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Title: The Trump Goes On
Source: Weekly Standard
URL Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs ... campaign-will-end_1007525.html
Published: Aug 8, 2015
Author: Steven F. Hayes
Post Date: 2015-08-10 07:34:18 by Tooconservative
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Views: 8231
Comments: 146

It’s not over. And it’s likely to end badly.

In an interview on CNN last night, Donald Trump suggested that Megyn Kelly’s tough questioning was inspired by her menstrual cycle. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes,” Trump told CNN's Don Lemon on Friday night. “Blood coming out of her—wherever.”

He refused to apologize, of course, but after widespread condemnation, Trump, who is running on candor and straight talk, sought to explain his comments in a Tweet. “Re Megyn Kelly quote: ‘you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever’ (NOSE). Just got on w/thought.’”

It’s a comment that might end any other presidential campaign. Trump is different, in part because this isn’t a campaign. It’s an extended media-driven ego ride.

From the beginning, he’s played by different rules because the media have let him. Trump works just blocks from the headquarters of the major broadcast and cable outlets. But as he’s rolled out his Trump for President brand, he has gotten journalists to come to him. He sits for interviews in the gilded atrium of Trump Towers, a nice home field advantage and one that sets him apart from the other politicians sitting in boring studios.

Trump has conducted frequent telephone interviews on cable networks, sometimes several times a day, and last weekend did “phoners” on two Sunday morning political shows. (Has any other candidate this cycle, in either party, been given an opportunity to do a television interview by phone?) If he were asked policy questions, the arrangement would give him an unfair advantage, with the opportunity to answer questions with a cheat sheet in front of him and Google at his fingertips. But substantive questions about the country and its problems are the exceptions in Trump’s conversations with journalists, who prefer to ask him about his latest controversial comment or seek to provoke the next one by asking him about his opponents. (Trump’s comments about Kelly didn’t provoke any follow-up questions from CNN host Don Lemon, whose interview with Trump continued for several more minutes). So the cycle continues: Trump says something outrageous that may or may not have any relevance to serving as president, he’s asked about it in a largely substance-free interview, and ratings climb—along with Trump’s name ID and poll ratings.

Trump is right, sadly, when he boasts that he is partly responsible for the 24 million viewers who tuned into the debate Thursday night. He has convinced himself that people watch because they love him and in a limited sense, he’s probably right about that, too. While I suspect that the Trump hype is driven by curiosity more than admiration, there is no doubt some segment of the population that is properly understood now as “Trump supporters.” That segment is small and will be shrinking in the coming weeks, but it won’t disappear.

The true Trump apologists are way too far in now. They've invested too much to bail on him. So his defenders will become increasingly desperate to convince people that this is all part of the establishment's failure to understand their anger and the media's failure to appreciate Trump’s appeal.

That’s backwards. It's not that the media have failed to give Trump enough credit; we’ve given his supporters too much. We assumed that at some point they'd embarrassed to be associated with him: If not his slander of Mexican immigrants, then perhaps his mockery of POWs; if not his kindergarten Twitter insults, then perhaps his sad and compulsive boasting; if not his incomprehensible answers to substantive questions at the debate, then maybe, finally, his juvenile and misogynistic put-down of the female moderator

Those who still remain Trump supporters seem to be beyond shame. It doesn’t matter that they’re angry about the incompetence in Washington. Turning to Trump to solve the problems in Washington is like turning to an ape to fix a broken refrigerator. It’s embarrassing, but rather than embarrassment, the Trump followers will feel more anger and their pose will shift from self-righteousness to victimhood. And many of them will dig in further.

More worrisome, for conservatives and for the country, so will Trump. As he’s abandoned by more rational beings, Trump, a man of deep and evident insecurity, will need these remaining supporters as validation that it’s the world that’s gone crazy, not him. They will encourage him to march on, guided by the misapprehension that there are many more behind them, perhaps hard to see, but following in the distance nonetheless. Trump will tout this support and insist, unconstrained by reality, that he can win. (This is the man who continues to say Hispanics love him and will support him, despite polls showing his favorability among Hispanics in the mid-teens).

As Republicans scramble to distance themselves—with many candidates denouncing his remarks about Kelly, as they had his mockery of John McCain—Trump will feel the swelling pride of a man whose bluff is being called. Treat me nicely or I’ll leave, he warned repeatedly.

