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Title: Exclusive: Jeb Bush Linked to Drug Cartels, Money Laundering
Source: Infowars
URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-j ... -laundering-while-serving-cia/
Published: Aug 13, 2015
Author: Wayne Madsen
Post Date: 2015-08-13 16:01:02 by Hondo68
Keywords: Texas Commerce Bank, City National Bank of Miami, Bush embeds in Langley
Views: 3879
Comments: 24

Jeb should explain his association with violent cartels


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During the recent Republican presidential candidates’ “debate” in Cleveland, former Florida Governor John Ellis Bush (JEB) wanted to recount his eight years as governor of the Sunshine State; however, it is not Bush the politician who should be of interest to voters but Bush the Central Intelligence Agency “non-official cover” banker in Venezuela and Miami-based real estate businessman/money launderer who should alarm the American electorate.

While Jeb’s brother, George W. Bush, glossed over his AWOL status with the Texas Air National Guard, Jeb does not have a military record to defend but he does have a CIA employment record to fess up to.

Jeb’s early work in Venezuela and south Florida is much more troubling than Dubya pretending to be on active duty in Texas while he was actually off in Alabama helping a GOP U.S. Senate campaign and getting sloppy drunk in redneck bars. Jeb should fully explain his relationship with Alberto Duque, a Colombian national who laundered drug money for the Medellin and Cali narco-cartels and Nicaraguan contras while serving as owner of City National Bank of Miami and president of the General Coffee Company of Colombia.

Apparently, there was more than coffee arriving in sacks of coffee coming into Miami from Colombia. Duque financed a $30 million real estate development project run by Jeb Bush.

In 1983, Duque was convicted for fraud and sent to federal prison. Duque hired a Bush family CIA crony to serve as City National Bank’s president.

He was Don Beazley, who previously worked for the CIA’s Nugan Hand Bank in Australia. Before it collapsed, Nugan Hand was responsible for laundering money from the CIA’s Golden Triangle opium and heroin smuggling operations from Southeast Asia’s Golden Triangle and paying off U.S. surrogates in Asia, including Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Suharto in Indonesia, Park Chung Hee in South Korea, and various Thai generals.

In return for CIA money gifts, Marcos ordered his Energy Minister, Geronimo Velasco, to have the Philippines National Oil Corporation enter into business relationships with three Bush family-owned businesses: Zapata Petroleum Corporation, Zapata Offshore Company, and Overbey Oil Development Corporation. The three Bush firms were also linked to various CIA activities, including the abortive 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba.

Jeb Bush’s Texas Commerce Bank was also the bank used by the Zapata companies. Velasco died of a sudden heart attack in San Francisco in 2007. Velasco’s Republic Glass Corporation became a holding company that owned a number of British Virgin Islands-based subsidiaries.

Beazley had also been president of Great American Bank of Miami. The bank was indicted for drug money laundering in 1982. Beazley also negotiated the sale of Second National Bank of Homestead, a subsidiary of Great American, to Nugan Hand. It was in this environment of interconnected CIA money laundering banks that Jeb Bush found himself and his real estate business immersed in the 1980s.

On January 25, 1980, Frank Nugan, the Australian co-founder of Nugan Hand Bank, was found dead in his car near Bowenfels, New South Wales from a “self-inflicted” rifle shot wound to his head. The card of ex-CIA director William Colby, who, himself was found floating in Chesapeake Bay, Maryland in 1996, was found in Nugan’s pocket.

Colby was Nugan Hand’s legal counsel. Hand had planned to move with his wife and three young children to Florida but someone apparently did not like the idea of Nugan showing up in Florida during the year George H W Bush was trying to become the president of the United States.

After serving as vice president for Texas Commerce Bank in Caracas from 1977 to 1979, Bush joined his father’s presidential campaign in 1980. Serving with Bush on the campaign was the CIA official who gave him his in-brief at Langley in 1977, Robert Gambino, the deputy director of security at the agency.

