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Title: God's Economics In His Own Words
Source: Genesis through Revelation
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Published: Jul 23, 2015
Author: God
Post Date: 2015-07-23 11:41:25 by Vicomte13
Keywords: None
Views: 2625
Comments: 33

The roots of economics: Of natural law, order, energy, the elements, the cosmos, sky-sea-and land, plants, animals and humans, reproduction, food, the serpent, and the tree of knowledge of function and dysfunction; the imposition scarcity, of the need for clothing, and of potential medical needs.

ELOHIYM [the Powers]: "Or [order or light] will exist."

"Day." "Night."

"A sheet will exist in midst of the waters, making separate waters to waters."

"Skies."

"The waters from under the skies will be bound up into one area and the dry ground will be seen."

"Land." "Seas."

"The land will make sprout shoots, stems making sowing seed, produce tree making produce of his kind with his seed in him, upon the land."

"Luminaries will exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make separate between the day and between the night, and they exist to [make] signs and to [make] appointed [times], and to days and years, and the luminaries exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make light upon the land."

"Swarmers will swarm the waters, living beings, and flyers upon the land will much fly upon [the] faces [of the] sheet [of] the skies."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the waters in the seas! And flyers, increase in the land."

"The land will make go out kind[s] of living beings, beasts and treaders, and living land beings [of] their kind[s]."

"We will do human in [the] image [of] us, like the likeness [of] us, and he ruled in fish [of] the sea and in flyers [of] the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all [of] the treader treading upon the land."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the land! And subdue her! Rule in fish [of] the sea and in flyer [of] the skies and in all living treading upon the land."

"Look! I gave all stems sowing seeds that [are] upon [the] faces [of] all the land. And each produce tree[s] that in him sowing seeds; to you [it] will exist for food. And to all living [in] the land, and to all flyer [of] the skies, and to all living treading upon the land: all green stems to food."

YHWH: "You will eat from all tree[s] of the garden. And from [the] tree [of] the discernment [of] functional and dysfunctional - you will not eat from him, given that in [the] day you eat from him: die, you will die."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Not functional is the human [as] a stick {i.e.: a single branch]. I will do to him help, like opposite him."

The woman, quoting Elohiym to the serpent regarding the Tree of Discernment of Function and Dsfunction: "You will not eat from him, and you will not touch him, otherwise you will die."

YHWH: "Where [are] you?"

"Who made face-to-face to you that you [are] naked? From the tree which I did much direct you except from him to eat: you will eat."

"What this did you do?"

"Given that you did do this, spit-upon [are] you from all the beast and from all the living. Upon your belly you will walk and power you will eat all the days of your living. And hostility I will set down between you and between the woman and between your seed and between her seed. He will fall upon your head, and you will fall upon his heel."

"Make increase - I will make increase your (singular) hardship and your (singular) pregnancy; in distressing pain you (singular) will bring forth sons; and to your (singular) man you (singular) [will be] following, and he will regulate in you."

"Given that you hearkened to [the] voice [of] your woman and you will eat from the tree from which I did much direct you, saying you will not eat from him, the ground [is] spitted-upon in your crossing-over; in hardship you (masculine singular) will eat her all days you live. And bramble and thistle she [the land] will make spring up to you, and you ate stem[s] [of] the field. In sweat [of] your noses you (masculine singular) will eat bread until you turn back to the ground, given that you [are] powder and to powder you will turn back."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Though the human existed [a] like one from us, to know functional and dysfunctional, and now otherwise he will send his hand and take also from Tree [of} the Livings and ate and lived to distant time."

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#2. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

Here is a good place to start. I didn't notice your thread.

You said I started with a preacher. A preacher reading from the Bible.

I don't think you can dispute anything he says. If you can useing the Bibloe please let me know. Thatnks

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-07-23   12:46:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#2)

In this thread I'm quoting God verbatim, just God, and just the parts where God speaks directly, that are indicated as "God said", or The LORD said, or Jesus said.