This is why Bret Baier’s first question Thursday was the single most important question of the debate. Although Trump had left open the possibility of running third party, in the days leading up to the debate he had backed away from those threats. “I’m pretty confident in the answers I’ve gotten from him,” Sean Hannity said Wednesday night. “I’ve asked him a few times. I’m pretty confident he’ll never run third party.”

Less than twenty-four hours later, Trump reversed himself again, raising his hand to show he wouldn't pledge support for the eventual Republican nominee. When Baier asked if Trump meant to be conveying what he seemed to be saying, Trump responded, twice: “I fully understand.”

Trump threatened to leave if Republicans treated him badly. Now, because he’s a churl and a buffoon, Republicans have no choice but to treat him badly.

It’s foolish to pretend to know how it all ends. But one thing is certain: It won’t end well.

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#4. To: TooConservative (#0) (Edited)

That’s backwards. It's not that the media have failed to give Trump enough credit; we’ve given his supporters too much. We assumed that at some point they'd embarrassed to be associated with him: If not his slander of Mexican immigrants, then perhaps his mockery of POWs;

Fuck you, Steven Hayes.

Trump was right about Mexico. He did not "slander" Mexican immigrants. And he was right about McCain. He did not "mock" POWs.

That's the thing, Steve-o: you are a liar. You are so wedded to a political idea, to your club, that when you feel threatened - and you ARE threatened by Trump - you lie about what he says, you and your crowd, who seek to try to stampede people through lies.

And so, therefore, your next President will be Hillary Clinton (or Joe Biden).

Why? Because the closest people like us will ever get to you is Trump. You will either grit your teeth and accept a Trump, or a Sarah Palin, or you can go fuck yourself and live with Democrat rule, because that works for us a whole lot better than letting the sort of Republicans YOU like ever have power.

You're not going to have it your way, Stevie. No chance. You're not going to have your Jebby or your Marco, the folks you're comfortable with. You're going to accept somebody who rubs you the wrong way, or you're going to submit to Democrat rule.

Rage away in your impotence, Steve. You DO have the ability to have a Republican President. To have one, you're going to have to swallow your pride and accept Trump. Otherwise, you may as well prepare for "Mrs. President."

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-10   8:48:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

"You're not going to have your Jebby or your Marco, the folks you're comfortable with."

Good point. They may be able to shape and influence the primary, but they'll never get us to vote for their flunky.

8 million registered Republicans stayed home last election. We might set a new record in 2016.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-10   9:16:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: misterwhite (#6)

8 million registered Republicans stayed home last election. We might set a new record in 2016 .

Say hello the Evita Clintoon's reign .

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-10   14:17:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: tomder55 (#68)

"Say hello the Evita Clintoon's reign ."

Those 8 million stay-at-home registered Republicans said 'hello' to Obama's second term. Did the GOP learn anything? Doesn't look like it.

Perhaps 16 million Republicans staying home will catch their eye. Does that need to happen?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-10   15:11:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: misterwhite (#75)

Perhaps 16 million Republicans staying home will catch their eye. Does that need to happen?

Almost guaranteed if Trump is the GOP nominee.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   16:06:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: TooConservative (#77)

"Almost guaranteed if Trump is the GOP nominee."

So you're saying 8 million stayed home for Romney because he wasn't liberal enough and 16 million will stay home for Trump because he's more conservative than Romney?

In other words, the GOP is going in the wrong direction with their candidates.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-10   17:45:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: misterwhite (#78)

...and 16 million will stay home for Trump because he's more conservative than Romney?

I think Romney actually is a lot more conservative than Trump in his personal life and in his business life.

Some of you guys are really closing your eyes to Trump's long history. He is no conservative. Well, unless your reasoning is along the lines of:

  1. I am a conservative.
  2. I like Donald Trump.
  3. Ergo, Donald Trump is a conservative.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   18:32:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: TooConservative (#81)

1. I am a conservative.
2. I like Donald Trump.
3. Ergo, Donald Trump is a conservative.

I believe your reasoning is:

1. I am a conservative.
2. I don't like Donald Trump.
3. Ergo, Donald Trump must not be a conservative.

"Some of you guys are really closing your eyes to Trump's long history.

You mean as a businessman? Sure, in one sense. Now he's running for President. Priorities change.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-10   19:32:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: misterwhite (#85)

I believe your reasoning is:

Touché. But I don't have a long and documented history of liberal political statements. Trump does.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   19:33:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: TooConservative (#86)

"But I don't have a long and documented history of liberal political statements. Trump does."

