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Title: Trump TV! All Trump, All The Time!
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Ace Of Spades
URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358501
Published: Aug 16, 2015
Author: WeirdDave
Post Date: 2015-08-16 14:05:05 by Tooconservative
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Views: 4344
Comments: 24
Say what you will about Donald John Trump, but how many of us wish that Romney had had the balls to run an ad like this 3 years ago? I'm betting the number is as close to 100% as you can get. If Romney had done that, we'd be gearing up for his re-election campaign, not endlessly arguing about Donald Trump. I remain constantly amazed at how badly the Trump candidacy is being handled by the Republican Party as a whole. Frankly, if I were Reince Priebus, when Trump started to gain traction I would have gotten down on my knees and praised God with tears of joy pouring from the corners of my eyes. Donald Trump could be the greatest thing to happen to the Republican Party since Lincoln got a gleam in his eye about slavery, but they're too dumb to recognize it. Stupid party indeed. First of all, the Republican Party should recognize that we're fifteen months away from the election. I know that politics is their business, and it's human nature to elevate the importance of what one does to prominence over everything else, but one should also have a bit of historical knowledge as well. I don't believe there has been a candidate in the modern era who has lead in the polls fifteen months out from an election that has even won their party's nomination, much less the presidency. Say, does anyone remember Senator Ted Cruz's filibuster? The one that was supposed to doom Republican hopes in the next election? It took place 9/24/2013, just fourteen months before the Republicans crushed the Democrat party in 2014. Trump wants to put his bombastic ass out there? Fine. Excellent, even. The party should be paying him to do so. Why? Well, for one thing, Donald Trump is a gigantic target, the ultimate “kick me” sign. He's sucking all of the air from the room, and garnering all of the attention of everyone on the left. How great is that? The Republican Party should be content to let Trump suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous Democrats. It's a golden opportunity to get their own house in order while nobody is looking, you know, dig up a another candidate who was a governor before the lifetime of anyone alive today, replace the batteries in Jeb so that he's more dynamic, that kind of thing. Letting Trump go be The Donald is a good bet, no matter how you slice it. It’s more than likely that he'll crash and burn, just because of who he is, and in that case you've gained a respite. Afterward you can ask Trump to campaign for the eventual nominee. Plus he'll be a lot less likely to run third party and hand the election to the Democrats if he's treated with respect while he is running. Finally, on the off chance that he does maintain his momentum and gets the nomination, by not attacking him you'll be in a better position to co-opt him for the general. “Congratulations Donald, you're the Republican nominee, what can we do to help? Here are all the resources we have in place as a party. Let's talk about how they can best be used to your advantage.”. He's been a businessman all his life, making deals is his bread and butter, that's what he'll be looking to do. But making deals with people who've been personally attacking him for months? Yea, not gonna happen, and anyway the Republican party isn't having any of that, no siree Bob! The correct solution is obviously to attack the 25% of Republicans who are currently supporting Trump, thereby making it less likely that the base will vote for whoever the nominee winds up being. Jesus Hallmark Christ these people are stupid. Second, Trump is providing the invaluable service of testing the water. He's the ultimate marketing survey. Every other candidate should be making notes as to what Trump is saying that is resonating, and adjusting their candidacy accordingly. You couldn't pay for a poll that in depth and detailed, and Trump's serving it up on a platter. So far the only one doing this is Ted Cruz. As a Cruz guy, I think that's great. I freaking love Donald Trump because Cruz is using him just as I'm advocating in this article. The consultant class hate it, one of them was on CNN Friday lamenting : Look, I'll make it even simpler than that. I've been in sales type jobs my entire life. I'm an insurance agent, and while I don't treat it as my place to “sell” my clients anything, it's more about simply matching their needs, I am aware of the techniques. One of the simplest is to simply listen, the client will tell you what they want. For example, suppose I'm meeting with someone who needs health insurance. In our conversation, he tells me that he's concerned about having insurance to cover his check ups. Now, buying health insurance to pay for preventive care is stupid. It's cataclysmicly dumb. Depending on how emphatically they emphasize the point, I may even think to myself “Good Lord you're an idiot”. Do I tell them that? NO! What I do do is emphasize how each policy handles well visits as I'm reviewing them. I mean, how hard is that? Trump is doing the Republican Party the invaluable service of showing them what to focus on, and they are too inbread to see it. The above quote from CNN comes from someone who thinks he can tell people what they should do instead of listening to what they want. That's someone who has forgotten that politicians work for the people, not the other way around. Trump mania is a crystal clear example of the people trying to make that point to the political class. Will they be smart enough to listen? So far, all signs point to no. You do not benefit by trying to draft behind Donald Trump and hope that he collapses and his low-information supporters run into your arms. This is a guy who is increasingly leading a fraction of the conservative base into a very dangerous cul-de-sac. He is promising things that he can never deliver. And it is time for Jeb Bush and other folks to start posting up and really comparing and contrasting Donald Trump’s rhetoric with the reality.