God speaks for himself.

I've had enough of Christians telling me what God means. I'm going to present what God, just God, said about economics (which touches on most things), starting on page 1 of Genesis and going through the final page of Revelation.

Just God. Direct quotes only. In order, from A to Z.

God speaks for himself. He speaks clearly.

The translation is literal (which is why it is clumsy).

I am bone tired of arguing with Christians. Tired and done with it. God said what he said, as he said it, and he meant just exactly that.

Just God.

Whosoever has a beef with the words spoken out of the mouth of God has a beef with God, and can take it up with Him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-23   12:56:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#4)

God's Economics In His Own Words

God gave Man all the abundance that Man could ever utilize, everything physical on Earth that Man needed and would likely ever want. What need was there for economy of anything?

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-23   17:51:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#9. To: SOSO (#8)

God gave Man all the abundance that Man could ever utilize, everything physical on Earth that Man needed and would likely ever want. What need was there for economy of anything?

The word "economony" is composed of two words: "oikos", which is Greek for "house", and "nomos" which is Greek for "law".

So, "economy" - oikonomia - is "the law of the house".

From the beginning, there was a divine oikonomia: Humans and animals were given a world abundant with plants, which they were to eat. God provided.

They were to reproduce and fill the land, and humans were to subdue it and rule it - and rule the animals - but "ruling" the animals did not mean killing them for food. It did mean tending flocks and drinking their milk. Abel offered a gift of milk from the ewes of his flocks to God; Cain offered food from the plants of the field.

Men did not require clothing. They were naked. They didn't need to farm: the food was available for the taking.

It was all functional. It worked according to God's design.

But then man stretched forth his hand and ate from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of function and dysfunction, and the very first effect was to see he was naked. The first instinct was to take plants and use them to make coverings. It was God who provided Adam and Eve with clothes of animal skins.

And thus a need was born, a new need, not planned by God in the design of his garden and the world. By design, men and women walk naked like the other animals, stretch forth their hands and eat from the trees, and the animals eat herbs.

Man was a gardener, tending and keeping the garden of delight, and ruling the animals, but the animals did not fear man - there being no need to.

The first killing in Scripture is a man killing his brother. The next killing mentioned is Lamech threatening his two wives, reminding them how he killed a man and a boy for trivialities. Violence sprawls out of control, and God drowns it in a flood.

So, the original divine economy for man is easy. Naked, free, tending the garden, eating at will, no need for any violence, and no need for specific labor.

But with the Fall comes labor: now clothes have to be made - a major undertaking in and of itself. And now the ground is "spitted on" because of the humans' act. Now it doesn't bring forth things easy as in a garden of delight. Now it brings forth thorns and thistles, and man is no longer eating lovely fruit off trees, he's eating green plants out of the field, like an animal. He is cooking his bread, which he has to obtain through the sweat of his brow from cursed land. Reproduction, which was before moderate, becomes immoderate. Lust is awakened, and childbirth comes with pain and perhaps death. Death stalks the land, the promise of it.

And man starts dealing death out to other men, first Cain and Abel, then others. Until finally there is so much violence that God decides the baptize the world to wash away all of the sin by drowning all breathers on land in the Great Flood.

The oikonomia, the law of the house, changed as men fell, and became worse and worse. Once men have to clothe themselves and grow food with labor, things get harder, and scarcer. Once women are out of action with agonizing childbirth, things get harder. Once men introduce violence against each other, things get worse still.

It is Cain who builds the first city. Men were to fill the land and subdue it, but with Cain, they instead clump and live together - perhaps for protection and assistance in a a world in which they now NEED it.

Cities bring with them disease, excrement, problems. Men do not live as well in cities. Even today North Dakotans far outlive New Yorkers, and in an age before sanitation, that much moreso. The habit of fleeing Paris in August is not some new French invention of the leisure class. Everybody who was not a destitute beggar got out of Paris in August, going SOMEWHERE out in the country, ever since the middle ages. To live in a hot, fetid city full of people and crowded buildings was to invite the plague and heatstroke.