In the 1980s, Jeb Bush provided liaison between his father’s national security adviser, Donald Gregg, and various Florida-based right-wing Nicaraguan and Cuban exile organizations helping to fight the clandestine war against the Sandinista government of Nicaragua.

Jeb was appointed by his father to the board of the National Republican Institute, the GOP branch of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the CIA-financed money laundering operation that saw millions pour into the coffers of the Nicaraguan contras, Cuban exile groups, and Salvadorean, Guatemalan, and Honduran death squads.

Jeb acted as a liaison between Dr. Mario Castejon, a right-wing candidate for president of Guatemala, and Vice President Bush. Castejon sought funding for a secret shipment of arms to the contras and other right-wing rebel groups in Central America that would be masked as “medical supplies.”

Jeb Bush’s relationship with City National Bank, whose other senior director was Leonard Abess, a director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Foundation, ensured that a large share of NED money flowed to Israeli security firms like Tadiran, which helped Guatemala and Honduras track down leftist guerrillas and exterminate them.

Jeb Bush’s current support for Israel stems from his early business relationships with Zionists like Abess and other offshoots of the Meyer Lansky “Kosher Nostra” crime family in south Florida. Abess is currently a member of the Federal Reserve Bank branch of Miami. [See linked article below in “Summary” on pre-9/11 Fed money movement to Fed branch in Miami].

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Jeb’s thank you letter to Gambino after his 1977 CIA in-briefing at Langley. Texas Commerce Bank was owned by the family of James Baker, an early George H W Bush adviser as well as close friend.

It could be argued that Jeb Bush, from his in-brief by Gambino at the CIA in 1977, to his unsuccessful run for governor of Florida in 1994 was a reliable CIA and Israeli asset.

In 1990, Jeb urged his father to pardon Cuban terrorist Orlando Bosch, a man wanted for the 1976 bombing of a Cuban civilian passenger plane that had taken off from Bridgetown, Barbados.

Jeb Bush was also a supporter of the U.S. House of Representatives candidacy of Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, one of the most rabid anti-Castro and pro-Israeli members of Congress. Jeb also succeeded in having his father name Dexter Lehtinen, Ileana’s husband, to be U.S. Attorney for Southern Florida.

Lehtinen permitted a number of Jeb’s friends in the Cuban and Jewish communities in southern Florida to escape prosecution for crimes ranging from drug money laundering to narcotics smuggling and contract assassinations to banking fraud.

Most of Jeb’s business friends were CIA-linked bankers. In addition to Beazley, Duque, and Abess, these included Paul Helliwell, a Miami-based lawyer and the owner of two CIA money laundering banks, Great American Bank of Miami, later bought by Nugan Hand and indicted in 1982 for drug money laundering, and Castle Bank & Trust Ltd. of Nassau in the Bahamas.

Helliwell, a veteran of the Office of Strategic Security (OSS) during World War II, died at the age of 62 on Christmas Eve of 1976, just a few weeks before George H W Bush departed as CIA director.

The autopsy said Helliwell died from “complications of emphysema.” Castle Bank shut down in 1977, the same year that Jeb moved to Caracas to work for Texas Commerce Bank.

An affiliated bank that shared directors with Castle Bank, Mercantile Bank & Trust of Freeport, Bahamas, also suspended operations in 1977. Castle Bank, which had laundered CIA money to pay off such dictators as Marcos in the Philippines, Rafael Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, and Anastasio Somoza in Nicaragua, saw much of its revenue initially come from Nationalist Chinese drug smugglers operating out of the Golden Triangle in Southeast Asia.

In addition to Nassau, Helliwell’s Castle Bank operated out of the Cayman Islands and Panama. Among the bank’s account holders were the Pritzker family of Chicago, which owns the Hyatt Hotel chain, and the daughter of President Chiang Kai-shek of Taiwan. Between 1964 and 1975, Helliwell’s major CIA front company, Sea Supply Corporation, ran covert military operations against Cuba from Andros Island, the largest island in the Bahamas.