Poster Comment:
This is the Instagram ad that caused a stir a few days back. Some of the commentary is interesting. How to use Trump as marketing litmus, perhaps broadening the range of political discourse against the Left's PC onslaught.
Of course, this writer thinks Trump will flame out and his guy Cruz will reap the benefit of what Trump has been doing to draw new voters toward the GOP. So he has an ulterior motive. : )
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To be honest, TooConservative, I genuinely feel YOU ARE OF YOUR FUCKIN' MIND.
#2. To: buckeroo (#1)
, I genuinely feel YOU ARE OF YOUR FUCKIN' MIND.
Let he who has never voted for a Republican or Democrat, cast the first stone. ~Hondo bible
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#3. To: buckeroo (#1)
To be honest, TooConservative, I genuinely feel YOU ARE OF YOUR FUCKIN' MIND.
I suppose I might be insulted if I understood what you're babbling about.
This is a straightforward opinion piece with a semi-trashy title. It does have that Instagram ad that everyone was chattering about a few days back. We hadn't had a copy of it here at LF yet.
I think the writer is correct that if Trump implodes, Cruz will reap by far the biggest benefit from Trump's supporters. So the Cruz people tend to like The Donald, thinking that his recruiting of new voters will benefit Cruz who will become frontrunner when Donald finally blows up.
#4. To: hondo68 (#2)
Let he who has never voted for a Republican or Democrat, cast the first stone. ~Hondo bible
You're likely describing the Trump supporters. Only 40% are estimated to be registered voters. The other candidates all have supporters who are registered voters of over 95%.
A big question is whether Trump can get them registered and get them all to turn out to the IA caucus for an evening in December to support him.
#5. To: TooConservative, *2016 The Likely Suspects* (#4) (Edited)
The other candidates all have supporters who are registered voters of over 95%.
Romney probably had similar, but many of them stayed home. If the candidate is caca, it doesn't matter how many registered voters there theoretically are.
Meghan Kelly likes caca (Jeb! & Hillary!).
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#6. To: hondo68 (#5)
Romney probably had similar, but many of them stayed home. If the candidate is caca, it doesn't matter how many registered voters there theoretically are.
Even so, Trump's support may only be half of what it is estimated to be currently in polling (leaving aside how many polls are now online polls, not telephone polling).
So maybe Trump is really only at 15% instead of 30% when it comes time to caucus or register/vote. Even if he has twice as many supporters, it does him no good if they don't vote/caucus.
#7. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#0)
Second, Trump is providing the invaluable service of testing the water. He's the ultimate marketing survey. Every other candidate should be making notes as to what Trump is saying that is resonating, and adjusting their candidacy accordingly.
h/t misterwhite: "That's what's great about Trump. He is finally saying out loud what we've been thinking -- bought politicians, stupid people in government, empty promises."
I can picture the other 18 candidates saying we have bought politicians, stupid people in government, and empty promises.
I'm not sure how well that would work for GOPe politicians, but they should all give it a shot.
#8. To: TooConservative, hondo68 (#6)
So maybe Trump is really only at 15% instead of 30% when it comes time to caucus or register/vote.
