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politics and politicians Title: The Trump Goes On It’s not over. And it’s likely to end badly. In an interview on CNN last night, Donald Trump suggested that Megyn Kelly’s tough questioning was inspired by her menstrual cycle. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes,” Trump told CNN's Don Lemon on Friday night. “Blood coming out of her—wherever.” He refused to apologize, of course, but after widespread condemnation, Trump, who is running on candor and straight talk, sought to explain his comments in a Tweet. “Re Megyn Kelly quote: ‘you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever’ (NOSE). Just got on w/thought.’” It’s a comment that might end any other presidential campaign. Trump is different, in part because this isn’t a campaign. It’s an extended media-driven ego ride. From the beginning, he’s played by different rules because the media have let him. Trump works just blocks from the headquarters of the major broadcast and cable outlets. But as he’s rolled out his Trump for President brand, he has gotten journalists to come to him. He sits for interviews in the gilded atrium of Trump Towers, a nice home field advantage and one that sets him apart from the other politicians sitting in boring studios. Trump has conducted frequent telephone interviews on cable networks, sometimes several times a day, and last weekend did “phoners” on two Sunday morning political shows. (Has any other candidate this cycle, in either party, been given an opportunity to do a television interview by phone?) If he were asked policy questions, the arrangement would give him an unfair advantage, with the opportunity to answer questions with a cheat sheet in front of him and Google at his fingertips. But substantive questions about the country and its problems are the exceptions in Trump’s conversations with journalists, who prefer to ask him about his latest controversial comment or seek to provoke the next one by asking him about his opponents. (Trump’s comments about Kelly didn’t provoke any follow-up questions from CNN host Don Lemon, whose interview with Trump continued for several more minutes). So the cycle continues: Trump says something outrageous that may or may not have any relevance to serving as president, he’s asked about it in a largely substance-free interview, and ratings climb—along with Trump’s name ID and poll ratings. Trump is right, sadly, when he boasts that he is partly responsible for the 24 million viewers who tuned into the debate Thursday night. He has convinced himself that people watch because they love him and in a limited sense, he’s probably right about that, too. While I suspect that the Trump hype is driven by curiosity more than admiration, there is no doubt some segment of the population that is properly understood now as “Trump supporters.” That segment is small and will be shrinking in the coming weeks, but it won’t disappear. The true Trump apologists are way too far in now. They've invested too much to bail on him. So his defenders will become increasingly desperate to convince people that this is all part of the establishment's failure to understand their anger and the media's failure to appreciate Trump’s appeal. That’s backwards. It's not that the media have failed to give Trump enough credit; we’ve given his supporters too much. We assumed that at some point they'd embarrassed to be associated with him: If not his slander of Mexican immigrants, then perhaps his mockery of POWs; if not his kindergarten Twitter insults, then perhaps his sad and compulsive boasting; if not his incomprehensible answers to substantive questions at the debate, then maybe, finally, his juvenile and misogynistic put-down of the female moderator Those who still remain Trump supporters seem to be beyond shame. It doesn’t matter that they’re angry about the incompetence in Washington. Turning to Trump to solve the problems in Washington is like turning to an ape to fix a broken refrigerator. It’s embarrassing, but rather than embarrassment, the Trump followers will feel more anger and their pose will shift from self-righteousness to victimhood. And many of them will dig in further. More worrisome, for conservatives and for the country, so will Trump. As he’s abandoned by more rational beings, Trump, a man of deep and evident insecurity, will need these remaining supporters as validation that it’s the world that’s gone crazy, not him. They will encourage him to march on, guided by the misapprehension that there are many more behind them, perhaps hard to see, but following in the distance nonetheless. Trump will tout this support and insist, unconstrained by reality, that he can win. (This is the man who continues to say Hispanics love him and will support him, despite polls showing his favorability among Hispanics in the mid-teens). As Republicans scramble to distance themselves—with many candidates denouncing his remarks about Kelly, as they had his mockery of John McCain—Trump will feel the swelling pride of a man whose bluff is being called. Treat me nicely or I’ll leave, he warned repeatedly. This is why Bret Baier’s first question Thursday was the single most important question of the debate. Although Trump had left open the possibility of running third party, in the days leading up to the debate he had backed away from those threats. “I’m pretty confident in the answers I’ve gotten from him,” Sean Hannity said Wednesday night. “I’ve asked him a few times. I’m pretty confident he’ll never run third party.” Less than twenty-four hours later, Trump reversed himself again, raising his hand to show he wouldn't pledge support for the eventual Republican nominee. When Baier asked if Trump meant to be conveying what he seemed to be saying, Trump responded, twice: “I fully understand.” Trump threatened to leave if Republicans treated him badly. Now, because he’s a churl and a buffoon, Republicans have no choice but to treat him badly. It’s foolish to pretend to know how it all ends. But one thing is certain: It won’t end well. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-105) not displayed.
