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Title: God's Economics In His Own Words
Source: Genesis through Revelation
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Published: Jul 23, 2015
Author: God
Post Date: 2015-07-23 11:41:25 by Vicomte13
Keywords: None
Views: 2615
Comments: 33

The roots of economics: Of natural law, order, energy, the elements, the cosmos, sky-sea-and land, plants, animals and humans, reproduction, food, the serpent, and the tree of knowledge of function and dysfunction; the imposition scarcity, of the need for clothing, and of potential medical needs.

ELOHIYM [the Powers]: "Or [order or light] will exist."

"Day." "Night."

"A sheet will exist in midst of the waters, making separate waters to waters."

"Skies."

"The waters from under the skies will be bound up into one area and the dry ground will be seen."

"Land." "Seas."

"The land will make sprout shoots, stems making sowing seed, produce tree making produce of his kind with his seed in him, upon the land."

"Luminaries will exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make separate between the day and between the night, and they exist to [make] signs and to [make] appointed [times], and to days and years, and the luminaries exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make light upon the land."

"Swarmers will swarm the waters, living beings, and flyers upon the land will much fly upon [the] faces [of the] sheet [of] the skies."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the waters in the seas! And flyers, increase in the land."

"The land will make go out kind[s] of living beings, beasts and treaders, and living land beings [of] their kind[s]."

"We will do human in [the] image [of] us, like the likeness [of] us, and he ruled in fish [of] the sea and in flyers [of] the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all [of] the treader treading upon the land."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the land! And subdue her! Rule in fish [of] the sea and in flyer [of] the skies and in all living treading upon the land."

"Look! I gave all stems sowing seeds that [are] upon [the] faces [of] all the land. And each produce tree[s] that in him sowing seeds; to you [it] will exist for food. And to all living [in] the land, and to all flyer [of] the skies, and to all living treading upon the land: all green stems to food."

YHWH: "You will eat from all tree[s] of the garden. And from [the] tree [of] the discernment [of] functional and dysfunctional - you will not eat from him, given that in [the] day you eat from him: die, you will die."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Not functional is the human [as] a stick {i.e.: a single branch]. I will do to him help, like opposite him."

The woman, quoting Elohiym to the serpent regarding the Tree of Discernment of Function and Dsfunction: "You will not eat from him, and you will not touch him, otherwise you will die."

YHWH: "Where [are] you?"

"Who made face-to-face to you that you [are] naked? From the tree which I did much direct you except from him to eat: you will eat."

"What this did you do?"

"Given that you did do this, spit-upon [are] you from all the beast and from all the living. Upon your belly you will walk and power you will eat all the days of your living. And hostility I will set down between you and between the woman and between your seed and between her seed. He will fall upon your head, and you will fall upon his heel."

"Make increase - I will make increase your (singular) hardship and your (singular) pregnancy; in distressing pain you (singular) will bring forth sons; and to your (singular) man you (singular) [will be] following, and he will regulate in you."

"Given that you hearkened to [the] voice [of] your woman and you will eat from the tree from which I did much direct you, saying you will not eat from him, the ground [is] spitted-upon in your crossing-over; in hardship you (masculine singular) will eat her all days you live. And bramble and thistle she [the land] will make spring up to you, and you ate stem[s] [of] the field. In sweat [of] your noses you (masculine singular) will eat bread until you turn back to the ground, given that you [are] powder and to powder you will turn back."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Though the human existed [a] like one from us, to know functional and dysfunctional, and now otherwise he will send his hand and take also from Tree [of} the Livings and ate and lived to distant time."

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#5. To: All (#0) (Edited)

The first post covered Genesis 1:1 through 3:24. To continue -

Qayin begins the violence in the land by killing Hevel. God finally decides to drown his wind (spirit) from all flesh in the land specifically because of the violence.

