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Title: Dean: Hey, I’m really happy that the FBI has Hillary’s server!
Source: HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/ ... t-the-fbi-has-hillarys-server/
Published: Aug 12, 2015
Author: Ed Morrissey
Post Date: 2015-08-12 17:21:34 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 1828
Comments: 37

“I think you are literally for the first time trying to avoid a true narrative here,” Mika Brzezinski tells Howard Dean at the end of an unbelievably disingenuous attempt by the former DNC chair to spin yesterday’s news as a boon for Hillary Clinton. Dean pronounced himself delighted by the FBI’s seizure of the e-mail server and thumb drives yesterday, thanking God that Trey Gowdy didn’t get them. A reminder from Nicolle Wallace that Gowdy didn’t want them — he wanted them to go to a third party all along — does nothing to harsh Dean’s mellow (via Free Beacon):

Yeeeeargh! Mika offered this final rebuke at the end:
“Your partisan whatever is oozing, it’s right there,” Brzezinski said. “It’s just very awkward on the set.”

To call it unconvincing would be charitable. It would take even more charity to credit Dean’s defense of Hillary Clinton with any hint of intellectual honesty. Dean argues that Hillary didn’t know that the server had classified material on it, and therefore she would have broken no laws. That’s actually not true, for a number of reasons, even if one accepts “I am not a crook!” as the bar to clear for the presidency. (Will the ghost of Richard Nixon please pick up the white courtesy phone in the Limbo Lounge?)

First, all of those communications belonged to the State Department and the National Archives from the moment Hillary took office, regardless of classification level, under the Federal Records Act. She did not disclose the existence of this server and its exclusive role in her electronic communications until well after she left office, and allowed the State Department to misrepresent the record in several FOIA cases until Gowdy’s Select Committee on Benghazi exposed the set-up. Contra Dean, the FRA doesn’t apply to the office of Vermont governor and his business was unlikely to include classified nat-sec material, so a defense based on Dean’s practices from the 1990s are a non-sequitur on several levels.

Put simply, there is no benign reason for Hillary to bypass secured channels by using her own e-mail server located in an unsecured and unapproved facility — her home. That in itself violates more than one regulation on handling even sensitive materials, and is best described as willful disregard of them. Once classified material was found in these e-mails, that opens up a number of legal problems for Hillary, especially in 18 US Code 793 and 18 US Code 1924, both of which carry prison terms for violations.

Let’s start with 1924, emphases mine:

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

That could apply to both the entire e-mail server, and to the thumb drives given to the attorneys. Hillary intended to retain all of this information for her own use, even if that use was simply to keep Congress from exercising its legitimate oversight of her office, and even if that meant destroying rather than returning the e-mails to the National Archives. The act of using the Clintonemail server was her deliberate choice, and in that sense it makes no difference whether the e-mail accounts that had the classified material were hers or those of her aides. She retained that material at her own residence, an unsecured and unauthorized location for that material. That is itself a huge violation of regulations on handling Top Secret and compartmented data, on top of which she had physical possession of classified material to which she no longer had authorized access on the “need to know” basis. She made that deliberate choice knowing full well it not only violated the law, but also the EO issued by Obama that largely barred the use of private e-mail accounts for public business.

Let’s take a look now at 793 (d), (e), and especially (f), again emphases mine:

(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Note that this is 10 years per count, and also note that 793 does not restrict this to classified material, either. The classification level simply makes it easier for prosecutors to establish that the possessor would know that the material could do damage to the US if it got into the wrong hands. The language in 793 (f)(1) also makes clear that a lack of intent isn’t a defense against criminality. It only takes “gross negligence,” a standard that likely falls below “willful disregard,” which is what Hillary had when she opted to use a private, unsecured e-mail system for communications that any reasonable person would expect to include some classified material. The State Department has its own intelligence group that produces classified data specifically for the Secretary of State, after all, and the position deals with intelligence from across the spectrum of US agencies.

Now, all of this is predicated on the willingness of a prosecutor to actually pursue charges. The FBI and the DoJ are investigating this, which is what Gowdy wanted them to do in the first place. If they never bring charges, then this is mostly academic, but a failure to charge Hillary Clinton for this would open up a huge can of worms the next time the government wants to pursue a leak case, especially in regard to 1924. Needless to say, any other American who did all this whose name didn’t rhyme with Millary Minton would need a very good lawyer, and a plan for post-prison rehabilitation.