Fox News Poll: Shakeup in GOP field after first debate, Sanders gains on ClintonBy Dana Blanton
Published August 16, 2015
FoxNews.comThe explosive first Republican debate has shaken up the 2016 GOP presidential race.
Who’s up? Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and businesswoman Carly Fiorina. Who’s down? Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.
The Democratic side’s getting more interesting too, as Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders continues to make gains on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS
Those are just some of the highlights in the latest Fox News national poll of registered voters. First, the nomination races:
Businessman Donald Trump still leads the field for the Republican nomination. He gets 25 percent among GOP primary voters. He was at 26 percent before the debate. Trump’s support among women went from 24 percent two weeks ago to 21 percent now. He mostly held steady among men (28 percent).
The real-estate mogul maintains his first-place status despite also being judged in the poll as having the worst debate performance and being considered the least likeable Republican candidate. More on that later.
The August 6 Republican presidential debate was hosted by Fox News Channel in Cleveland. Several of the exchanges at the debate remained in the news for days after.
Next in the GOP race is Carson, who garners 12 percent. That’s up five percentage points since the debate and puts him in double-digits for the first time since mid-June. Cruz captures 10 percent, up four points.
Bush has dropped to nine percent. That’s down six points -- and puts him in single digits for the first time since April. That’s likely a result of his debate performance, which was judged subpar by those who watched. Bush does well on other measures -- he’s seen as both likeable and qualified.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee held steady at six percent. Walker slips to six percent -- down three points and the lowest support he’s received for more than a year.
Fiorina garners five percent support (+3 points), with Kasich (+1) and Rubio (-1) both at four percent. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Paul each get three percent. The remaining candidates are at one percent or less.
The top favorites among the white evangelical Christians are Trump (27 percent), Carson (14 percent), Cruz (12 percent), Bush (10 percent) and Huckabee (9 percent).
On the Democratic side, Clinton drops below 50 percent for the first time, while Sanders keeps climbing. She leads among Democratic primary voters by 19 points (49-30 percent). Two weeks ago Clinton was up by 29 points (51-22 percent). A month ago she had a 40-point advantage (59-19 percent).
Vice President Joe Biden, who is undeclared, receives the backing of 10 percent.
The remaining Democratic candidates are at one percent or less.
[...]
The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,008 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from August 11-13, 2015. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters, and five points for both Democratic and Republican primary voters.
#9. To: nolu chan (#8)
Perhaps the GOP base is going liberal.
Trump, Carson and Fiorina are all pretty liberal on various issues or have been over the years. Gun control, PBA, amnesty, they are all worse than their GOPe counterparts.
I think this little summer fling with the "outsiders" will run its course.
#10. To: TooConservative (#0)
I don't believe there has been a candidate in the modern era who has lead in the polls fifteen months out from an election that has even won their party's nomination, much less the presidency.
Short memory. George W. Bush.
#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)
True enough. There have been a number of heavy frontrunners 15 months out, like Hitlery and Giuliani in August 2007. They both looked unstoppable.
Perhaps more important is that America has not elected a non-politician since Eisenhower. We stopped nominating non-pols back in the Forties.
Of course, these supposed rules are only true until suddenly they're not. GHW Bush supposedly couldn't win in '88 because no sitting VP had won in 150 years. Which was all true until he won easily. Gore came very close to doing the same in 2000. Now you don't hear the pundits recite that discredited rule.
#12. To: TooConservative (#9)
I think this little summer fling with the "outsiders" will run its course.
BINGO ! I do like the image of Trump with a 'kick me ' sign on his rear .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#13. To: tomder55 (#12)
BINGO ! I do like the image of Trump with a 'kick me ' sign on his rear .
I confess that I did tune in to a 9 a.m. Sunday MSM show that I rarely watch - because the Donald was the main interview (on tape/off studio). Maybe it was Deface the Nation or the other one.
He adds a certain entertainment value to this primary election cycle.
A good friend of mine, who normally can't stand New Yorkers, says he'll vote for Trump. Why? "Because he pisses everybody off."
#14. To: tomder55 (#12)
BINGO ! I do like the image of Trump with a 'kick me ' sign on his rear .
That is because you are a liberal.
