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Title: CEO Raises Salaries to $70K for EVERY Employee, Now has to Rent Out his Own Home to Make Ends Meet
Source: The Young Conservative
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Published: Aug 2, 2015
Author: John S. Roberts
Post Date: 2015-08-02 10:40:45 by GrandIsland
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Views: 5979
Comments: 63

Back in April we told you about Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments, who said he would pay every single one of his employees $70,000 annually.

Every single one, from the lowest skilled workers on up.

Now, as expected, Price has fallen on hard times financially, even having to rent out his own home.

Employees who work for Gravity are now leaving the company, “spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises.”

This was always going to be the outcome.

If everyone hits the jackpot, does anybody really win the lottery?

When Dan Price, founder and CEO of the Seattle-based credit-card-payment processing firm Gravity Payments, announced he was raising the company’s minimum salary to $70,000 a year, he was met with overwhelming enthusiasm.

“Everyone start[ed] screaming and cheering and just going crazy,” Price told Business Insider shortly after he broke the news in April.

But in the weeks since then, it’s become clear that not everyone is equally pleased. Among the critics? Some of Price’s own employees.

Maisey McMaster — once a big supporter of the plan — is one of the employees that quit. McMaster, 26, joined the company five years ago, eventually working her way up to financial manager. She put in long hours that “left little time for her husband and extended family,” The Times says, but she loved the “special culture” of the place.

But while she was initially on board, helping to calculate whether the company could afford to raise salaries so drastically (the plan is a minimum of $70,000 over the course of three years), McMaster later began to have doubts.

“He gave raises to people who have the least skills and are the least equipped to do the job, and the ones who were taking on the most didn’t get much of a bump,” she told The Times. A fairer plan, she told the paper, would give newer employees smaller increases, along with the chance to earn a more substantial raise with more experience.

Back in April we told you about Dan Price, CEO of Gravity Payments, who said he would pay every single one of his employees $70,000 annually.

Every single one, from the lowest skilled workers on up.

Now, as expected, Price has fallen on hard times financially, even having to rent out his own home.

Employees who work for Gravity are now leaving the company, “spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises.”

This was always going to be the outcome.

If everyone hits the jackpot, does anybody really win the lottery?

From BI:

When Dan Price, founder and CEO of the Seattle-based credit-card-payment processing firm Gravity Payments, announced he was raising the company’s minimum salary to $70,000 a year, he was met with overwhelming enthusiasm.

“Everyone start[ed] screaming and cheering and just going crazy,” Price told Business Insider shortly after he broke the news in April.

But in the weeks since then, it’s become clear that not everyone is equally pleased. Among the critics? Some of Price’s own employees.

Maisey McMaster — once a big supporter of the plan — is one of the employees that quit. McMaster, 26, joined the company five years ago, eventually working her way up to financial manager. She put in long hours that “left little time for her husband and extended family,” The Times says, but she loved the “special culture” of the place.

But while she was initially on board, helping to calculate whether the company could afford to raise salaries so drastically (the plan is a minimum of $70,000 over the course of three years), McMaster later began to have doubts.

“He gave raises to people who have the least skills and are the least equipped to do the job, and the ones who were taking on the most didn’t get much of a bump,” she told The Times. A fairer plan, she told the paper, would give newer employees smaller increases, along with the chance to earn a more substantial raise with more experience. From Fox News:

Dan Price, 31, tells the New York Times that things have gotten so bad he’s been forced to rent out his house.

“I’m working as hard as I ever worked to make it work,” he told the Times in a video that shows him sitting on a plastic bucket in the garage of his house. “I’m renting out my house right now to try and make ends meet myself.”

The Times article said Price’s decision ended up costing him a few customers and two of his “most valued” employees, who quit after newer employees ended up with bigger salary hikes than older ones.

Grant Moran, 29, also quit, saying the new pay-scale was disconcerting

“Now the people who were just clocking in and out were making the same as me,” he told the paper. “It shackles high performers to less motivated team members.”

The Times said customers who left were dismayed at what Price did, viewing it as a political statement. Others left fearful Gravity would soon hike fees to pay for salary increases.