Politically, also contra Dean, the FBI’s seizure of the server after Hillary’s public refusal to surrender it voluntarily in March is a disaster of the first order. Chris Cillizza isn’t fooled:

Where does the story go from here? Clinton hopes nowhere. But, keep an eye on the following:

1. Does the State Department turn over more of the 30,000 Clinton work-related e-mails to the intelligence community’s inspector general? So far, he has reviewed just 40 of Clinton’s e-mails and found that four contained classified information. That’s 10 percent.

2. How many more — if any — e-mails show that Clinton was sending or receiving classified information via her e-mail server? And, was any of that information classified at the time she received or sent it? Did she know? If not, why not?

3. Will any of the more than 31,000 e-mails that were deleted off of the server after being determined to be private and personal be recovered? According to an expert on e-mail recovery that our own Philip Bump talked to this spring,there is a 90 to 95 percent chance those deleted e-mails could be recovered “if no other steps were taken to go in and otherwise make the data inaccessible.” That last part we don’t know yet — were any other steps taken to ensure the e-mails could not be recovered — but presumably we will get some answers once the Justice Department begins to look at the server. The bigger question is whether there are legal reasons to try to recover the the 31,000 deleted e-mails. If those are recovered and examined, it’s hard to imagine this story doesn’t go from bad to worse for Clinton.

It’s a disaster, and everyone but Dean seems to know it. And not just politically, either.

Update: Ron Fournier isn’t buying the spin, either:

Where do I start? How about with the Clinton campaign’s ridiculous suggestion that coughing up the server and email were voluntary acts. We know that’s bunk—because Clinton herself said she wouldn’t surrender the people’s records without a fight.

“The server will remain private,” she said in March. Her attorney told Congress at the time that there was “no basis” to support a third-party examination of the server. Besides, he said, the server had been scrubbed. “There are no ... emails from Secretary of State Clinton’s tenure on the server for any review, even if such a review were appropriate or legally authorized,” attorney David Kendall wrote Congress.

It’s safe to assume two things changed Clinton’s mind: political and legal pressure. First, the public’s trust and approval of the Democratic front-runner has plummeted amid revelations that she established an email system that violated federal policy, thwarted congressional oversight, and skirted the Freedom of Information Act. …

Know this: Government officials have been convicted of mishandling unmarked classified material. And this: The fact is, any chain of events or excuses that led to the disclosure of these documents begins with Clinton’s decision to go rogue with government email.

As noted above.


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Morissey excels at these research pieces generally.

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#1. To: All, nolu chan, Vicomte13, tpaine (#0)

I know a few folks here at LF like these pieces with statutory content and commentary.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   17:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

This is Game of Thrones, American-style.

The FBI, the NSA, the DoJ all work for Obama.

Obama now has Hillary's...ovaries...in his hands. He can have the Feds proceed with a harsh, frequently-leaked investigation that destroys her and paves the way for somebody of his chosing (Biden). Or he can have the Feds pronounce her "All Clear".

One way, Obama retains the power even after the election. The other way, he loses it.

But then again, perhaps if he exonerates Hillary and paves her way forward, she does the same for his time in office.

It depends on whether Obama believes that Biden can win.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   17:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2) (Edited)

Anyway, along with that AoS material we had yesterday, this pretty much paints a picture of the legal hazards for Team Hillary!.

Jarrett and the other WH operatives might be able to get Obama to betray the Hildebeeste and renege on his pledge to help elect her. She is doing badly, mostly because the voters are being reminded of why they never liked her or trusted her to start with. And she is personally abrasive, even in small doses.

Your mention of a WH cabal to get rid of Hitlery because of the anti-Xlinton animus and also a desire to hold onto their own political power as administration officials/operatives or even lobbyists aspirations may hold some water.

If Biden were the nominee, the WH crew may be thinking they have a better chance for further high-level service in the administration or to make their lobbying careers more lucrative.

Obama may be influenced by his staff. And Jarrett is close to both Obamas.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   18:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

It just makes sense. The inner circle at every White House have held a lot of power, and they're all corrupt, they've all abused it, they've all "got the dirt", and use it to massage their administration's and their own way forward.