Did you vote for Ron Pual in 88? Or Dukakis? I'm not going to recite my entire voting history, even if I do have less to be embarrassed about than some people. Of course, resisting the reptilian Bushes (75%), the befuddled Dole, and the crazed warmonger McStain isn't really that much to brag over.
#107. To: A K A Stone (#105) You said the Club for Growth endoreses tea partiers and is anti establishment. Club for Growth is knee jerk in favor of free trade. There is no daylight between them and the Chamber of Commerce RNC cuckolds when it comes to leaving American industry undefended against foreign mercantilism.
#108. To: TooConservative (#106) I'm not going to recite my entire voting history, I'm just asking about 88. You must be ahamed of your vote.
#109. To: A K A Stone (#108) I'm just asking about 88. You must be ahamed of your vote. At least I haven't voted for a Bush twice like a total GOPe tool. And I'm not answering mostly because you're so interested.
#110. To: TooConservative (#101) "He certainly tried." Kelo was not passed until 8 years later. What do you mean he tried to use Kelo? "Her later history is irrelevant." No it isn't. You said Trump used Kelo to evict some old lady. So her later history -- that she was NOT evicted but voluntarily moved -- IS relevant. "Trump was exactly the kind of developer who was trying, in various locales, to cause the Kelo decision or to bring about the same results with his lawyers under state laws." Had Kelo been in effect she would have received $251,000 from the city of Atlantic City. As it was, she turned down a $1.9 million offer for her house from Trump as well as a room for life at any of his properties. I'd call that generous, wouldn't you?
#111. To: nativist nationalist (#107) Club for Growth is knee jerk in favor of free trade. Of course. Always were.
There is no daylight between them and the Chamber of Commerce RNC cuckolds when it comes to leaving American industry undefended against foreign mercantilism. CoC and CFG square off in a lot of races in opposition to each other. To describe them as identical is just deluded. Haven't you about worn out using "cuckold" yet? Did you have a wife or GF or BF who cheated on you? Is that it?
#112. To: TooConservative (#111) Haven't you about worn out using "cuckold" yet? Did you have a wife or GF or BF who cheated on you? Is that it? LOL! Glad to know it's getting under your skin, that sort of feedback helps. It makes my day when I can annoy a RINO bootlicker. Thanks for the encouragement.
#113. To: TooConservative (#109) You're lying. You voted for Bush.
#114. To: misterwhite (#110) Kelo was not passed until 8 years later. What do you mean he tried to use Kelo? He tried to use eminent domain exactly as Kelo did. The Kelo case originated in 2000 or 2001. The Connecticut supreme court heard the appeals in 2002. It took until 2005 for Kelo to be decided by the Court. Trump and other developers had pushed to use eminent domain as Kelo later allowed in the late Nineties. If you want to continue bandying words, go ahead. Trump's record speaks for itself. He thinks he and some economic development council can evict anyone if they think they can make more money off any property than its current owners. That is not and cannot ever be a conservative position. Which is why Kelo still matters politically. And why you are trying to obfuscate Trump's clear history of abusing eminent domain laws to seize the properties of small property owners, snowing them under in legal bills in the meantime.
#115. To: TooConservative (#114) So did Trump ever actually use the Kelo decison himself? No he didn't. Yawn. Find some better GOPe talking points.
#116. To: A K A Stone (#113) You're lying. You voted for Bush. I've had four chances to vote for a Bush. I did so once. You had the same, voted twice for a Bush. On the Bush Purity Scale, I am twice as conservative as you. And you are twice the GOPe hack that I am. Just goin' by the record...
#117. To: TooConservative (#116) You voted for Bush in 88, 92 and 2000. You can't add.
#118. To: TooConservative (#114) "Trump and other developers had pushed to use eminent domain as Kelo later allowed in the late Nineties." They failed. She was not evicted. Kelo was not used. Your statement was a lie. Now, had you said "Trump and other developers had pushed to use eminent domain as Kelo later allowed in the late Nineties" you would have been correct. Of course that just doesn't have the impact that "evicted an old lady" does, now does it? Kelo is now the law of the land. What would you expect a President Trump to do about that? Or any Republican President, for that matter?
#119. To: A K A Stone (#115) Find some better GOPe talking points. The RINO's cannot face reality. What is happening is the rejection of them. RINO's don't need to think about Trump, they need to focus on how much they are hated on Main Street. When they make a habit of importing rapists and murderers from Mexico, shipping American industry to Red China, bailing out Goldman-Sachs and doig liberal bleeding heart humanitarian interventions overseas they earn contempt. I love how miserable Trump has made these GOPe dirt bags.