Brian Canlis, co-owner of a family restaurant, already worried about how to deal with Seattle’s new minimum wage, told Price the pay raise at Gravity “makes it harder for the rest of us.” And to think, all of this came about within a few short months.

Liberal logic, for ya. One man with good intentions loses so much because he doesn’t understand how economics work.

Socialism: We all fail together!


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Grant Moran, 29, also quit, saying the new pay-scale was disconcerting “Now the people who were just clocking in and out were making the same as me,” he told the paper. “It shackles high performers to less motivated team members.” SOCIALISTIC INCOME EQUALITY WILL DO THIS EVERY TIME... WE ARE NOT EQUAL.

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#1. To: GrandIsland (#0)

Socialism: We all fail together!

All government workers believe in socialism; they believe in stealing from the honest taxpayers and giving the bounty to themselves.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-02   10:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1) (Edited)

All government workers believe in socialism

Hypocritical Bucky. In your community, how many roads do you surface, plow or build? How many criminals have you caught and arrested? How many house fires have you responded to? If you condemn a government paid employee to do these things, surely you do them for free. Something tells me you don't do anything like that... but just call the people that do, socialists.

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   11:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GrandIsland (#2)

Taxpayer dollars pay for all the services that you discuss; we even pay for your water-cooler chitchat that go on and on, for hours on end, about your free pensions.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-02   11:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GrandIsland (#0)

Who could have predicted these intense repercussions?     : )

“I’m working as hard as I ever worked to make it work,” he told the Times in a video that shows him sitting on a plastic bucket in the garage of his house.

This guy seems to spend a lot of time changing his hairstyle and posing for glam photos. My goodness, look at that, a sweet young Lefty reduced to sitting on a bucket! It's a national tragedy. I'm surprised he's managed to build such a solid business but he has been a king of cut-rate credit card processing for small business.

It's funny that his brother, the 30% owner, is suing his ass.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   11:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#3)

Taxpayer dollars pay for all the services that you discuss; we even pay for your water-cooler chitchat that go on and on, for hours on end, about your free pensions.

No shit, Sherlock... and if you aren't willing to do those services FOR FREE, on your spare time, then WE NEED THEM AND IT ISN'T SOCIALIST.... or you can kindly stfu.

Your forefathers intended on limited government services because they, being smarter then you, knew that this country would need some government services and it's NOT SOCIALISTIC to fund "limited" services that everyone uses equally. So either do the job of police officer, for free, or shut your mouth about those that do it for a paycheck.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   11:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#4)

This guy seems to spend a lot of time changing his hairstyle and posing for glam photos. My goodness, look at that, a sweet young Lefty reduced to sitting on a bucket! It's a national tragedy.

I think it's wonderful he's sitting on a bucket, but he'll do what the millennium generation does... pass blame on something other than his socialist income equality scheme.

The greatest threat our country faces with income equality is no drive to be better than the person next to you. We are not equal... we never were. We should never treat people as equals, people should only be treated FAIRLY.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   11:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#0)

"McMaster, 26, joined the company five years ago, eventually working her way up to financial manager."

The same thing will happen with the $15 minimum wage. Employees who have been there five years and worked their way up to $15 an hour see a new hire being paid that.

Now what?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   12:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GrandIsland (#0)

CEO Raises Salaries to $70K for EVERY Employee, Now has to Rent Out his Own Home to Make Ends Meet

Had he raised salaries to $500,000 maybe it would have worked better.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-02   12:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: rlk (#8)

I bet you his salary wasn't 70K

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   13:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GrandIsland (#9) (Edited)

I bet you his salary wasn't 70K

The young Lefty owner was supposedly taking home over a million a year before this. I read it elsewhere. And his older brother was doing quite well with his 30% share.

Now he's sitting on a bucket, tossing his flaxen curls, in the garage of the house he's been forced to rent out, possibly even Republicans.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   13:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GrandIsland (#0)

Socialism: We all fail together!
Author: John S. Roberts

John S. Roberts doesn't know what he's talking about.
This has absolutely nothing to do with "socialism."
Gravity Payments operates in the private sector... and while CEO Dan Price may have been a creative entrepreneur, he's also a obviously a piss-poor business manager.
Nevertheless, government regulation and "socialism" still has nothing to do with Gravity Payments difficulties... Dan Price did that all by himself.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-08-02   14:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green (#11)

he's also a obviously a piss-poor business manager.