Team Clinton and Team Obama did not like each other. Team Clinton looked down upon Obama, and everybody was afraid of them. But there's some other power behind Obama - and I don't mean supernatural. I think probably Saudi.

Now that Team Obama has had 7 years to accumulate the sort of dirt, and exercise the sort of power Team Clinton had - but without nearly as much scrutiny because their party controlled Congress most of that time, and also because their boss is a more self-disciplined character than Clinton was, so he doesn't generate scandals and the oversight interventions that flow from them - they have as much dirt on people as the Clintons ever did.

And they still don't like Team Clinton. The President's crew right now control the Democrat Party, with Team Clinton out of power now for 15 years. Those records the Clinton's took are stale. The statute of limitations has run on a lot of it, and it's a cinch that Team Obama has not been refilling the Clinton information machine.

With this investigation, and the FBI maneuver, Obama now has Hillary Clinton in his hands in a way he never did before. He can destroy her. All he has to do is have the Attorney General start pressing the investigation, and "unknown sources" start leaking. This has already started to happen, to ratchet up the pressure.

The question is: can Hillary Clinton really offer Obama anything that he wants that he can't take for himself, and can he trust her to actually carry it out once she has the power.

Team Obama sees her collapsing in the polls. They would have been supportive of a surging Hillary, but they're looking at a sow's ear that may lose the election.

Team Obama wants another Democrat regime, both for ideological reasons and to cover their own tracks. Hillary looks very weak. A full on investigation with unofficial leaks will finish her. But finishing her would not be good if there were no other alternative.

Obama has not endorsed Hillary. He has watched. He has sized up Biden, and polls show that more Democrat voters approve of Biden as President than Hillary.

So Obama is looking at the situation and assessing. Biden is old, after all. He's 72.

Waiting now, while Hillary implodes, to see if she implodes WITHOUT leaks - that's what he's doing. If he moves now, he will rankle the true blue Clinton supporters. But if it becomes clear that she cannot win, and clearer and clearer, the Democrats will start to get restless. The investigation allows him the power to nudge Hillary out (with the promise of a pardon) once things really have degraded.

And then Biden will come in as a relief. "Ok, NOW we've got somebody!" The party will quickly rally around him and he'll surge.

I expect it to be Biden, and for a united Democrat party to be with him. Sanders' support will dry up, and Team Clinton will be released by Hillary and Bill to support Biden because Hillary will be promised a pardon if she plays nice.

Biden, with a united party and demographic winds behind him, will be a formidable opponent. He will choose somebody young, and perhaps female, as his running mate.

If she would do it, a brilliant running mate for him would be the most powerful young Democratic woman in America. She would be a brilliant pick because she would break the mold in fascinating ways. A known quantity, and quite respected. If I were Biden, I would pick her, and if I were her, I would take the role with the full understanding that Biden was preparing her to take the job when he was finished, either through finishing out his final term or perhaps by retiring during his second term.

She would be the strongest female candidate in history, and people COULD envision, and accept, her in the role of President.

It would show strategic brilliance to do it, and Obama could certainly lend a hand in getting it done.

Obama would be a very powerful former President to have on your roster, and if he picked BOTH the next President AND Vice President - and enabled it to happen - and got the Clinton faction's peace through pardons - that power bloc would dominate the show for 16 more years.

Obama is going to look, and think, and let events develop.

In the end, I expect that all of the pieces will fall into play just like this, and maybe even the Veep piece will too.

If this all happens, Biden will win, and win big.

Trump is the only one who could stop him. But the Republicans are not going to let Trump be their nominee. Which may mean, if he runs third party, that it will be even easier to press forward with Biden.

Anyway, that's what's going to happen. Now we watch it play out.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   18:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4) (Edited)

The inner circle at every White House have held a lot of power, and they're all corrupt, they've all abused it, they've all "got the dirt", and use it to massage their administration's and their own way forward.

If you leave government to lobby, it's so much better to have friendly colleagues still holding those offices. Or if key Obama people leave when Obama does, that likely means promotions for a lot of people who certainly won't get them under the Xlinton machine or if a Republican wins.

They have discernible financial motives for wanting Biden instead of Hitlery. Even if she kept them on, she has a rotten reputation as a boss. Biden is usually pretty nice, supposedly.

Trump is the only one who could stop him.
You're just making this stuff up to justify trying to give us all the bum's rush.