More dysfunction.

With greater dysfunction comes greater and greater law from God, but the original laws, which we have just read from God's mouth, are not repealed:

Man is still commanded to reproduce, increase, fill the land and subdue her. His food is still the animals. He still has to clothe himself. The curse on the soil was removed by God with the Flood, but the need to work to eat remains. Childbirth is still painful and dangerous. The need for medical care remains. And incessant violence, of men against men, of men against animals, of animals against men, of animals against animals, and of tiny creatures, "the life of the land" - bacteria and the life - preying on all large creatures as diseases and parasites. The fallen world does not have the generous and simple economy of the Garden.

It is within the context of a fallen, violent, difficult world that God will create one (and only one) state, give it land, give it all of its laws, and rule it directly: Israel - ancient Israel. Modern Israel calls itself Israel, but it is not the Israel of the Bible. The Israel of the Bible was judged and doomed by Christ and removed forever from the world by the Roman Armies in Christ's generation in fulfillment of that commandment.

The absurd notion that, in the age of the Reign of God through his Son, the heir, it is preposterous to believe that the executed corpse of ancient Israel can be resurrected and the old, God-governed and protected Israel of the Mosaic covenant be restored to a people who refuse to accept the rulership of the Son of God - a fundamental condition for all.

But there are fools who believe that. For them, there is this thread, when we finally get there. God's own mouth will explain to them that for Israel to be blessed, the Israel of the covenant at Sinai, it must follow ALL of the laws of Torah; otherwise it is cursed. And then further on we will see Jesus invoke those final judgment clauses of the Torah and doom Israel to total destruction, and hand over the promise to those who follow God, who are only those who follow HIM and no others. Jews today still reject Christ, and therefore this counterfeit Israel is not blessed, it is in fact still damned and doomed by God, directly in his own words. We will see all of that.

Modern Israel is an idol, not a blessing to anybody. God says it clearly enough. Ancient Israel wasn't destroyed by accident. It was destroyed, three times, by God.

The only way to please God is by doing what he said, and he says explicitly that today the only way to do that is by following Christ. Nothing else. Following the Torah will not do it. God made sure of that by making a complicated ritual in the Torah, a fundamental part of the law, which MUST be followed or doom follows - and it was God himself who utterly removed the Temple AND the priesthood, making it physically IMPOSSIBLE to fufill all of the law of Torah - and thereby making it IMPOSSIBLE to continue to carry out the Sinai Covenant. God said that it ALL had to be followed, or it was all for nought, and HE made it completely impossible to continue to carry out the Sinai Covenant.

Now, it is the Covenant of Christ, or NOTHING. Persisting in Jewish ritual, in Israel, without Christ, is idolatry and defiance of God. God SAID so, and made it manifest by sending the ROmans to destroy the Temple AND, more importantly, the line of the priesthood, permanently rendering it physically impossible to EVER AGAIN carry out the Sinai Covenant. The Sinai Covenant is gone with the wind. The LAW still stands - and it cannot be carried out. And THEREFORE the ONLY covenant that remains to man is the Covenant of Christ. It is THAT, or NOTHING. No "second option".

Israel is an attempt at a second option. It is a defiance of God, in plain sight. Christians should not be enthusiastically supporting an aggressive colonial war in favor of a religious fairy tale, for JESUS pronounced the death sentence on Israel.

All of this is PERFECTLY CLEAR when one reads God's direct words. And it is perfectly obscured by Christians who make up bullshit they like better and substitute their idolatry and stupid ideas and ignorance for what God said.

THAT is why I am going through what God said, word by word, so that "Christians" can argue straight with God. They are not entitled to their own opinions, as Christians, when those opinions conflict directly with what God said. They must either abandon their opinions and submit to every word of God, OR they must leave the faith - because they are not really IN it anyway, they're just deluding themselves.

That's the way it is.

We're not to Christ yet, though.

