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politics and politicians Title: Trump out at #RSG15; Update: Fiorina to Trump: “There. Is. No. Excuse.” Earlier this evening, CNN’s Don Lemon interviewed Donald Trump about the debate on Fox News Channel last night, and set off another Trump-related tempest. After noting that Kelly pushed Trump during the debate, and that she “pushed a lot of people” besides Trump, Lemon asked, “What is it with you and Megyn Kelly?” Trump’s reply was, er … colorful, to say the least [emphasis mine]: TRUMP: Well, I just don’t respect her as a journalist, I have no respect for her. I don’t think she’s very good, I think she’s highly overrated. But when I came out there, you know — what am I doing? I’m not getting paid for this. I go out there, and they start saying this stuff [garbled]. But you know, I didn’t know there’d be 24 million people. I knew it was going to be a big crowd because I get crowds, I get ratings. They call me the ratings machine. So I have, you know, she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … wherever. But in my opinion, she was off base. Kelly did ask Trump tough questions in last night’s debate, but she asked tough questions of Marco Rubio on abortion too, and of other candidates on stage as well. As the front-runner, Trump should have expected tough questions, especially given his track record of supporting nearly every progressive idea at one time or another, including Hillary Clinton being President. Kelly also asked Trump about his remarks about women, which appears to have particularly rankled him — and pushed him into validating Kelly’s premise in asking those questions in the first place. After all, it’s not often when a major party candidate takes a shot at a woman by reminding everyone of her menstrual cycle. I’m certain that will really impress women about their place in the Republican Party. Trump was scheduled to speak at the Red State Gathering tomorrow, in the final slot at the event. Not long after these remarks, event organizer Erick Erickson announced that he had withdrawn the invitation: I have rescinded my invitation to Mr.Trump. While I have tried to give him great latitude, his remark about Megyn Kelly was a bridge too far — Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 8, 2015 That will undoubtedly anger some Trump supporters, but after last night’s debate performance and his thin-skinned whining afterward, I wonder if that group wasn’t already in decline. This might fire up the die-hard Trump troops, but suggesting that a journalist went after his target-rich record only because she was menstruating should be a disqualifier for most voters. It’s vastly worse than anything Todd Akin said, and will almost certainly have media outlets demanding responses from the other Republican candidates. It’s practically tailor-made for Democrats to hoist up the Republican War On Women banner, especially Hillary Clinton. Get ready for plenty of Team Trump dog-in-the-manger, sour-grapes quotes in the morning, if not overnight. There may be some legitimate anger among a small group of RSG15 attendees tomorrow who wanted to see Trump at this event, but Erick has a solid case for not wanting to have this overshadow the event tomorrow, with more presidential candidates on hand to make their pitches. Erick will almost certainly address this in the morning, and we’ll see what the fallout is over the rest of the day. Update: Carly Fiorina appears to be the first Republican candidate to respond to Trump’s remarks, perhaps fittingly so (via Twitchy): Mr. Trump: There. Is. No. Excuse. — Carly Fiorina (@CarlyFiorina) August 8, 2015 I stand with @megynkelly. — Carly Fiorina (@CarlyFiorina) August 8, 2015 That’s interesting, because Fiorina actually deflected a Trump question at her presser today at RSG15 by asking why the media wasn’t calling out Obama for his offensive comments about opponents of the Iran deal. Not this time, apparently. Update: Erick has an explanation up at RedState: But I also think that while Mr. Trump resonates with a lot of people with his bluntness, including me to a degree, there are just real lines of decency a person running for President should not trust. His comment was inappropriate. It is unfortunate to have to disinvite him. But I just don’t want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong. I have invited Megyn Kelly to attend in Donald Trump’s place tomorrow night. Well, that would be interesting. We’ll see if she can swing that. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-36) not displayed.
#37. To: TooConservative (#35) ... bleeding from...somewhere? You and others assume Trump mean't she was menstruating. I think he regarded her as the devil ... which was his intent to begin with.