Jeb’s business deals also put him in close contact with two other Florida banks, Northside Bank of Miami, owned by the Cali cartel, and the Popular Bank and Trust Company, once owned by Nicaragua’s Somoza but transferred to CIA control after his assassination by Sandinista commandos in Paraguay in 1980.

After his return from Caracas to Florida in 1979, Jeb befriended the right-wing Nicaraguan community as much as he did the right-wing exiled Cubans. Much of the billions of dollars that the Somoza family stole from Nicaragua ended up in CIA-connected banks that helped finance Jeb’s many real estate and other ventures.

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Jeb Bush as CIA “NOC” in the late 1970s [left]. Is Jeb Bush [right circled] at the 1980 funeral of ex-Nicaraguan fascist dictator Anastasio Somoza at Miami’s Woodlawn Park Cemetery? Others in attendance included U.S. Representatives Larry McDonald (D-GA) and John Murphy (D-NY). Somoza was assassinated by a Sandinista car bomb in Asuncion, Paraguay. The explosion left only Somoza’s feet intact.

One of Gambino’s last acts as the CIA’s director of security was to preserve the myriad of CIA special clearance categories, including those that permitted NOCs like Jeb Bush and drug- and arms-smuggling proprietary companies and money laundering banks to flourish.

The Carter administration had ordered the intelligence community to reduce its compartmented access system with over 50 code words to just five special code word compartments by July 1980. The National Security Agency and Gambino balked and the new system, code named APEX, never materialized.

When Jeb’s father became vice president in 1981, APEX was scrapped for the original system, which saw the number of special compartments grow in number in order to accommodate operations that included trading weapons for hostages with Iran and covertly funding the Nicaraguan contras.

One CIA official who was alarmed over APEX was the man who CIA director George H W Bush named as deputy director for covert operations in 1976, Ted Shackley, aka the “Blond Ghost.” Shackley was an old colleague of George H W Bush stemming from his days as the station chief of JMWAVE, the Miami CIA office dedicated to overthrow Fidel Castro in Cuba.

It was there that Shackley and Bush became involved with Cuban exile and mafia parties that were later tied to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.

The “Cuba thing” was mentioned by President Richard Nixon on Oval Office tapes subpoenaed in the Watergate scandal. It is now known that the “Cuba thing” was code for the assassination of Kennedy and the CIA’s involvement in the operation.

Shackley was also involved with Donald Gregg in the Phoenix assassination program in South Vietnam and Project FUBELT, the CIA operation to overthrow President Salvador Allende of Chile on September 11, 1973.

An undated TOP SECRET memo to Shackley from a CIA official whose name is redacted but believed to be Gambino provides details of Shackley and the CIA’s security division opposition to APEX.

The memo states:

“there is no intention of establishing under the Community Security Group responsibility for a centralized computerized data base of all SCI [Sensitive Compartmented Information] approvals. The CSG has no functional role in this area at this time, and one is planned for the future. The CIA Special Security Center’s Compartmented Information Branch is the home of the community service on special access certifications and records. They handle SPECLE . . . Any effort to upgrade the SPECLE system is years away. Further, NSA has taken no steps toward inputting their COMINT clearances.”

In other words, the policy of President Jimmy Carter and his CIA director, Admiral Stansfield Turner, to limit CIA special compartments and display more accountability was being undermined by two Bush embeds in Langley, Gambino and Shackley.

Shackley and Gambino were eventually forced by Turner to retire. The almost limitless penchant of the CIA to create special compartments permitted assets like Jeb Bush at the Texas Commerce Bank and Barack Obama, Jr. at Business International Corporation to evade public scrutiny as CIA employees.

In a January 24, 1980 memo, to Gambino from the CIA member of the APEX Steering Group, special compartments are described as as protecting “industrial” personnel working for the CIA, NSA, and Defense Intelligence Agency.

Shackley became involved in the “October Surprise” plot by Bush and William Casey against Carter, also known as the “arms-for-no-hostages” conspiracy. Gambino joined the 1980 Bush for President and, later, the Reagan-Bush campaign. According to Jeff Stein, writing for Newsday’s July 25, 1980 issue, joining Gambino on the campaign were at least 40 other ex-CIA officers hired by Bush and Casey.