#120. To: A K A Stone (#117) I voted only for Dumbya in 2000. You didn't even read my prior posts. Or you have a reading problem. I stated it clearly. You are the GOPe/Bush hack (voted Bush 2 out of 4). I am twice as good as you are on this, having voted Bush only 1 out of 4 times.
#121. To: misterwhite (#118) Now, had you said "Trump and other developers had pushed to use eminent domain as Kelo later allowed in the late Nineties" you would have been correct. Of course that just doesn't have the impact that "evicted an old lady" does, now does it? Okay. So you're proud that Donald was on the leading edge of abusing eminent domain in trying to evict an old lady, years before Kelo was issued. You do realize this makes Trump look even worse on eminent domain abuse and cruelty to poor old women trying to keep their property for themselves against some greedy tycoon who has publicly coveted his neighbor's property to take it for himself.
Donald is a coveter and a commandment breaker.
#122. To: TooConservative (#121) "You do realize this makes Trump look even worse on eminent domain abuse" Failing to acquire her property is worse than acquiring her property? You're a piece of work. If the truth was a worse revelation, then why lie about what Trump did? Are you going soft on The Donald?
#123. To: TooConservative (#121) "Donald is a coveter and a commandment breaker." Technically those titles would have gone to the City of Atlantic City.
#124. To: misterwhite (#122) Failing to acquire her property is worse than acquiring her property? You're a piece of work. He tried to abuse eminent domain long before Kelo. Trump was a Kelo backer 8 years before it was decided. He tried to break the laws to abuse eminent domain and take a widow's property away for himself. A coveter by any definition.
#125. To: misterwhite (#97) She voluntarily moved to a retirement home in 2010 and sold her house last year for $530,000 -- 1/4 of what Trump offered 8 years earlier. The Coking house was bought at auction (reserve $199,000) by Carl Icahn who had it demolished.
#126. To: nativist nationalist (#119) (Edited) The RINO's cannot face reality. What is happening is the rejection of them. RINO's don't need to think about Trump, they need to focus on how much they are hated on Main Street. When they make a habit of importing rapists and murderers from Mexico, shipping American industry to Red China, bailing out Goldman-Sachs and doig liberal bleeding heart humanitarian interventions overseas they earn contempt. Bears repeating. Trump is the US Navy at Midway. Destroying the best of the GOPe fleet. EDIT: I'm expecting the GOPe, Dems, and Media Axis of Evil to get desperately "creative" in sinking Trump soon, or else they are finished.
#127. To: TooConservative (#121) Donald is a coveter and a commandment breaker. So is everyone else. EXCEPT, those "coveters and a commandment breakers" who've been elected to help enforce and preserve the US Constitution are also...TRAITORS. Why isn't it better that Trump shovel dirt on the GOPe so that REAL Republican-Conservative legislators can advance the conservative agenda, and *its* policies finally implemented? OR, should we just wait until the GOP and Dems *officially* merge as one Evil Empire?
#128. To: Liberator (#126) Trump is the US Navy at Midway. Destroying the best of the GOPe fleet. Can you picture a bunch of RINO consultants at a strategy meeting. "Hmmm, I don't get it. We keep stabbing Republican voters in the back, and we've really ramped up the importation of democrat voters. But for some strange reason we keep losing market share." And they decide "Let's import more democrats!" This is the kind of idiocy that has been surprised by the Trump insurgency. Stupid is is RINO does, same for their bootlickers.
#129. To: TooConservative (#124) "Trump was a Kelo backer 8 years before it was decided." So you admit he was a visionary businessman. I agree.
#130. To: nolu chan (#125) "The Coking house was bought at auction (reserve $199,000) by Carl Icahn who had it demolished." I'm sure her children blew through that money in a year. Meanwhile, she's in some retirement home when she could be living in Palm Beach on one of Trump's properties (for free) with $1.9 million in the bank. That shows you just how cruel and heartless Trump was.
#131. To: nativist nationalist (#128) Can you picture a bunch of RINO consultants at a strategy meeting. "Hmmm, I don't get it. We keep stabbing Republican voters in the back, and we've really ramped up the importation of democrat voters. But for some strange reason we keep losing market share." LOL..."But...It worked fabulously with Palin!" SNL is afraid to Lampoon Trump because his approval rating might rise even higher. And they decide "Let's import more democrats!" This is the kind of idiocy that has been surprised by the Trump insurgency. Stupid is is RINO does, same for their bootlickers. Ha, YEP! "Screw the base...they'll never....um...WAIT?? It that Trump carrying off OUR sheep??" The useless, unprincipled, feckless GOPe LOVES losing main elections but HATES losing primaries. It's ALL about POWER.
#132. To: Liberator (#127) Why isn't it better that Trump shovel dirt on the GOPe so that REAL Republican-Conservative legislators can advance the conservative agenda, and *its* policies finally implemented? You really are delusional. You're just daydreaming now. Nothing about Trump could possibly inspire such confidence. You sound giddy. Or drunk.