Would you be satisfied if the RNC proclaimed him the nominee now and just cancelled all the debates and the primaries?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   19:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5)

Would you be satisfied if the RNC proclaimed him the nominee now and just cancelled all the debates and the primaries?

Yes.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   19:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

Trump/Oprah vs. Biden/Sotomayor.

One for the record books!

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   19:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

Trump/Oprah vs. Biden/Sotomayor.

Like the suicide rate isn't high enough already.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   19:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#8)

Trump/Oprah vs. Biden/Sotomayor.

Like the suicide rate isn't high enough already.

It's time to thin the herd.

Satan 2016. "Why settle for a lesser evil?"

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   20:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

" a brilliant running mate for him would be the most powerful young Democratic woman in America. "

Vic, who are you thinking of ?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-12   20:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

Satan 2016. "Why settle for a lesser evil?"

Always your second pick in the primaries.

Consistency.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   20:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Stoner, Vicomte13 (#10)

Vic, who are you thinking of ?

If he says Manchelle, I'm going to start drinking.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   20:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Stoner (#10) (Edited)

Vic, who are you thinking of ?

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor.

A Latina woman with a record as a hardworking judge.

Liberal on social issues, but with an extensive track record of limiting executive power and striking back executive overreach by both Republican and Democratic officials.

Obviously I am not a fan of her pro-choice views and won't be voting for her.

But, if she joined the ticket it would be very powerful.

It would be an Obama coronation: two high officials, both chosen by Obama, succeeding him.

She's judicious: she will not say stupid things that will damage Biden.

She will neutralize the Rubio factor.

She'll give women the "woman on the ticket" factor.

She's one of the two most powerful Democrat women in America (the other one being Ruth Bader Ginsburg).

She does not have executive experience, but she would not NEED it as Veep. And she brings gravitas and experience. She would, in fact, be the most powerful person on the ticket, one of "The Nine" (the Supreme Court Nazgul).

Her track record is well known, and it has already been vetted. The liberals will like her. The moderates will not reject her.

And she won't be at the top of the ticket anyway.

Biden/Sotomayor.

Team Obama's ticket to 16 years of power.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   20:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

" Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor. "

Really ?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-12   20:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#2)

This is Game of Thrones, American-style.

The FBI, the NSA, the DoJ all work for Obama.

What has piqued my interest is the Intel IG memo that was distributed 11 Aug 2015 divulging that Hillary's server included information up to and including "TOP SECRET//SI/TK//NOFORN." It strikes me as very unusual that they got so specific in this memo that was unclassified when its attachments were removed.

Providing same day service, Republican Senator Chuck Grassley made this available on the internet. It could be a public service or House of Cards at work.

A few weeks ago I speculated that the intelligence community would be very unhappy if Jonathan Pollard gets a minimum time parole.

This could be an intelligence community response to the administration giving them the finger. This could be more a Game of Thrones that Obama v. Hillary, Dem v. Dem. IIRC, the intel community had a dustup with JFK.

It may be the administration and party leadership furious with Hillary. I doubt anyone believes Hillary was forthcoming with the administration or the party regarding her misdeeds and problems with her email and Benghazi (and wherever it goes) when getting anointed as the party chosen one for the Dem nomination in 2016. Depending on how exlosive this gets, the Dems put all their eggs in one basket and the basket may contain an IED.

The investigation could really spread about to anyone to whom any of the unmarked classified documents was addressed. They should be tracking the whole distribution tree for this stuff and collecting additional computers or servers. Presumably, some SCI may be in the wild on commercial servers involved in the forwarding or retransmission of the information.

Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills should have their computers seized if they received the stuff. Searching for clasified material can vacuum up Benghazi and other material in the process.

When they do a forensic study of Hillary's server, they will learn more.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-12   21:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#15)

Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills should have their computers seized if they received the stuff.

Obviously, you don't like Huma; is your dispassion about her husband's social disconnect as he runs for NY City Mayor or because Huma overcharged the US government some 33,000 bucks for strolling in a park? Hmmmm... HMMMMM

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-12   21:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

Biden/Sotomayor

I'm starting to think you are screwing with us.

Either that or you're nuts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-12   21:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

Satan 2016. "Why settle for a lesser evil?"

Vicomte13

Ok you're crazy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-12   21:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)

I'm starting to think you are screwing with us.

Either that or you're nuts.