#38. To: TooConservative (#25) In her rather miserable 2010 CA Senate campaign, she was adamantly pro-choice and on the global hotting side. In fairness, why should her personal her problems have played into her life philosophy? In order to be "fair"?? What proof have we that she's sincerely suddenly changed her mind on those two hot-button issues that are traditionally DEM red meat requisites? I think she has prepared for and wants to be the new Palin, an attack dog that can defy the usual War On Women themes. That portrayal appears to be the narrative/script for the time being. But now she's just defied her defiance of the "War on Women" theme by going after Trump. That didn't take long. She is a much better prepared candidate now than she was in her 2010 race or in her role in 2012 as a highly placed Romney surrogate. Yup, I agree wholeheartedly. Fiorina polished inside and outside, and seems to have attended finishing school for GOPe Candidates. Given that she is appealing to the GOP party establishment, it's no surprise she's demoing her willingness to go on the attack yet again. But THIS time, her handlers have jumped on the "Destroy-Trump!" bandwagon, which undoubtedly endears her to the RNC. My impression: Fiorina seems...almost TOO polished, too smooth, too confident. And NOW she can play off and exploit the "War on Women" card and not be treated "meanly" during the campaign. How utterly reptilian AND brilliant!
#39. To: buckeroo (#37) You and others assume Trump mean't she was menstruating. What exactly does "bleeding from...somewhere" mean then? You explain it for me.
#40. To: TooConservative (#35) The others are all coming. Trump is disinvited and his slot has been given to Megan Kelly to make a speech. Wow. Another stunt designed to remove Trump ffrom the stable of GOP candidates. The RNC has stabbed Trump in the eyeball with an ice-pick: Megyn Kelly. The fair-minded will be impressed. NOT.
#41. To: Liberator (#38) (Edited) But THIS time, her handlers have jumped on the "Destroy-Trump!" bandwagon, which undoubtedly endears her to the RNC. My impression: Fiorina seems...almost TOO polished, too smooth, too confident. And NOW she can play off and exploit the "War on Women" card and not be treated "meanly" during the campaign. How utterly reptilian AND brilliant! It is a clever strategy, certainly obvious enough. Donald made an unforced error, Fiorina swoops in to capitalize on it. I saw a number of political consultants who think that Fiorina won both debates on Thursday. No one at the main debate had as good a night as she had in the 5pm debate. Then she raced to PMSNBC and kicked Chrissy Matthews in the balls. So she's on a roll and will definitely make the cut for the main debate upcoming on CNN. Where she can slice and dice Teh Donald to his face for a big audience. Let's imagine how that might go. She attacks him for chummy phone calls with Bill Xlinton and for saying he might run third-party. He makes some angry retort about her tenure as HP CEO. She then says something acidic in return and finishes with, "I hope you don't think I'm bleeding from...somewhere like you said about Megan Kelly, you crude buffoon."
#42. To: TooConservative (#35) You suppose she will show up on stage, bleeding from...somewhere? It depends on what time of the month it is for Megyn, doesn't it?? Thanks to the MSM hysterics and marriage to both the GOPe and Democrats Party, this issue is petty, absurdly over-blown and inane. IOW, the usual politics in a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 for cousins GOPe and the Dem Party who BOTH hate conservative America.
#43. To: TooConservative (#39) What exactly does "bleeding from...somewhere" mean then? Well ... did you see or read his comment, "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes" prior to your later question?
#44. To: buckeroo (#11) Donald Trump says he would ‘love to have Oprah’ Winfrey as his 2016 running mate; Good. She's perfect. She'll bring the women, the blacks. He'll bring the white heterosexual males who still have an average of 2.0 balls per sack, and that will produce a political majority so large that they will move things. It will also scramble the color divide on party and break the uniparty hold on blacks and women and trailer trash. Trump/Oprah in 2016. Because the other candidates are all dwarves, imps and monkeys who have never done anything, but Trump and Oprah are at the top of their profession, and good with people, and people like then. Trunp/Oprah: rich people who are a whole lot more like us. I like it.
#45. To: Liberator (#3) Carly Fiorina: "I'm the new rising star Lion-ess of GOP Presidential candidates!" Carly is just the ticket for cuckservative RINO's. I'm certain the average vter is just itching to have another president who embraces outsourcing of jobs to Red China, importing more cheap labor. She backed McCamnesty to the hilt in 2008. The war against Assad promoted by her boy has led to Christian women being sold as sex slaves in Syria. These cuckservatives are sure like the Pharisees went it comes straining the gnat from the soup. Ruperts RINO babes remind me of the line from the Don Henly song "Dirty Laundry:" We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond who
#46. To: buckeroo (#43) Well ... did you see or read his comment, "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes" prior to your later question? He said: "So I have, you know, she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … wherever. Exactly where is this "whereever" that blood is coming out of her? It seems it wasn't her eyes because Donald wasn't satisfied with that, he went to say she was bleeding from "somewhere" else but didn't finish his thought. So where is this "somewhere" that Megan Kelly (much as I dislike her) is bleeding from?