We're back at the beginning, seeing in short staccato bursts from God how he made a wonderful world, how men marred it, how in particular man marred it by VIOLENCE, and that God specifically drowned the world because of VIOLENCE.

That's what HE said, and he did not say anything else. So, whoever says different is adding to Scripture and challenging God on his own direct words. And is therefore a stupid idiot who should shut his pie hole and submit completely to the direct words of God, and not spout one word of additional fantasy. God SAID why he destroyed the world - and it was not idolatry, and it was not sexual license. It was VIOLENCE. THAT is why.

We had better remember, then, when we start spewing bullshit of how the violence that WE think is ok is ok, that GOD drowned all of humanity except for eight, specifically because of VIOLENCE, and we had better be attentive to the bare handful of cases in which God himself EVER permitted violence after that.

All of it is in his own words. It's all THERE, and people who claim "Bible Alone" had better be willing to SUBMIT to the God who SPEAKS in Bible alone, and stop trying to lie, shuck, jive, and make up idols that let them to do what they want.

After all, we HAVE the example of Israel, once again from God's own mouth, to which he gave ALL THE LAWS, covering EVERYTHING. The Hebrews DID NOT WANT to do all that. Specifically, they wanted laws more congenial to themselves concerning violence, money, sex and religious ritual. So they ignored God and did as they pleased, and then God destroyed them.

So, we have the EXAMPLE of what happens when men don't listen to God and do it there way.

We have that example in Christianity too: it's dying everywhere. Why? Because Christians are violent, greedy hypocrites, that's why. People are not persuaded by their example. And so the faith dies, but the faith that is dying is a counterfeit of what God said.

So, here, we're just cutting through all of the bullshit, and all of the shallow pseudo-intellectual reasoning of men, trying to justify whatever they want to do, and we're just looking at what GOD said, directly, out of his own mouth.

And then we will know what we MUST DO, if we don't want to die.

We will be coming to the example of Israel, and all of the laws of violence and money placed on Israel. This is God ruling a people directly, HIS opinions, for their permanent good. Israel was destroyed because they would not do it. And Christians have destroyed themselves and their religious organizations because they refuse also to obey God's judgment on these things.

But I'm going to tell it straight, straight from God, because God has talked to me, face to face, and what HE says is what he said in that book, straight, and I am tired of Christians yapping their shit-traps, making up lies, saying things that God did not say, saying things that CHALLENGE what God commanded, while claiming to be following God.

If you are not following every word that God said, straight, you are not following God.

And yes, you CAN know every word he said. It's been preserved.

And that is what is in this thread.

I said I was not going to speak as myself, and I've gone ahead and broken that. Because I am a vain, weak and stupid man.

Nevertheless, God is not vain, weak or stupid. He's omniscient, he knows better - and knew better in 4000 BC when he said these words - than all of the Christians and others of our world combined.

If a man has FAITH, he will listen to the words of God, verbatim, and conform everything he believes and thinks to that word, verbatim. And if it seems that that would mean that things he treasures cannot be sustained, then he should see right then and there that the thing he treasures is evil, is bad for him, and he should stop treasuring it and throw it away, and turn full-face to God.

And LISTEN TO HIM.

Now I will shut up and try to restrain myself from doing that again on this thread.

Please DON'T TALK TO ME here.

Please address what GOD said, in HIS words, which are collected here. HE is the one who speaks out of the Scripture. I'm merely compiling it front and center because I am so disgusted by Christian resistance to God that I am ready to hurl.

Instead, I'll repeat what God said, front to back, word for word, in exacting translation.

It IS clear. Those who claim it is not are agents of Satan, seeking to render muddy that which is clear. It's clear and it's hard. Do it as he said, or die. Same deal as always. If you want to live, obey. Otherwise, to hell with you: die.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-23 18:44:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: SOSO (#8)

What need was there for economy of anything?

A little, itsie-bitsie, teeny-weenie consideration called the US Dollar.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-07-23 22:40:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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