YHWH to Qayin (acquired = 'Cain'), regarding Hevel (vanity, whiff = 'Abel'):

"To what (why) did he flare up to you, and why did your faces fall? [Do] not. If you will make do well, lift up. And if you will not make do well, opening to failure [is] stretching out. [He (Abel) is] following you, and you will regulate [rule] in him."

"Where [is] Hevel your brother?"

"What you did do [the] voice of your brother's bloods [is] crying out to me from the ground. And now spitted-upon [are] you from the ground which parted her mouth to take your brother's bloods from your hand. Given that, you will serve the ground [but] she will not make her strength add to you. Staggering and nodding you will exist in the land."

{Note: Qayin did not go "to the land of Nod", he was "staggering and nodding in the land".}

"For (to avoid) this, all killing Qayin, seven times will he be made avenged."

Male and female he (Elohiym) did fatten them, and he will much kneel at them, and he will call out their title "Human" in the day they be fattened. (Gen 5:2)

YHWH: "My wind will not moderate in the human to distant time; he [is] flesh. And his days were one hundred and twenty years." (Gen 6:3)

"I will wipe away the human which I did fatten upon [the] faces [of the] ground, from human[s] to beast to treader and to flyer [of] the skies, so that I am comforted given that I did do (make) them."

ELOHIYM: "[The] conclusion [of] all flesh came to my faces, given that violence filled the land from their faces. Look! I am damaging (destroying) them [from] the land." (Gen 6:13)

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-23   14:04:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#5)

Synopsis so far: WHAT GOD SAID, CREATION TO THE FLOOD (Gen 1:1-6:13) The roots of economics: Of natural law, order, energy, the elements, the cosmos, sky-sea-and land, plants, animals and humans, reproduction, food, the serpent, and the tree of knowledge of function and dysfunction; the imposition scarcity, of the need for clothing, and of potential medical needs. Qayin begins the violence in the land by killing Hevel. God finally decides to drown his wind (spirit) from all flesh in the land specifically because of the violence.

ELOHIYM [the Powers]: "Or [order or light] will exist." "Day." "Night."

"A sheet will exist in midst of the waters, making separate waters to waters." "Skies."

"The waters from under the skies will be bound up into one area and the dry ground will be seen." "Land." "Seas."

"The land will make sprout shoots, stems making sowing seed, produce tree making produce of his kind with his seed in him, upon the land."

"Luminaries will exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make separate between the day and the night, and they exist to [make] signs and to [make] appointed [times], and to days and years, and the luminaries exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make light upon the land."

"Swarmers will swarm the waters, living beings, and flyers upon the land will much fly upon [the] faces [of the] sheet [of] the skies."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the waters in the seas! And flyers, increase in the land."

"The land will make go out kind[s] of living beings, beasts and treaders, and living land beings [of] their kind[s]."

"We will do human in [the] image [of] us, like the likeness [of] us, and he ruled in swimmers [of] the sea and in flyers [of] the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all [of] the treader treading upon the land."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the land! And subdue her! Rule in swimmers [of] the sea and in flyer [of] the skies and in all living treading upon the land."

"Look! I gave all stems sowing seeds that [are] upon [the] faces [of] all the land. And each produce tree[s] that in him sowing seeds; to you [it] will exist for food. And to all living [in] the land, and to all flyer [of] the skies, and to all living treading upon the land: all green stems to food."

YHWH: "You will eat from all tree[s] of the garden. And from [the] tree [of] the discernment [of] functional and dysfunctional - you will not eat from him, given that in [the] day you eat from him: die, you will die."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Not functional is the human [as] a stick {i.e.: a single branch}. I will do to him help, like opposite him."

The woman, quoting Elohiym to the serpent regarding the Tree of Discernment of Function and Dsfunction: "You will not eat from him, and you will not touch him, otherwise you will die."

YHWH: "Where [are] you?"

"Who made face-to-face to you that you [are] naked? From the tree which I did much direct you except from him to eat: you will eat."