The ideal of income equality is a piss poor business decision... and income equality has everything to do with socialism whether it's done by a private business owning socialist or your government tries this failed, shitty ideal.

The fact that you've already spun different reasons than socialism as the cause of failure, tells me how socallistic and ignorant you are.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   15:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GrandIsland (#12)

and income equality has everything to do with socialism whether it's done by a private business owning socialist or your government tries this failed, shitty ideal.

No, when attempted by private business, that business risks being undercut by the competition.
When imposed by government, all business compete on the same, level playing field.

It's basicly the same difference between "Free Trade" and "Fair Trade".
The former leads to self-destructive, cut-throat competition and a "race to the bottom" as health/safety & environmental standards and the standard of living is continuously undercut and eroded... the latter (fair trade) provides the benefits of competition while assuring a level playing field that does NOT undercut standards.

LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-08-02   15:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GrandIsland, buckeroo, TooConservative, misterwhite, rlk, Willie Green (#0) (Edited)

John S. Roberts doesn't know what he's talking about. This has absolutely nothing to do with "socialism." Gravity Payments operates in the private sector... and while CEO Dan Price may have been a creative entrepreneur, he's also a obviously a piss-poor business manager. Nevertheless, government regulation and "socialism" still has nothing to do with Gravity Payments difficulties... Dan Price did that all by himself.

As Willie stated.

This is not socialism if a private business does this on their own. I guess socialism is now a code word in GOP circles for something else.

Socialism has only ONE meaning - the govt control of the economy and govt ownership of business/resources.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-02   18:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#7)

The same thing will happen with the $15 minimum wage. Employees who have been there five years and worked their way up to $15 an hour see a new hire being paid that.

Sure. Why not dump your $15/hour job putting up dry wall and just take $15/hour to flip burgers instead?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   18:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#15)

Sure. Why not dump your $15/hour job putting up dry wall and just take $15/hour to flip burgers instead?

Neither job is a skilled tradesman job.

In any case, cities that have a high cost in housing should adopt socialist measures and build low cost community housing that will allow minimum wage workers to afford care.

That is a better solution than raising wages to try and match some sort of fair living wage.

The thing is most jobs are in big cities and this forces people to commute up to 2 hours a day and more. This applies to middle class people and poor people.

It is not a case of them trying to find work nearby - there is no work in rural or suburban areas in these quantities.

Public transportation can't hack it either and roads are clogged.

And I am not talking about 'projects' style housing either. small 2 to 4 family style homes built in a lot of the unused city land and rented or sold cheap to working class families within 30 minutes of downtown is doable and cheap. It is something that would not cost a lot to do and would pay off in tax revenue, increases in quality of life (families may divorce less, parents near schools, more involved in child rearing, etc).

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-02   19:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#15)

My point is, people have worked their way up to $15 an hour by busting their butt at their job for years. Along comes a new hire making $15 an hour. They're going to be pissed.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   20:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pericles (#16)

Neither job is a skilled tradesman job.

I was giving an example of an inside job with low physical effort compared to an entry-level construction job.

Shingling, dry wall, etc.

In any case, cities that have a high cost in housing should adopt socialist measures and build low cost community housing that will allow minimum wage workers to afford care.

Now you're going far afield. Being a crass Republican, I was talking about the immediate and long-term effects of raising minimum wage well above the going rate for a lot of other jobs that require more skill or harsher working conditions.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   20:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pericles (#16)

There used to be jobs in the inner cities -- before gangs, guns, drugs, arson, murder, rape and assault drove them out.

That wasn't my fault so I feel no obligation to fix it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   20:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite (#17)

My point is, people have worked their way up to $15 an hour by busting their butt at their job for years. Along comes a new hire making $15 an hour. They're going to be pissed.