Jeb Bush’s rise to financial and political power in Florida is coupled with a trail of dead bodies, failed banks and savings and loan institutions accused of laundering money for the CIA, and dubious characters who served as CIA assets.

Until Jeb Bush fully accounts for his business activities in the 1970s, 80s, and early 90s, he is actually more unfit for the presidency than his draft-dodging and AWOL status brother, George W. Bush. (3 images)

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Until Jeb Bush fully accounts for his business activities in the 1970s, 80s, and early 90s, he is actually more unfit for the presidency than his draft-dodging and AWOL status brother, George W. Bush.

If we out Americans who are not agents but who have the opportunity to provide valuable information to our intelligence services from their civilian capacity, then citizens will not volunteer to do that anymore.

And if they don't, we will lose significant information we would otherwise have at little cost or risk.

If you believe that intelligence gathering is a needed activity, you do not want to go to this place.

You do not want to go here EVEN IF it lets you attack your hated opponent. Because you have enemies who will kill you and your family if they can, and we need robust information sharing to make that not happen.

It seems like a good line of questioning. Don't go here. Bush was a good guy here, not a bad guy. To PROVE that to you everything would have to be put on the table, and if you do that, you still won't be satisfied, but some people will get their throat slit, and fewer people will be willing to cooperate with us.

Don't go here.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13   16:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

There are too many who believe the end justifies the means.

Don  posted on  2015-08-13   16:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#1)

some people will get their throat slit

If they're named Bush, Clinton, Cheney, Gore, Ovomit etc. it's a plus for America and the world.

Yeah, it's "Top Secret" that the D&R party is corrupt, and will gladly screw We The People for money & power! /s


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-08-13   17:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Don (#2)

There are too many who believe the end justifies the means.

Example: Strategic bombing of cities during World War II.

The weapons of war were not precision, and whole areas of cities, full of innocent children, were wiped out with massive losses.

The resources that went into those airplanes and bombs should have gone into to tactical ground attack aircraft, to attack military forces and destroy railroads, not civilian houses.

The desire to win a war does not justify bombing civilian residences.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13   17:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68 (#3)

It may be that what we get out of intelligence efforts is not really worth the violations of civil liberties and freedoms that it entails, and that we should cease intelligence gathering efforts.

If we don that, we cannot take a militarist posture in the world. We could take a Swiss posture.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13   17:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4) (Edited)

The U.S. estimated that some quarter of a million casualties would be taken by the United States if the Japanese mainland were invaded. The casualties on Okinawa were a simple prelude. The U.S. dropped numerous bombs on Japanese forces during the war. Civilians, many, many, committed suicide on Okinawa rather than surrender because they were told that American forces would be very harsh with them. Japanese civilians on the Japanese mainland were prepared to fight American forces invading Japan. Japan refused to surrender.

I realize that many people are very critical of America using nukes against Japan. I believe that America was very correct and legal to use nukes, more powerful bombs, to bring the war to a close. Do you think otherwise?

Don  posted on  2015-08-13   19:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Do you think that the Government is above the law? That is, should they be permitted to commit crimes that the Government itself has ruled illegal for American citizens?

Don  posted on  2015-08-13   19:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: hondo68 (#0)

Exclusive: Jeb Bush Linked to Drug Cartels, Money Laundering

What's exclusive about news that was public knowledge 20 or more years ago?

His ugly wife was returning from visiting with one of them in Paris when she was busted for trying to smuggle jewelry and furs back into the US without paying cusotms duty on them.

Prior to him and his brother fleeing Mexico ahead of arrest warrants,she and JEB used to vacation for weeks at a time on one or the other of the Salinas family haciendas in Mexico.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-13   19:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

The desire to win a war does not justify bombing civilian residences.

In theory it can because it might help convince the locals to overthrow their leaders and shorten the war,but the reality is all it almost ever does is piss off the people to the point where even the ones that didn't approve of the government or their war start supporting them.