"What [is} this you have done?"

"Given that you did do this, spit-upon [are] you from all the beast and from all the living. Upon your belly you will walk and powder you will eat all the days of your living. And hostility I will set down between you and between the woman and between your seed and between her seed. He will fall upon your head, and you will fall upon his heel."

"Make increase - I will make increase your (singular) hardship and your (singular) pregnancy; in distressing pain you (singular) will bring forth sons; and to your (singular) man you (singular) [will be] following, and he will regulate in you."

"Given that you hearkened to [the] voice [of] your woman and you will eat from the tree from which I did much direct you, saying you will not eat from him, the ground [is] spitted-upon in your crossing-over; in hardship you (masculine singular) will eat her all days you live. And bramble and thistle she [the land] will make spring up to you, and you ate stem[s] [of] the field. In sweat [of] your noses you (masculine singular) will eat bread until you turn back to the ground, given that you [are] powder and to powder you will turn back."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Though the human existed like one from us, to know functional and dysfunctional, and now otherwise he will send his hand and take also from Tree [of] the Livings and ate and lived to distant time."

YHWH to Qayin (acquired = 'Cain'), regarding Hevel (vanity, whiff = 'Abel'):

"To what (why) did he flare up to you, and why did your faces fall? [Do] not. If you will make do well, lift up. And if you will not make do well, opening to failure [is] stretching out. [He (Abel) is] following you, and you will regulate [rule] in him."

"Where [is] Hevel your brother?"

"What you did do [the] voice of your brother's bloods [is] crying out to me from the ground. And now spitted-upon [are] you from the ground which parted her mouth to take your brother's bloods from your hand. Given that, you will serve the ground [but] she will not make her strength add to you. Staggering and nodding you will exist in the land."

"For (to avoid) this, all killing Qayin, seven times will he be made avenged."

Male and female he (Elohiym) did fatten them, and he will much kneel at them, and he will call out their title "Human" in the day they be fattened. (Gen 5:2)

YHWH: "My wind will not moderate in the human to distant time; he [is] flesh. And his days were one hundred and twenty years." (Gen 6:3)

"I will wipe away the human which I did fatten upon [the] faces [of the] ground, from human[s] to beast to treader and to flyer [of] the skies, so that I am comforted given that I did do (make) them."

ELOHIYM: "[The] conclusion [of] all flesh came to my faces, given that violence filled the land from their faces. Look! I am damaging (destroying) them [from] the land."

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-23   16:25:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: redleghunter, SOSO, A K A Stone, All (#7)

Sticking for a moment to the words God spoke from creation to the Flood, we find a parallelism. God didn't say much, but what he said stuck, even the order he said it.

The FIRST commandment God gave as Reproduce (repeated for emphasis: Increase!, and repeated yet again "Fill the land!") - the sheer power of the human sex drive was the first thing put into us after life itself.

And when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the forbidden tree, of the knowledge of function and dysfunction, the very first dysfunction that awakened in them was sexual shame: they realized they were naked, they put together makeshift clothing of fig leaves, and they hid from the Creator because they were naked. The first commandment was paralleled by the first dysfunction after the Fall.

The punishment God imposed on Eve was that now her childbearing would be in great pain.

The second commandment was dietary: what to eat. In the Garden, man and woman simply stretched forth their hands to eat the fruit of the trees, as God ordained they should. But once the fall came, God prescribed to Adam that now the ground would be "spat upon" on account of him. Whereas before, every green plant and all of the fruits of the trees were for man's use, in the garden, now the land would not be functional to man. Now thistles and thorns, inedible things, would come from the soil. Now, instead of fruit of the trees, man would eat the shoots and woody stems (herbs) of the ground, and man would have to coax it out of the ground.

What was easy before, and functional, now was dysfunctional.