#133. To: TooConservative, misterwhite, A K A Stone (#114) He tried to use eminent domain exactly as Kelo did. Trump was trying to use eminent domain under existing law. Kelo affirmed Berman (1954) and Midkiff (1984). https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/545/469/
Kelo v. New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005) https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/348/26/case.html
U.S. Supreme Court https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/467/229/case.html
U.S. Supreme Court
#134. To: nolu chan (#133) Regardless, Trump did not prevail in his attempt to use eminent domain to seize an old widow's property.
#135. To: TooConservative (#134) "Trump did not prevail in his attempt to use eminent domain to seize an old widow's property." And who wants a loser as President? I want someone who was successful at seizing an old widow's property and evicting her. U S A! U S A!
#136. To: misterwhite (#135) I want someone who was successful at seizing an old widow's property and evicting her. I have no objections if you fly your true colors. Goes nicely with your every-cop-shooting-is-a-good-shooting posts.
#137. To: TooConservative (#132) Nothing about Trump could possibly inspire such confidence. The issue is lack of confidence in the GOPe. If you guys had not made a habit of stabbing Republican voters in the back you would not be facing this dilemma. Your chickens are coming come to roost RINO boy.
#138. To: nativist nationalist (#137) If you guys had not made a habit of stabbing Republican voters in the back you would not be facing this dilemma. Your chickens are coming come to roost RINO boy. My goodness, you've certainly told off that GOPe cabal now. Me and Mitch and John B. Tell ya what, I'll convey your insults to Mitch and John the next time we have cocktails with the Chamber, okay?
#139. To: TooConservative (#132) You really are delusional. You're just daydreaming now. Nothing about Trump could possibly inspire such confidence. With the fleet of the USS GOPe exposed for what it actually is by Trump, then ravaged, discredited, and set afire, it does kinda open the door for conservatives candidates -- as well someone like Cruz to lead what was a pirated RNC-GOP leadership. Even IF Trump doesn't make it. Frankly, many of us have been waiting for the Vichy GOPe wing to be crushed and humiliated for the worms and slugs they are. If not, the Republican Party would remain for all perpetuity the "JV" for the Dem Party and Globalists. Meanwhile wearing your rose-colored glasses isn't helping by any measure of reality or sanity. Why pretend as though the GOPe will do ANYTHING to help save a nation that's extremely close to its expiration date?
#140. To: TooConservative (#134) Regardless, Trump did not prevail in his attempt to use eminent domain to seize an old widow's property. Just to be accurate, Trump was not the actual Plaintiff. That was, "Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, a public corporate body of the State of New Jersey." The CRDA wanted Trump's redevelopment plan to be implemented. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nj-superior-court/1349001.html
Superior Court of New Jersey, Law Division, Atlantic County.
#141. To: TooConservative (#120) You didn't even read my prior posts. Or you have a reading problem. I stated it clearly. I read them. I just don't believe you. Since you were ashamed of who you voted for. Just like when Trump documentd his assets and two minutes later you didn't believe it.
#142. To: Liberator (#139) With the fleet of the USS GOPe exposed for what it actually is by Trump, then ravaged, discredited, and set afire, it does kinda open the door for conservatives candidates -- as well someone like Cruz to lead what was a pirated RNC-GOP leadership. Even IF Trump doesn't make it. As for actual conservative policy, Trump is nothing but a huge distraction. He sucks the air out of the policy debates entirely. It's all just The Donald Show, all the time. Lindsey Graham could (finally) walk out on stage in spike heels and a little black cocktail dress with pearl necklace and earrings and announce he is now a woman and the press would just ask him some drivel about Donald Trump. All Trump, all the time.
#143. To: A K A Stone (#141) Just like when Trump documentd his assets and two minutes later you didn't believe it. I didn't believe it because Trump has been lying about it for years according to the financial press.
#144. To: nolu chan (#140) Just to be accurate, Trump was not the actual Plaintiff. That was, "Casino Reinvestment Development Authority, a public corporate body of the State of New Jersey." The CRDA wanted Trump's redevelopment plan to be implemented. So Trump used a corporate semi-public shell corporation as he coveted and tried to seize the assets of some poor old widow. That really does sound so much better that he hid behind a phony corporate front when trying to legally steal what an old widow inherited from her husband.
#145. To: TooConservative (#143) I didn't believe it because Trump has been lying about it for years according to the financial press. Isn't it a felony to lie about your financial data in a Presidential race? I'm sure he knows better then them.
#146. To: A K A Stone (#145) Isn't it a felony to lie about your financial data in a Presidential race? No. They don't have to declare their assets at all. It is usual to do so in the modern era but not required.
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