Not screwing with you.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   23:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Satan 2016. "Why settle for a lesser evil?" Vicomte13

Ok you're crazy.

There, I was having fun.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   23:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: nolu chan (#15)

Or it COULD be maskirovka.

Consider, Hillary has a server. She "naively" is receiving all sorts of information on it - all sorts of communications, etc.

And then it's discovered! (Gasp!) and there's TS/NOFORN/SCI info in there. (Gasp!)

Putin and Co. have been reading this stuff and thinking "This was too easy", but now they have an American Presidential candidate being investigated and potentially prosecuted.

Bor shamoy! Maybe this stuff WAS real! And then whatever dezinformatsiya that was seeded into those communications is planted.

It seems rather elaborate, and I would be astonished to discover that Hillary is really so altruistic she would sacrifice her political career to feed a load of false info to foreigners.

So I think it's a good story, but no. Still, it'd make a great plot twist in a novel.

In real life, she's not that selfless.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   23:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Stoner (#14)

Really ?

Yes.

She would be very appealing to Democrats. And she would be an intriguing choice for the middle.

The women would like it. She'd be instantly credible as VP.

Hispanic, track record. She'd be a strong pick.

And with Obama's nudge, she'd do it too.

So, Jeb/Rubio v. Biden/Sotomayor.

The BS ticket wins!

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   23:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#16)

Obviously, you don't like Huma;

What I said was:

The investigation could really spread about to anyone to whom any of the unmarked classified documents was addressed. They should be tracking the whole distribution tree for this stuff and collecting additional computers or servers. Presumably, some SCI may be in the wild on commercial servers involved in the forwarding or retransmission of the information.

Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills should have their computers seized if they received the stuff.

I said the whole distribution tree of this information. We know Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills received stuff from Hillary. I would expect that they and others to be identified, will get a visit from the FBI and the FBI will leave with their computers and storage devices.

Somebody was leaking stuff from CIA and NGA and others. The information shows up at State, unmarked and unprotected. They are going to investigate the entire chain to find the leak at the CIA and NGA, the the entire conduit to State, and all involved at State. This exceeds the Petraeus misdeeds.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-12   23:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#21)

Or it COULD be maskirovka.

It's a possibility but seems unlikely. This seems more like the Petraeus/Jill Kelley/Gen. John Allen intel back channel that Paula Broadwell stumbled into.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-13   0:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#22)

Jeb/Rubio

You do know that the President and Vice President can't be from the same state don't you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-13   0:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete, hondo68, buckeroo, TooConservative (#25)

Here is your dream team - Trump/Ventura

I might tune back in if that happens, although I might go Sanders/Ventura too.

www.cbsnews.com/news/trum...entura-would-consider-it/

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-13   0:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Fred Mertz (#26)

Here is your dream team - Trump/Ventura

I don't like Ventura.

If you support Sanders you support unlimited deficits and wetbacks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-13   0:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)

I don't like Ventura.

Then you don't know anything as I've suspected all along.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-13   0:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz (#26)

Ventura

Somebody should snipe that piece of shit.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-13   0:34:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GrandIsland (#29)

He'd kick your fat ass in 20 seconds.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-13   0:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Fred Mertz (#28)

Then you don't know anything as I've suspected all along.

He is a liberal POS!

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-13   0:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fred Mertz (#30)

He'd kick your fat ass in 20 seconds.

I'm not fat. I used to box. I have a hell of a left jab. He is old and a drug addict.

In his younger days probably. Not now.

Chris Kyle sure kicked his sorry ass though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-13   0:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Fred Mertz (#30)

He'd kick your fat ass in 20 seconds.

I'd ventilate his chest with two .45 caliber holes... just because you like him.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-13   1:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#25)

You do know that the President and Vice President can't be from the same state don't you?

Sure they can. That state's electors cannot vote for them both, but they can both be from the same state.

The VP would have to pick up the electors he needed from another state.

Or you could end up with the weird anomaly of a President from one party and a Veep from the other party.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13   1:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Fred Mertz (#26)

Here is your dream team - Trump/Ventura

Aiiiieeeeeeee!

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-13   2:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland (#33)

" I'd ventilate his chest with two .45 caliber holes."

Only two ?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-13   10:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Stoner (#36)

Only two ?

Ammo should be conserved when possible.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-13   10:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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