#47. To: TooConservative (#28) So, whom do you prefer, Biden or Hillary? 'Cause that's what you're going to get. Obama's AG will either go after Hillary, giving the White House to Trump, or he will pronounce the issue clear - and give Hillary the green light. And given what the Republicans have on offer, the Democrat wins. So, Biden or Hillary? I pick Biden.
#48. To: TooConservative (#46) As far as I am concerned, she is a devil. Blood drips out of her, "whatever."
#49. To: Vicomte13 (#9) A woman who gets offended by references to menstruation is too much of a pussy to be President. Christian women are being sold as sex slaves in the Middle East thanks to her boy Juan McCain's jihad against Assad.
#50. To: TooConservative (#46) o where is this "somewhere" that Megan Kelly (much as I dislike her) is bleeding from? Probably right now. They do it every month. It makes them difficult to get along with.
#51. To: nativist nationalist (#49) (Edited) Christian women are being sold as sex slaves in the Middle East thanks to her boy Juan McCain's jihad against Assad. Christian women have been sold as sex slaves in the MIddle East since the Roman Empire. If we really cared, we would use our massive foreign aid budget to buy all of them and free them.
#52. To: Liberator (#24) ocialist, statist Dem you can hug and squeeze like a long-lost lover. To bad for me there aren't any "socialist", statist Democrats of power who are pro-life, eh? Cause I'd embrace that candidate too.
#53. To: TooConservative (#41) Let's imagine how that might go. She attacks him for chummy phone calls with Bill Xlinton and for saying he might run third-party. He makes some angry retort about her tenure as HP CEO. She then says something acidic in return and finishes with, "I hope you don't think I'm bleeding from...somewhere like you said about Megan Kelly, you crude buffoon." Yeah, something like that. Good projection. So IOW, Fiorina is THE perfect GOPe candidate to castrate Trump with impunity. Fiorina's got an unsavory past. I'm sure The Donald's advisers are preparing for her cheap shots and position as the only woman aboard the GOPe Express. At the probable cost of his "Republican" standing. THIS is how low the GOPe and RNCe have stooped in order to shut down Trump and prevent him from exposing the establishment Republican treachory, stupidity, and treason. Oh well. This political strategy of siccing Fiorina on Trump is not unlike the old NHL (hockey) strategy of sending out an expendable goon to goad the star player into a fight in order to remove them from the ice. Donald made an unforced error, Fiorina swoops in to capitalize on it. ONLY because she's a woman. I saw a number of political consultants who think that Fiorina won both debates on Thursday. No one at the main debate had as good a night as she had in the 5pm debate. The second tier debate was unfettered by the antics of Kelly and Wallace, and moderated professionally. Again, Fiorina should be commended for following her political advisers' script, her make-up artist, and new "conservative" pupa....and becoming a GOPe butterfly.
#54. To: Vicomte13 (#52) To bad for me there aren't any "socialist", statist Democrats of power who are pro-life, eh? Cause I'd embrace that candidate too. Yup. You're an enigma, Vic :-)
#55. To: Liberator (#13) Who gives a rat's ass? Reminds me of how Yukon used to spam LP threads with comments about how he "DGAS" about the thread's subject matter; to the point where the majority of comments on the thread were his "DGAS" comments. They seem to think alike. Perhaps that was how he was able to figure out Yukon's password?
#56. To: Vicomte13 (#50) Maybe we should recall what her question was about Trump's record of namecalling over the years. ABC:
Maybe he can hire the Sheriff Joe Posse to do that, just like he hired them to investigate Obama's birth certificate. That would be yuge and very classy. Just like Donald himself.
#57. To: nativist nationalist (#49) Christian women are being sold as sex slaves in the Middle East thanks to her boy Juan McCain's jihad against Assad. Surprisingly, neither McStain, Hitlery, or Hoosane get ANY "credit" from the MSM or Congress :-( Instead the REALLY HUGE news is Megyn Kelly being "abused" by Donlad Trump. and "The War on Womyn." What messed up priorities this dopey nation has. We deserve to elect an albino transvestite tri-sexual tree-hugger from Africa -- preferably gender: UNKNOWN. UNDECLARED.
#58. To: nativist nationalist (#55) Hmmm...interesting. ;-)
#59. To: Liberator (#53) So IOW, Fiorina is THE perfect GOPe candidate to castrate Trump with impunity. Obviously.
ONLY because she's a woman. And the argument will be made that she is the perfect choice to go after Hitlery in the traditional VP attack dog role. Her main competition for VP at this point is Kasich, reflecting a hope he would help carry Ohio. But she can unleash a lot of attacks no male candidate would dare to make. How better to prove it than by spit-roasting Trump right now, striking while the iron is hot and he made such an elementary error? I'm surprised she didn't wangle an invite to Red State's confab but she probably has fundraisers to attend after her big debate performance.