Of course. Anyone in a union shop knows how annoying it is to get paid the same to do your job as for the people who show up only for a check and seem to compete at avoiding doing any actual work.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   20:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pericles (#16)

In any case, cities that have a high cost in housing should adopt socialist measures and build low cost community housing that will allow minimum wage workers to afford care.

Minimum wage jobs are starter jobs for teenagers that are living at home with Mommy and Daddy. They aren't meant for you to make a living off of just learn what work is all about...

BTA again if the stupid bastards you vote for weren't in office this country wouldn't have that problem now would it??

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-02   20:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#21)

Minimum wage jobs are starter jobs for teenagers that are living at home with Mommy and Daddy.

That hasn't been true for a long time. Especially in recent years where illegals are grabbing up 70% of the minimum wage jobs, possibly more.

And I recall when you could make ends meet on minimum wage. I did it while working through college. So did a lot of other people.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   21:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#19)

There used to be jobs in the inner cities -- before gangs, guns, drugs, arson, murder, rape and assault drove them out.

That wasn't my fault so I feel no obligation to fix it.

Your statement tells me you don't know shit. There were never jobs in residential areas except for like grocery jobs, etc. People in the "inner city" would commute to work on the train or bus. They still do but rent is high these days even for inner cities. Harlem rent, for example, starts at 1,000 a month for example and he is white - moving into a former black part of town because rents are still cheaper there but it still blows a hole in his budget.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-02   21:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative, CZ82 (#22)

inimum wage jobs are starter jobs for teenagers that are living at home with Mommy and Daddy. That hasn't been true for a long time. Especially in recent years where illegals are grabbing up 70% of the minimum wage jobs, possibly more.

And I recall when you could make ends meet on minimum wage. I did it while working through college. So did a lot of other people.

TC is correct - this idea that kids are being employed after school or summer jobs on minimum wage like we still live in Mayberry times is long dead. I don't get why this still pops up.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-02   21:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CZ82 (#21)

TA again if the stupid bastards you vote for weren't in office this country wouldn't have that problem now would it??

Republicans?

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-02   21:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#22)

One idea that I like is for city govt to give up land for a construction company like Trump to build low cost housing - high rent mixed with middle and low rent maybe? Studies show mixed classes produce stable communities - and allow the company to rent and or sell condos and rent apts that will have fixed prices - say for 10 years. This way no taxes are raised and you add value to unused land. Better spent then building sports stadiums, etc.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-02   21:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pericles (#14)

This is not socialism if a private business does this on their own.

Look, the point you are trying to avoid via semantics, is a socialistic IDEAL (like income equality) DOESNT WORK, whether it's done as a government OR IF A PRIVATE BUSINESS operates under the same bullshit ideologies.

Try and keep up with my conversations. Shall I type slower for you?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   22:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Pericles (#16)

Sure. Why not dump your $15/hour job putting up dry wall and just take $15/hour to flip burgers instead?

Neither job is a skilled tradesman job.

Ever tried to explain that to someone that puts up drywall?

n any case, cities that have a high cost in housing should adopt socialist measures and build low cost community housing that will allow minimum wage workers to afford care.

ROFLMAO! "Socialism" described as being "low cost"!

Good one,comrade!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-03   0:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#28)

Ever tried to explain that to someone that puts up drywall?

$5 says he's never done any "rocking" before, especially ceilings...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   8:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TooConservative, Pericles (#22)

TC is correct - this idea that kids are being employed after school or summer jobs on minimum wage like we still live in Mayberry times is long dead. I don't get why this still pops up.

That hasn't been true for a long time. Especially in recent years where illegals are grabbing up 70% of the minimum wage jobs, possibly more.

Sounds like you guys are willing to accept these changes (for the worse) to our country instead of fixing the real problem(s)???

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   8:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: CZ82 (#30)

Sounds like you guys are willing to accept these changes (for the worse) to our country instead of fixing the real problem(s)???

We haven't accepted it. We're just mentioning the news reports. I know I recall Drudge posting a story about the illegals taking the bulk of the summer jobs away from the teens.