The obvious exceptions being the two A-Bombs dropped on Japan. Mostly because the military and political leadership knew they were going to be the next targets. Once we convinced them the Emperor and his family would be immune from war crimes trials,they couldn't surrender quickly enough.

In these two cases it probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives because prior to that the Japenese were determined to fight to the last man,woman,and child.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-13   19:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#0)

Jeb Bush Linked to Drug Cartels, Money Laundering

He could be directly linked to Beelzebub's entire family and I still don't give a fuckin' damn.

WHy is he running for US President? To free the "migrants?" Oh sure.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-13   21:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: hondo68 (#0)

In 1977, Bush was 24yo. He got a tour at CIA just after his dad's 1-year tenure as Ford's CIA director which ended in January 1977.

It takes more than a Wayne Madsen thank-you note to prove that Bush has been a CIA asset since 1977.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-13   23:08:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#11)

Bush has been a CIA asset since 1977

Jeb!'s daughter has a nose like a Hoover, and so do the Clintons. The Koch brothers can't pay for everything, the D&R party needs drugs to finance their election graft.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-08-13   23:47:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hondo68 (#0) (Edited)

While this tidbit of Jeb's history is admittedly quite interesting (as is the ENTIRE Arbusto family history), NONE are more interesting than the phantom history of the current Asset-in-Chief OR the Bonnie and Clyde of American politics -- Bubba and Bubette.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-14   0:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: hondo68 (#12) (Edited)

Jeb's family makes Jimmy Carter's family seem like the Cleavers.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-14   0:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#14)

" Jeb's family makes Jimmy Carter's family seem like the Cleavers. "

LOL !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-14   8:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Don (#7)

Do you think that the Government is above the law? That is, should they be permitted to commit crimes that the Government itself has ruled illegal for American citizens?

I think that the only REAL law is the law of God. Government laws are really laws if they comport with the law of God in all respects including - just as importantly - the procedural safeguards that are part of God's law. (I started to elaborate, but it went long so I deleted it).

God's law is the only legitimate law for mankind. "Governments" do not have the right, or authority, to impose restrictions on human liberty beyond what God imposed. They also have no right to relax the restrictions that God did impose. Nor do they have the authority to exonerate government officials from the sentences required under God's law. Nor do they have the right to make "law enforcement exceptions" to God's law against lying, or "war exceptions" to God's law against killing the innocent.

So no, not only is government not ABOVE the law - government barely has the right to DO anything under God's law. Government laws that depart from God's law are not themselves law, and men who use deadly force to enforce laws that are contrary to God's laws are simply murderers before God who will all be thrown into Hell at judgment. It doesn't matter that their governments authorized them to kill, and their government laws said it was ok, and they firmly believed themselves morally to be in t

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-14   11:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#9)

In theory it can

In human theory. In divine theory it is always wrong to kill innocents. Always. God makes no exception for war. And he makes no exception for self- defense. If you must kill an innocent child in order to live, then you must remember that you will, in fact, live forever after your death, and you must accept death yourself. If you kill that innocent child so that you can live in the flesh a little while longer, rather than accepting your own death, which is inevitable anyway, you have prolonged your life in the flesh for a while longer, at the cost of spending eternity damned in flames as a murderer of an innocent.

Not a good trade.

Human reasoning says that none of that "after death" stuff is real, so it does not go on the scale.

That's why atheists can nuke cities, but those who follow God can never do it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-14   11:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Don (#6)

I realize that many people are very critical of America using nukes against Japan. I believe that America was very correct and legal to use nukes, more powerful bombs, to bring the war to a close. Do you think otherwise?

If we can save ten children's lives by taking one child, killing him and cutting him into pieces and using them, what we have really done is killed an innocent, and extended the fleshly lives of ten others for awhile, after which they will each die anyway.

So, have we done good by killing the one to prolong (not save - no life can ever be truly saved - all die) the lives of ten? It seems to our eyes that we have.

All we've really done is throw our own soul into Hell.