#60. To: TooConservative (#25) I think she has prepared for and wants to be the new Palin, an attack dog that can defy the usual War On Women themes. Christian women being sold as sex slaves in Syria is "War On Women;" and she supported one of the chief architects of the policy that made it happen. McCains pitch to the voters was "The illegals are never going home, the jobs are never coming back; and we'll be in Iraq for a hundred years." For some odd reason it did not resonate too well with the voters in 2008. The cuckservatives seem to think it will do better in 2016.
#61. To: Vicomte13, nativist nationalist (#51) (Edited) Christian women have been sold as sex slaves in the MIddle East since the Roman Empire. If we really cared, we would use our massive foreign aid budget to buy all of them and free them. But...but...ONLY in America is there a "War on Womyn." Haven't the Muzzies in Africa gotten that memo yet? Or is American intel SO bad THEY are clueless?? CHRISTIAN women and children are made slaves in Africa by Muzzies. OR their appendages lopped off BY THE THOUSANDS with nary a WORD of protest from the US State Dept. IF we cared....we'd have already marched in DC with torches and pitchforks and cleaned the People's House of blood and its murderous demons.
#62. To: Liberator (#13) The place is not fixable. You have to move out of this cesspool. I, myself, will go to France. Why? Well, because I'm a middle-aged man with a child. So, I need universal education through college, paid for. And I also need universal health insurance that covers everything, for myself, and my wife, and my child. And I need the stability of a guaranteed pension, so that I can plan for the future, when I get old and sick and can no longer work. Those are the three big economic structural needs of my life. Stable employment, where I can't be fired at a whim because some manager doesn't like me, is also a plus. In France, can get these things for approximately 50% of my income, paid in taxes and returned to me as benefits. In America, I can't get the job security at all, and I can only secure college, health care and retirement my spending, in total about 66% of my income on those different parts. So in France I can get more reliable services of what I really NEED, for about 16% less of my income. Also, in France, the actual costs of necessities - notably housing and health care - are lower, so I don't need to earn as much money. Those are the basics. Protecting those basics is the need for physical security. France has a lower crime rate than we do. The country can't be invaded by anybody because of nuclear weapons. So there's my answer to your question: I would move to France. France is imperfect. Notably, they permit abortion, as in America. It's a lot more restrictive, but it's still a right. It's a very socially conscious country, so my cachet will not be as high there as here. Unfortunately the abortion evil has dug in in all developed countries. It can only be avoided in the Muslim world, which is not an option, or in the Catholic world - Latin America and the Philippines. There are parts of Lain America that would work, although unfortunately the faith is weakening there, so abortion law may come in someday. The Philippines are lovely, but Filipina women are a moral hazard for me so moving there would probably imperil my soul. France, either metropolitan or one of the overseas departments down in the Caribbean. That works for me.
#63. To: Liberator (#24) Speaking of "Frauds," the only pols YOU support are indeed MAXIMUM Frauds. Willie is a big fraud. In the early days of LP he routinely referred to Mexicans as Messicans. And now he's taking Ann Coulter to task for not welcoming rapists and murderers from Mexico with open arms.
#64. To: nativist nationalist (#60) McCains pitch to the voters was "The illegals are never going home, the jobs are never coming back; and we'll be in Iraq for a hundred years." For some odd reason it did not resonate too well with the voters in 2008. To think -- this man was THE best the GOPe could offer as the Republican Candidate for President? He said and did ALL he could NOT to be elected President. He's insane. God can't dump a large enough meteor on this planet as far as I'm concerned.
#65. To: nativist nationalist, Willie Green (#63) Willie is a big fraud. It's sad what's happened to Willie. And ALL radical leftists who have NO idea what the US Constitution is actually about.
#66. To: TooConservative (#59) [Fiorina] can unleash a lot of attacks no male candidate would dare to make. How better to prove it than by spit-roasting Trump right now, striking while the iron is hot and he made such an elementary error? POLITICAlly, it's the perfect timing, and perfect VP candidate. She's auditioning.... I'm surprised she didn't wangle an invite to Red State's confab but she probably has fundraisers to attend after her big debate performance.
Doors will start opening for her, no doubt. The GOPe has always rewarded their own with power, position, and great press...the NYT. Remember when McStain was their darling for FUBARing the conservative agenda?
#67. To: Liberator (#24) Based on WHAT info, Yoda? Trump sez our politicians are "stupid liars." Do you disagree with that assessment?