Pat Buchanan is a conservative. Trump is mostly conservative.
You're a sell out to America with your free traitor position.
You also don't know history.
Smoot Hawley is a liberal talking point lightweights like Al Gore use.
You're an Al Gore conservative. Which isn't conservative at all.
#15. To: Fred Mertz (#13)
A good friend of mine
Sounds like a good guy. Keep him as a friend.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#14)
if you think that across the board tariffs is the answer then you are a Herbert Hoover conservative ;which is no conservative at all.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#17. To: tomder55 (#16)
Tariffs didn't cause the depression. That is left wing propaganda.
You agree with the guy who said “But in gneral, the protective system of our da day is conservative while the trade system is destructive. It breaks up old n nationalities and pushes the antgonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoise to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”
#18. To: tomder55, marxists (#16)
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/karl-marx-said-push-free-trade-to-ba bankrup bankrupt-the-capitalist-nations-and-bring-communism-into-2544402.html
Karl Marx was looking for ruthless price war conducted through non-controlled free trade would lead to capitalist nations not being able to sell their products at profit and ending up bankrupting one another to fight for the world market through free trade. Thi Thi This would lead to the eventual bankruptcy of the capitalist nations and then Communism by default would take over the world economy and economies of all nations on earth.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
Tariffs didn't cause the depression. That is left wing propaganda.You agree with the guy who said “But in gneral, the protective system of our da day is conservative while the trade system is destructive. It breaks up old n nationalities and pushes the antgonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoise to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.”
I agree with the people who said : “The freer the flow of world trade, the stronger the tides for human progress and peace among nations.” ;“Few measures that we could take would do more to promote the cause of freedom at home and abroad than complete free trade.” “When goods don’t cross borders, Soldiers will.”
I judge the opponents of free trade with the company they keep . You make common cause with Bernie Sanders ,Nancy Pelosi , Elizabeth Warren. They are the statist, socialists, and Marxists . Not me .
Tariffs did not cause the depression ? Before Smoot-Hawley there was a market downturn and a recession (and many economist argue that the market was reacting in anticipation of Smoot-Hawley as it made it's way through Congress ) . The trade wars that came with protectionism extended the recession and turned it into a depression and also was a major contributory factor in the war that followed . American exports declined from about $5.2 billion to $1.7 billion, mostly agricultural products such as wheat, cotton and tobacco. As a result, many American farmers defaulted on their loans.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#20. To: tomder55 (#19)
Tariffs didn't cause the depression.
The Federal Reserve did.
You're against the people who work for a living.
What kind of work do you do?
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
What kind of work do you do?
Manufacturing . The business I work for does very well because they are able to sell their goods in the foreign market .Tariffs and retaliation by countries we sell to would adversely affect business. We are looking to tear down trade barriers over seas so we can sell more product .
Face the facts ;you are in favor of government intervention in the marketplace . That is not a conservative position . It is a statist position.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#22. To: nolu chan (#7)
"I can picture the other 18 candidates saying we have bought politicians, stupid people in government, and empty promises."
Then they would really look like the puppets they are.
#23. To: tomder55 (#21) (Edited)
Face the facts ;you are in favor of government intervention in the marketplace . That is not a conservative position . It is a statist position.
I'm in favor or protecting American jobs from slave labor.
You would have the enemy China flood us with slave labor so they can aim nukes at us.
There is nothing wrong with trading. It is just unfair trade. Where we sell them potato chips and they sell us micro chips.
I think you're a good guy. You're not a pure marxist. But your free trade ideas have their root in Marx.
I'm for trade with other nations.
You just can't let nations like China where the wages are very low flood our country with slave labor to destroy our economy. That is what is happening. Wake up.
Trade deals should be unliateral between nations.
Not some New World Order organization telling us what to do.
You're for big globalist government. I'm for America looking out for ourselves.
Under the constitution which you apparently don't support. Congress is supposed to regulate the value of our money.
You don't support Trump because he disagrees with you on what Karl Marx said.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)
You just can't let nations like China where the wages are very low flood our country with slave labor to destroy our economy. That is what is happening. Wake up.
Bingo...
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
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