Then there are the tourist spots mostly along the coasts where we often import foreign teenagers to work resorts and beach concession stands and so on. They allow in tens of thousands of foreigners to do this work. So it isn't just illegals, it's also foreigners with a legal job. Probably some of them then overstay their visa as we do know that a large portion of the "illegals" are people who overstayed a lawful student visa or work visa.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-03   8:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete, pericles (#28)

Sure. Why not dump your $15/hour job putting up dry wall and just take $15/hour to flip burgers instead? Neither job is a skilled tradesman job.

Ever tried to explain that to someone that puts up drywall?

That's why socialist should never be allowed in government!

If I had a choice of sweeping floors, flipping burgers, drywaller or roofer for the same or close to the same pay it would be flipping burgers!

I have worked around drywallers and I have roofed before and it's not a job a sane person chooses. You choose it for the pay.

Justified  posted on  2015-08-03   9:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pericles (#24)

TC is correct - this idea that kids are being employed after school or summer jobs on minimum wage like we still live in Mayberry times is long dead. I don't get why this still pops up.

It is not dead. All of my kids at the proper age had jobs. Not just during the summer but during the school year too.

They also always have the opportunithy to do work for me. Which they did since they were little.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-03   9:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative, Pericles, redleghunter, Liberator, tomder55 (#22)

And I recall when you could make ends meet on minimum wage. I did it while working through college. So did a lot of other people.

I got my first job in 74 working for $1.90 per hour which was minimum wage at that time, I was a Junior in High School. There is no way that job would have let me move out and be on my own unless I lived in a cardboard box.

Now when I got a job working for a refuse company (making 3 times minimum wage) then I could have moved out on my own. Instead I decided to go into the military and learn a real skill and be able to get real jobs and have never looked back.

IIRC this is what is called "Starting at the bottom and working your way up", you know what most Americans used to pride themselves for doing?? (Not anymore I would say). I'm dumbfounded as to what the reasoning is nowadays for not traveling the route I traveled to become a responsible human being??????? (Laziness, believing the Leftard meme, stupidity)???????

Since I now have a good family, (2 and 4 legged) Grandchildren, cars, boat, and house/property worth right at $300K I don't consider that as wasting my life, some might but I don't... The ones that do are what's wrong with this country, and they know it just won't admit it!!!

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   9:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative (#31)

Then there are the tourist spots mostly along the coasts where we often import foreign teenagers to work resorts and beach concession stands and so on. They allow in tens of thousands of foreigners to do this work. So it isn't just illegals, it's also foreigners with a legal job. Probably some of them then overstay their visa as we do know that a large portion of the "illegals" are people who overstayed a lawful student visa or work visa.

The Russians and Czhecks etc that work at the resorts are interesting people to talk to.

I think they hire them for lifeguards because they can't quit. Unless they want to go home.

I do kind of get irritated sometimes when some foreigner is blowing the whistle telling me to come closer to shore.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-03   9:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pericles (#25)

If you would be so kind as to inform me "which politicians" want to do the right thing for this country instead of looking out for their own wallet then we'll both know...

But I have a sneaking suspicion your answer will make me laugh!!!

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   9:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#34)

the route I traveled to become a responsible human

bwaawhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

That's a good one. You a responsible person. lol.

Just kiddin. :)

Aren't you the one who used to drive through puddles when it was raining to splash old ladies?

What was that you wiped on that window?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-03   9:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: CZ82 (#36)

If you would be so kind as to inform me "which politicians" want to do the right thing for this country instead of looking out for their own wallet then we'll both know...

Cruz, Trump, Jindal.

That was an easy one.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-03   9:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TooConservative, Pericles (#31)

Then there are the tourist spots mostly along the coasts where we often import foreign teenagers to work resorts and beach concession stands and so on. They allow in tens of thousands of foreigners to do this work. So it isn't just illegals, it's also foreigners with a legal job. Probably some of them then overstay their visa as we do know that a large portion of the "illegals" are people who overstayed a lawful student visa or work visa.

Sounds like a whole lot of changes need to be made to put things right, like getting rid of all the illegals/foreigners for a start.

Raising minimum wage will only entice more of them to come here and ruin it for everybody else.

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   9:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#28)

n any case, cities that have a high cost in housing should adopt socialist measures and build low cost community housing that will allow minimum wage workers to afford care.