Liberal political statements as a businessman. Interests and priorities are different when running for office.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-10   19:46:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: misterwhite (#89) (Edited)

Liberal political statements as a businessman. Interests and priorities are different when running for office.

So he was all for the Kelo decision as a businessman and used it to evict some old lady because he coveted his neighbor's property. But, as president, he'll suddenly swing into line with conservative policy on eminent domain seizures?

What kind of magical thinking is this? Why would you even believe that?

He's not going to change at all. I doubt he's capable of it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   21:21:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: TooConservative (#90)

"So he was all for the Kelo decision as a businessman and used it to evict some old lady because he coveted his neighbor's property."

When you have to lie to make your point you've lost the debate.

"But, as president, he'll suddenly swing into line with conservative policy on eminent domain seizures?"

And do what? Single-handedly overturn the U.S. Supreme Court decision? Who do you think he is, Obama?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-11   8:57:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone, sneakypete (#92)

When you have to lie to make your point you've lost the debate.

I'm not lying. If anything, I'm understating what Trump said and did on eminent domain.

LarryElder.com, 2011:

Washington, DC - The Club for Growth today noted that Donald Trump once tried to use eminent domain to evict an elderly widow from her Atlantic City home to build a limousine parking lot, and has repeatedly tried to use eminent domain as a tool of his development business:
 
"First we find out Donald Trump is a liberal on taxes, health care, and trade. Now we find out he's an abuser of eminent domain. Eminent domain abuse is an assault on freedom, pure and simple" said Club for Growth President Chris Chocola. "No real conservative would ever use eminent domain in order to take the private property of citizens. I'm shocked and appalled by these revelations. Club members and conservatives ought to know where Donald Trump stands on the issues."
 
Donald Trump: A History of Eminent Domain Abuse
 
In 1997, Trump tried to evict an elderly widow to expand an Atlantic City casino: Vera Coking agreed to drop her lawsuit against Donald Trump yesterday and accepted a settlement of $90,000 from Trump's demolition contractor for damage to the rooming house she has long refused to sell. The settlement does not affect the longstanding battle over ownership of Coking's house on South Columbia Place, a block from Trump Plaza. Coking is still fighting a court battle to keep her home in the face of a state eminent domain action to assist Trump with the expansion of his casino. (Philadelphia Inquirer, 2/19/97)
Trump would have used the land to build a "limousine waiting area": Superior Court Judge Richard Williams said the state's plan to seize the parcels for an expansion of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino was flawed because it set no limits on what Mr. Trump could do once he obtained the land. Mr. Trump had said the land would be used for a park, a parking lot and a limousine waiting area. (New York Times, 7/26/98)
Trump on pro-eminent domain Supreme Court case Kelo v. New London: "I happen to agree with it 100 percent": CAVUTO: You know, the one thing that sticks in the craw of a lot of people with this court, Donald -- and I don't know where you come down on it, but this eminent domain issue that essentially allowed someone's home to be bulldozed, as was the case in New London, Connecticut, if it gets in the way of developers. Now, you're a pretty successful developer in your own right. What did you think of that decision? Was the court overdoing it with that decision? TRUMP: Well, it's sort of not a good one for me to say, because I noticed every article written about it said, "Will Donald Trump take over your home?" sort of using me as the example, Neil. And it's sort of -- it's an interesting situation to be in. But I happen to agree with it 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that's not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it's local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that's not good into a good area, and move the person that's living there into a better place -- now, I know it might not be their choice -- but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. (Fox News, 7/19/05)
 
In 1994, Trump proposed using eminent domain to purchase land in Bridgeport, CT to build an amusement park: The city currently owns Pleasure Beach, which makes up about 40 percent of the 100 acres. The remaining 60 percent is privately owned. Under the Trump proposal, the city would acquire the private land through eminent domain and then convey it to Mr. Trump. The Trump organization and the city's Parks Board would enter into a long-term lease for the Pleasure Beach area. (New York Times, 6/3/94)

This is no recent GOPe attack on Trump. His history is well-documented. As with many other things, a lot of Trumpsters are projecting their own ideas onto Trump and don't seem to care (or want to ask) what his real record and positions are.

A march of low-info Republicanish voters.

So I'll thank you not to lie about me lying about Trump, hypocrite.