Based on Trump deliberately undermining that assessment with his crude and unprofessional demeanor. Sucker... root for Trump, you'll get another Bush.
#68. To: TooConservative (#56) Now Teh Donald says he must investigate whether he has ever said anything offensive. What Donald says does not offend me. Therefore, it is not offensive. The standard of what is "offensive" and what is not is mine. People who are offended by things that don't offend me are pantywaist pussies who should grow a thicker skin.
#69. To: Liberator (#66) POLITICAlly, it's the perfect timing, and perfect VP candidate. She's auditioning.... Obviously. It is politics after all. She'd have to be brain-dead not to jump all over this and ride the storm front of the raging Twitter thunderstorm raining down on Trump.
#70. To: nativist nationalist (#45) Carly is just the ticket for cuckservative RINO's. I'm certain the average vter is just itching to have another president who embraces outsourcing of jobs to Red China, importing more cheap labor. The targeted voters be wearing blinders. Fiorina's past...won't exist after her re-invention. Whether it all comes out in the wash is in question. In due time, ALL conservatives will be out of money and running who WOULD expose her, leaving only the usual GOPe patsies or tools. In the event the GOP tosses out Trump and his 25% of the electorate, I hope Trump runs 3rd Party...JUST to use it as a platform to expose the GOPe snakes. AND maybe even win in the ultimate %$#@! to the GOPe and Dems.
#71. To: Vicomte13 (#68) What Donald says does not offend me. Therefore, it is not offensive. You're not the average voter these candidates are appealing to (GOP partisans and indy voters). So you aren't important at all. Surely you see this starts to create a major problem even for a notorious blowhard like Trump. At some point, his opponents will use the full dossier they've already compiled of all this bile he's spit out over the years and running ads against him.
#72. To: Liberator (#61) F we cared....we'd have already marched in DC with torches and pitchforks and cleaned the People's House of blood and its murderous demons. I care. I love peace, so I'd offer cash to stop it with verification. If the cash were not accepted, I would declare war and conquer, and bring missionaries to convert in the aftermath, and I would target Islam, specifically, in the conquered lands, for de-Islamification, just like de-Nazification. If the cash were accepted, I'd give all of the freed women, and whatever families they had to go back to, and their children by their captors, if they had any, asylum in the US with a path to citizenship: abused foreign Christians who were rescued by America are EXACTLY what we need as voting citizens, ASAP. Which is why we should be handing out green cards to the abused Orthodox Christians everywhere in the Middle East. If you're a Middle Eastern Christian, and you want to come to America, the visa and green card should be as automatic as it was for Russian Jews. This should apply to Israeli Christians as well. We're propping up Israel anyway, so give the Israeli Christians the choice of emigrating to America. Let the Arab Israeli think truly be a Jewish Muslim fight,. Get the Christians out from in- between. And if the countries take the money, free the slaves, but then go back to enslaving Christians, war, conquest, slaughter, de-Islamification. The answer to slavery is war and Reconstruction, at the point of a gun.
#73. To: TooConservative (#69) She'd have to be brain-dead not to jump all over this and ride the storm front of the raging Twitter thunderstorm raining down on Trump. Her aim had better be awfully good. FWIW -- much of that Twitter "thunderstorm" is BS. BUT perception (and reporting by the MSM and liberal blogs) is everything. I *knew* Megyn Kelly would be using her debate platform to self-promote AND front for....the Dems. She's an attention-whore. People are so naive and/or stupid. (yes, hedging again.)
#74. To: Fred Mertz (#33) " it wasn't even a debate - the candidates vs candidates? DING DING DING DING DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER !!! Si vis pacem, para bellum #75. To: TooConservative (#71) You're not the average voter these candidates are appealing to (GOP partisans and indy voters). I sure hope the Democrats pick Biden, because if you take Donald out of the mix, the Republicans have nobody who can win, so the Dem will win. Biden would be all right. Hillary. Brrrrrrr. (Though at least she probably doesn't bleed every month anymore.) Megyn Kelly for President. The statistical probability of nuclear war will ebb and flow with the Moon cycle. Yeah, that's it. I have a monthly cycle myself. If some brazen bastard did something on the full moon, the chances that the US would send in the SEALS to blow off his head would shoot WAY up. So I DO understand, Megyn. It's just that the difference is that I recognize a guy who's a leader when I see him. But you're just a cunt.
#76. To: buckeroo (#11) LOL Ophra would not enter the same building as Trump. "When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan . . . Comments (77 - 479) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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