ROFLMAO! "Socialism" described as being "low cost"!

Good one,comrade!

I call it socialism to tweak you guys.

The proposals I have read and liked have to do with cities handing over land they own (so I guess that is socialism) and giving it away to a developer with the condition they produce housing that will be sold or rented at predetermined rates. Bloomberg, the past billionaire mayor of New York wanted to do something like that. The housing is built by a private contractor and since they got the land for free they can charge less money for rent and sales costs if a condo or co-op.

Like it or not, the majority of workers in this country live in teh suburbs and commute to the city and many are on the road for 2 to 3 hours one way every day - all because they can't afford to live in the city limits near their jobs. If I was a mayor I would want to make it possible these workers live in the city where they can be taxed and where they can live and spend their money on the local economy. After 5pm many cities become ghost towns.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-03   9:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: CZ82 (#39)

I am no longer a registered Republican and belong to no party. I can't vote in the primaries in my state (in some states independents can) but if Trump makes it I will vote for him.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-03   9:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: All (#32)

I think 2 things have distorted wages. Illegal aliens and socialist in government.

Illegal aliens bring down wages and benefits bellow market levels causing employees to work for less.

Government raises wages and benefits beyond market levels ability to coop.

Justified  posted on  2015-08-03   9:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Aren't you the one who used to drive through puddles when it was raining to splash old ladies?

Running them over would be better, would lower your and my taxes!! :) LOL...

That wasn't me that was a semi driver who completely soaked a HS kid in his Beavercreek letter jacket that was walking alongside the road, must have been about 1980 or so. There used to be a low spot right across from Krogers on Dayton-Xenia and it would hold a thousand gallons or so of rainwater in it for days. The truck went thru it doing about 30MPH and the poor kid completely disappeared in that wall of water, never laughed so hard in my life.

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   9:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pericles (#41)

I'm laughing...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   9:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#38)

I'm laughing...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   9:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82, A K A Stone, Pericles (#39) (Edited)

Raising minimum wage will only entice more of them to come here and ruin it for everybody else.

The legal summer resort employment racket is a special case, I think. I saw some TV story about it years back. As I recall it, the numbers were in the hundreds of thousands.

These kids have nowhere to go so they can't just quit their job like American kids can. They're less likely to get in trouble entirely as they don't hire anyone overseas with a criminal record or a drug record. Usually it's students with a good behavior record in school, no arrests, no drug history, and no local bad influences here in America that they are connected with. They're just here to work.

As I understand it, they sign an employment contract. So, even if they are paid minimum wage, they get stuck with having the cost of housing/food deducted from their wages which can allow a savvy resort operator to recoup some of those wage costs by overcharging these temporary foreign employees on rents for housing. They can also house them inland from the resorts and bus them in/out so they don't have to give up high-dollar resort area real estate and can just keep them in a much cheaper inland location.

I've always wondered just how many of these ended up overstaying their summer work visa, just like all the student visas that get overstayed.

There are almost as many illegals who just overstayed their visa as there are of actual illegal border crossers.

I don't mind the summer employment racket that much, provided they don't exploit these kids or leave locals without any summer jobs. If a foreign kid comes here and has a good work record and returned home at the end, they should move up on the list of who we are admitting as legal immigrants.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-03   9:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: CZ82 (#29)

$5 says he's never done any "rocking" before, especially ceilings...

NOT a bet I am going to be taking.

It seems obvious to me he is an academic with nothing but theory and no actual experience at anything but being politically correct and passing tests.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-03   10:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Pericles (#40)

The proposals I have read and liked have to do with cities handing over land they own (so I guess that is socialism) and giving it away to a developer with the condition they produce housing that will be sold or rented at predetermined rates.

ROFLMAO!

All theory,no experience.

In the REAL world,the way those schemes always work out is that the contracts ALWAYS go out to someone politically connected (like Trump,for example)in exchange for kickbacks,and then the projects are delayed due to rising costs and the payouts get upped in order for the politicians to brag about finishing them. Everybody knows going in that unless the contractor is black or some other minority including a member of the majority female population,the bid is so low it would be impossible to complete for the stated budget,and that "adjustments will be made down the road".