Worship your false gods if you must but don't expect me to join you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   10:25:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: TooConservative (#93)

"I'm not lying. If anything, I'm understating what Trump said and did on eminent domain."

You said Trump used the Kelo decision to evict some old lady in 1997.

First of all, Kelo was decided in 2005. Second, Vera Coking was never evicted. She voluntarily moved to a retirement home in 2010 and sold her house last year for $530,000 -- 1/4 of what Trump offered 8 years earlier.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-11   11:44:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: misterwhite (#97)

You said Trump used the Kelo decision to evict some old lady in 1997.

He certainly tried.

...Vera Coking was never evicted. She voluntarily moved to a retirement home in 2010 and sold her house last year for $530,000 -- 1/4 of what Trump offered 8 years earlier.

Her later history is irrelevant.

Trump was exactly the kind of developer who was trying, in various locales, to cause the Kelo decision or to bring about the same results with his lawyers under state laws.

Why do you keep trying to deny or obfuscate the facts, which are quite well-known? You're not fooling anyone or distracting them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   12:20:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: TooConservative (#101)

"He certainly tried."

Kelo was not passed until 8 years later. What do you mean he tried to use Kelo?

"Her later history is irrelevant."

No it isn't. You said Trump used Kelo to evict some old lady. So her later history -- that she was NOT evicted but voluntarily moved -- IS relevant.

"Trump was exactly the kind of developer who was trying, in various locales, to cause the Kelo decision or to bring about the same results with his lawyers under state laws."

Had Kelo been in effect she would have received $251,000 from the city of Atlantic City. As it was, she turned down a $1.9 million offer for her house from Trump as well as a room for life at any of his properties. I'd call that generous, wouldn't you?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-11   12:40:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: misterwhite (#110)

Kelo was not passed until 8 years later. What do you mean he tried to use Kelo?

He tried to use eminent domain exactly as Kelo did.

The Kelo case originated in 2000 or 2001. The Connecticut supreme court heard the appeals in 2002. It took until 2005 for Kelo to be decided by the Court.

Trump and other developers had pushed to use eminent domain as Kelo later allowed in the late Nineties.

If you want to continue bandying words, go ahead. Trump's record speaks for itself. He thinks he and some economic development council can evict anyone if they think they can make more money off any property than its current owners.

That is not and cannot ever be a conservative position. Which is why Kelo still matters politically. And why you are trying to obfuscate Trump's clear history of abusing eminent domain laws to seize the properties of small property owners, snowing them under in legal bills in the meantime.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-11   12:46:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: TooConservative (#114)

So did Trump ever actually use the Kelo decison himself? No he didn't.

Yawn.

Find some better GOPe talking points.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-11   12:48:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: A K A Stone (#115)

Find some better GOPe talking points.

The RINO's cannot face reality. What is happening is the rejection of them. RINO's don't need to think about Trump, they need to focus on how much they are hated on Main Street. When they make a habit of importing rapists and murderers from Mexico, shipping American industry to Red China, bailing out Goldman-Sachs and doig liberal bleeding heart humanitarian interventions overseas they earn contempt. I love how miserable Trump has made these GOPe dirt bags.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-08-11   13:02:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: nativist nationalist (#119) (Edited)

The RINO's cannot face reality. What is happening is the rejection of them. RINO's don't need to think about Trump, they need to focus on how much they are hated on Main Street. When they make a habit of importing rapists and murderers from Mexico, shipping American industry to Red China, bailing out Goldman-Sachs and doig liberal bleeding heart humanitarian interventions overseas they earn contempt.

I love how miserable Trump has made these GOPe dirt bags.

Bears repeating.

Trump is the US Navy at Midway. Destroying the best of the GOPe fleet.

EDIT: I'm expecting the GOPe, Dems, and Media Axis of Evil to get desperately "creative" in sinking Trump soon, or else they are finished.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-11   14:14:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#128. To: Liberator (#126)

Trump is the US Navy at Midway. Destroying the best of the GOPe fleet.

Can you picture a bunch of RINO consultants at a strategy meeting. "Hmmm, I don't get it. We keep stabbing Republican voters in the back, and we've really ramped up the importation of democrat voters. But for some strange reason we keep losing market share."

And they decide "Let's import more democrats!" This is the kind of idiocy that has been surprised by the Trump insurgency. Stupid is is RINO does, same for their bootlickers.

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