No man ever has the right to kill an innocent, under any circumstances, including war, including self-defense. Ever. God's law is absolute.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-14   11:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#10)

Jeb Bush Linked to Drug Cartels, Money Laundering

He could be directly linked to Beelzebub's entire family

He's not?

Say it ain't so!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-14   18:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#13)

While this tidbit of Jeb's history is admittedly quite interesting (as is the ENTIRE Arbusto family history), NONE are more interesting than the phantom history of the current Asset-in-Chief OR the Bonnie and Clyde of American politics -- Bubba and Bubette.

Truthfully,I place them all in the same chamber pot.

Different turds,but still turds.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-14   18:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

In human theory. In divine theory it is always wrong to kill innocents. Always. God makes no exception for war.

Then the incompetent MoFo needs to step up to the plate and stop national leaders from declaring war.

Even if it interrupts his vacation with choir boys.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-14   18:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

That's why atheists can nuke cities, but those who follow God can never do it.

Uh,huh. Ever read the Old Testament,bubba?

According to YOUR Holy Bible,the Big Guy even ordered soldiers to take the babies of a conquered city by the heals and bash their brains out against the city walls to insure that tribe never rises again.

YOUR God makes Hitler and Stalin look like pacifists by comparison.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-14   19:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#22) (Edited)

According to YOUR Holy Bible,the Big Guy even ordered soldiers to take the babies of a conquered city by the heals and bash their brains out against the city walls to insure that tribe never rises again.

YOUR God makes Hitler and Stalin look like pacifists by comparison.

I've read it often, and in great detail, with particular attention to the Hebrew, and the actual words

God commanded the Hebrews to enter a very specific area of land, populated by very specific people, and to drive out that people and take that land, over which He would then rule directly.

God did not command that the target people, the Canaanites, were to be hounded to the ends of the earth and slaughtered. He commanded that IF they did not flee, those who remained and resisted were to be slaughtered to the last man, woman and child.

And he specifically said why: they were utterly drenched in sin, worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. In particular, their religious rites included the burning up of children in fire, and rampant obscene sexual orgies. The Canaanites did not simply DO evils, they ascribed the source of everything to God, asserted that God wanted these things, and God would only favor them IF they did these things.

The Canaanites did not realize it, but their "God" was, in reality, Satan.

God allowed their sins to compound for hundreds and hundreds of years, then he decided to end them in a Flood. In this case, the Flood came as a flood of people: Hebrews bearing weapons. God did give the Canaanites a way out: flee, leaving everything behind. The Canaanites who fled, lived, and started over anew in other countries where these things were not practiced. Thus, they moved away from Canaan and its sites of evil sacrifice, and its evil gods, and into lands of pettier gods and less evil sacrifices. They melted into those people and ceased to be Canaanites.

But the ones who remained chose to fight God and his will. God kills everybody - each of us dies for his own sins, and God chooses the time, place and manner of each of our deaths. For the Canaanites, he prescribed Israelite swords, in part no doubt as an example to the world for all time.

In any even, God never did that AGAIN. He never commanded the mass extermination of any people it was a specific punishment meted out to a specific people for their specific evils. Nor did God commission every tribe of men everywhere to engage in wars of conquest, or to kill all of the defeated. In fact, God never commanded that again. Canaan was a one-off.

And THEREFORE what God did in the conquest of Canaan is not a model for anyone since.

So your charge falls flat. We are not authorized to do to anybody what God told the Israelites (exclusively) to do to the Canaanites who did not flee. That is all.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-14   22:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)

God commanded the Hebrews to enter a very specific area of land, populated by very specific people, and to drive out that people and take that land, over which He would then rule directly.

God did not command that the target people, the Canaanites, were to be hounded to the ends of the earth and slaughtered. He commanded that IF they did not flee, those who remained and resisted were to be slaughtered to the last man, woman and child.

Are you trying to say that Bubba Bill is a direct descendant of Gawd,and Gawd said "Ah did NOT have sex wid dose wimmin"?

He's even a draft-dodger,ordering other people to do his dirty work for him.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-15   5:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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