In the case of AA no-bid government contracts,the sky is the roof. I know of a local black guy that got the contract to pave a new 4 lany highway going through this area,and he didn't even own a dump truck and had not only never worked any paving jobs before,but had never been known to work ANY jobs other then pimping and running an illegal gaming house for gamblers he sold moonshine and pizza's to.

After getting the contract the first thing he did was "sub it out" to probably the largest paving company in the state,and a company with Dim Party connections going back to the 30's. He got enough cash out of that one to buy a dump truck,and then they hired him to use the truck to haul gravel,asphalt,and dirt. Or more correctly they hired one of his sons,because he had no intention of working.

He also managed to find 3 white whores in their late teens or early 20's to work in his nop join/gambling den house,and that halped push his income up considerably,too.

In fact,he made so much money out of this he just disappeared about 2 years later and nobody will admit to knowing where he went. I may be wrong,but I suspect back child care payments had a lot to do with that. Last I heard,he had over a dozen children with different women.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-03   10:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#48)

In the REAL world,the way those schemes always work out is that the contracts ALWAYS go out to someone politically connected (like Trump,for example)in exchange for kickbacks,and then the projects are delayed due to rising costs and the payouts get upped in order for the politicians to brag about finishing them. Everybody knows going in that unless the contractor is black or some other minority including a member of the majority female population,the bid is so low it would be impossible to complete for the stated budget,and that "adjustments will be made down the road".

It does not matter - the cost is borne by the real estate developer. The city does not pay for anything regarding construction. Since they don't get govt money the incentive is to build ontime and onbudget.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-03   11:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GrandIsland, TooConservative (#0)

I think many of us predicted this to happen. Although I think TC said the owner would eventually sell the company and live comfortably off the sale.

Probably what will happen once he realizes his comfort level will not be satisfied on $70k per yr.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-03   12:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Pericles (#49)

It does not matter - the cost is borne by the real estate developer.

You really do believe that,don't you?

Not only that,but it's not going to cost anybody anything,and all the workers will get free rides to work on Unicorns.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-03   13:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: sneakypete (#51)

It does not matter - the cost is borne by the real estate developer. You really do believe that,don't you?

Not only that,but it's not going to cost anybody anything,and all the workers will get free rides to work on Unicorns.

Yes, because the real estate developer has a fixed income from the apts. They take in a revenue. There is a profit incentive based on a guaranteed income.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-03   13:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: CZ82, TooConservative, Pericles, redleghunter, Liberator, (#34)

The NY Slimes editorial in 1984 called for a min wage of $0.0

www.nytimes.com/1987/01/1...ht-minimum-wage-0.00.html

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-08-03   18:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: tomder55 (#53)

www.nytimes.com/1987/01/1...ht-minimum-wage-0.00.html

- better yet - help them acquire the skills needed to earn more on their own.

I wholeheartedly agree!!

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-03   18:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#38)

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-04   0:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#38)

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-04   0:50:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: tomder55 (#53)

Good OP ED.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-04   0:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#38)

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-04   0:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: tomder55, CZ82, TooConservative, Pericles, redleghunter (#53)

The NY Slimes editorial in 1984 called for a min wage of $0.0

Can't make this stuff up. But after all -- it *wuz* 1984. And The Gipper was President.

The Slimes editorial board has been to the left of Pravda for what -- the last 10-15 years?

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-04   10:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Pericles (#16)

("Why not dump your $15/hour job putting up dry wall and just take $15/hour to flip burgers instead?")

Neither job is a skilled tradesman job.

Huh?? You ever do drywall??

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-04   10:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: TooConservative, CZ82 (#22)

I recall when you could make ends meet on minimum wage. I did it while working through college. So did a lot of other people.

True. Incredibly so.

THAT memory hurts. Only because it underscores the current degree of inflation.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-04   10:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Liberator (#60)

Huh?? You ever do drywall??

Now you know better than to ask that question, the only things he knows how to do involves a computer and a bag of Cheetos...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-04   19:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: buckeroo (#56)

Hmmmm, let me guess you managed to get yourself suspended again??

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-04   19:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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