballot for the crucial South Carolina primary. Virginia and North Carolina are also considering such a pledge . Virginia also has a sore loser law, which prevents anyone who loses in a primary from appearing on the ballot later as a third party candidate. The RNC has rigged the game. No surprise there. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #8. To: rlk (#4) The discussion should begin with a question to Priebus asking him where his loyalties lie. Priebus is a wholly owned subsidiary of Karl Rove. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #9. To: buckeroo (#3) Doesn't anyone remember how the GOP shut out Ron Paul in the last election? What about the way they let Harry Reid steal the election rather than back Sharron Angle? Since Nv wouldn't go for Sue Lowden, Rove and the RNC decided they would rather 'work with Reid' because Angle was 'too extreme'. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #10. To: buckeroo (#3) I would rather vote for the god-damned communist party as opposed to dealing with the GOP and their shenanigans. Where do I sign up?
#11. To: cranky (#9) What about the way they let Harry Reid steal the election rather than back Sharron Angle? It is called conspiracy. It is called conspiracy against the state. It is called the two party unification plan.
Since Nv wouldn't go for Sue Lowden, Rove and the RNC decided they would rather 'work with Reid' because Angle was 'too extreme'. What do you or anyone expect when a two party system, that has coalesced into singularity? Take Hillary Clinton as an example for wanton intent of violation of rules for her private server carrying publick secrets; not much of a peep out of any of the singular partie's left or right jackmouth, even with a tongue hanging out.
#12. To: cranky (#8) Priebus is a wholly owned subsidiary of Karl Rove. No. He's a product of the Koch machine and its Walker machine in Wisconsin. Rove is increasingly a marginal player though he can still raise a lot of money for specific targeted ad campaigns under his Crossroads brand.
#13. To: Vicomte13, cranky (#1) He'll negotiate a deal: I'll give the pledge, CONDITIONED on the GOP candidates and the formal party not attacking me. Since they can't STOP him without attacking him, they'll break their pledge first, and then he'll be able to use that to campaign against them. When Trump signs the pledge, that is when the GOP super PACs will open up on Trump with millions in attack ads. They are just waiting for his pledge.
#14. To: TooConservative (#12) No. He's a product of the Koch machine and its Walker machine in Wisconsin. We'll just have to agree to disagree about that. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't #15. To: nolu chan (#13) Trump can always break the pledge. Truth is, I'll vote for Trump. I hate the GOP's guts, but I'll vote for Trump. If the GOP nominate anybody else from their pack of dwarves, I will not vote for them. There are millions like me. So, if the GOP wants to open up with their attack ads, if those ads work at all and Trump is knocked off as the GOP nominee, then the GOP has handed the election over to the Democrats. Trump is acceptable, but after him, it would be better to have Democrat rule than to allow the GOP to win. I won't vote for Democrats, but I certainly won't vote for the GOP either. The Democrats are the plurality party. With Trump, the Republicans have something special: somebody who can bring out independents and cross-over votes. but without Trump, the Republicans are a minority party for a reason: they're idiots on everything and crash the economy into the ground whenever they get power. The plurality of the people know that, so they won't give the GOP power again. 2014 was the Republicans' last hurrah. They were not given power because anybody liked them, but because the people were mad at Obama. The people are not mad at Obama anymore - he won, and he's gone anyway. So the inside baseball of the GOP is pretty irrelevant. They will be defeated in the general election unless it's Trump. If they take him down from within, they will be going down to defeat, so they will reap what they sow.
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#15) There are millions like me. It sounds like Nixon's Silent Majority is alive and well.
#17. To: TooConservative (#5) These laws may be challenged since the Court States run elections ;and all have qualifiers on who can get on the ballot . Here in NY they are more willing to let 3rd party challenges and we get stupid stuff like THE RENTS TOO HIGH party on the ballot . There are other things parties can do where they "rig" elections . These include the Dem appointing 'Super Delegates' to conventions ; States qualifying electors etc. The Appeals court already decided that SC's sore loser law was Constitutional . http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-4th-circuit/1531943.html That doesn't mean that he would not find a way around such laws in the general election ,or party rules for getting his name on primary ballots . But he would have to consider the timeframe and costs of such challenges to the party. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? #18. To: tomder55 (#17) Here in NY they are more willing to let 3rd party challenges and we get stupid stuff like THE RENTS TOO HIGH party on the ballot . There are other things parties can do where they "rig" elections . Since a single candidate can be the nominee of multiple parties in NY (a unique state), this is a matter of expanding opportunities to appear on a ballot systematically. Sore-loser laws are about limiting or excluding candidates based on any arbitrary criteria a state might enact, beyond the three qualifications in the Constitution. And the Court has been steady against allowing more state intrusions. We haven't seen a real test of these sore-loser laws before the modern Court. Perhaps they would stand, perhaps not.
#19. To: TooConservative (#18) We haven't seen a real test of these sore-loser laws before the modern Court. Perhaps they would stand, perhaps not. or it could be a moot point. www.politico.com/story/20...gop-loyalty-pledge-213302 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? #20. To: tomder55 (#19) The text of the pledge: “ Silly and completely unenforceable to require an endorsement later. What, if Trump doesn't endorse some other eventual nominee, South Carolina is going to send him to prison or something? Any fine they might devise would be something he could laugh off. Besides, consider the last two election cycles. Ron Paul didn't endorse McCain but he wasn't otherwise disloyal to the GOP. If Ron Paul had won the nomination, what use would a McCain endorsement be to him, any more than a Ron Paul endorsement would be useful to McStain. Ron Paul was much more friendly with Romney but he didn't endorse him either, again not encouraging anyone to stay home or giving any "two wings of the same war bird" speeches during the campaign season. Requiring an endorsement is stupid. Asking them to pledge to support the nominee or at least keep quiet until the election is over is as far as the RNC or any state should go with this pledge business.
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#15) So, if the GOP wants to open up with their attack ads, if those ads work at all and Trump is knocked off as the GOP nominee, then the GOP has handed the election over to the Democrats. That is an acceptable result for the GOPe. Trump threatens nobody as much as he threatens the GOPe, who could be rendered irrelevant.
#22. To: tomder55, TooConservative (#17) There are other things parties can do where they "rig" elections. Yeah, they can draw strange district maps.
#23. To: nolu chan (#22) Yeah, they can draw strange district maps. Don't overlook the extremely valuable voter data that the party distributes to its candidates and especially to the nominee. Even with Trump's money, it would be hard for him to win the general election without it. You can't replicate that much data quickly or cheaply. The GOP and Dims both pay to keep their voter records up-to-date and to gather other valuable data on voters that it would be hard for any indy or third-party candidate to collect and use. The cost of collecting it alone would be prohibitive. This is, of course, merely another element of the two-party stranglehold on the presidency and congressional races.
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