And with the need for clothing and the need to work for food begins scarcity of resources. In Paradise, resources were not scarce. Man still had a job, and woman beside him: to tend the garden, to rule the animals. This was a pleasant, non-violent task, done naked, in a world of endless food - stretch forth the hand and eat.

But now, dysfunction springs forth. Now, man feels he needs clothing, and now instead of simply eating the fruit of the garden, he must work the land, and it is set against him. Instead of sweet fruit eaten raw, he must work to bring forth woody-stemmed herbs and eat the sprouting grasses like animals, and now he must make them into bread. It's harder. The economy principle of scarcity has entered the world as the result of dysfunction.

And soon enough, dysfunction builds upon dysfunction. For the rulership of the animals still allowed for the ease of eating milk, but Cain killed Abel, not for greed, but out of spite. Dysfunction breeds dysfunction. Violence increases, and God decides to baptize the world, washing it of the shedding of blood, by removing the breath from the nostrils of every land animal, including man, by drowning.

After the Flood, we find God telling Noah that the land is no longer cursed. Thus, we have the archetype of baptism.

In six chapters God's words have been spare, but they carry the weight. And those natural laws God pronounced, and the consequences God ordained for dysfunction, remain the law to this day.

Shame, the scarcity of food, and the potential for human violence driven both by need and by simple spite and wounded pride - and the need to provide for security against that - establish the fundamental particles that underpin economic scarcity and that drive the base of human activity.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-25   21:29:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, A K A Stone, All (#15)

Shame, the scarcity of food, and the potential for human violence driven both by need and by simple spite and wounded pride - and the need to provide for security against that - establish the fundamental particles that underpin economic scarcity and that drive the base of human activity.

Wow, that's some stretch, kinda like a shaggy dog story.

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-25   22:03:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: SOSO (#16)

Shaggy dog story? Shame is spoken of directly: Adam and Eve hid because they were naked. The scarcity of food is spoken of directly: indeed, it is the SENTENCE God imposes on Adam for eating from the tree.

The spite of Cain is spoken of directly. God speaks of it to him, tells him not to be so crestfallen and angry, to buck up, and Abel will follow him. Instead, Cain goes right out and kills Hevel.

Shame, scarcity and violence from spite. No shaggy dog story there, no "stretch" - it's right THERE is the very words of Scripture.

This is the problem in a nutshell: Scripture can say something directly, and men will deny that's what it says and substitute their own desires for it.

It's why Christianity is fading everywhere: the dishonesty of men.

Anyway, God said what he said, and what he said was sparing in terms of words, and clear as a bell. There isn't anything ambiguous in what he said so far. I'm going to quote him again, in totum and in order, and then move on to the next thing he says.

The roots of the economy of the world are contained in the few spare words God said in the first six chapters of Genesis: food, clothing, reproduction and the rising potential for violence from spite: these are the very things that drive the bulk of human activity and expenditure.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-26   16:05:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#22)

What God said, so far:

ELOHIYM [the Powers]: "Or [order or light] will exist." "Day." "Night."

"A sheet will exist in midst of the waters, making separate waters to waters." "Skies."

"The waters from under the skies will be bound up into one area and the dry ground will be seen." "Land." "Seas."

"The land will make sprout shoots, stems making sowing seed, produce tree making produce of his kind with his seed in him, upon the land."

"Luminaries will exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make separate between the day and the night, and they exist to [make] signs and to [make] appointed [times], and to days and years, and the luminaries exist in [the] sheet [of] the skies to make light upon the land."

"Swarmers will swarm the waters, living beings, and flyers upon the land will much fly upon [the] faces [of the] sheet [of] the skies."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the waters in the seas! And flyers, increase in the land."

"The land will make go out kind[s] of living beings, beasts and treaders, and living land beings [of] their kind[s]."

"We will do human in [the] image [of] us, like the likeness [of] us, and he ruled in swimmers [of] the sea and in flyers [of] the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all [of] the treader treading upon the land."

"Reproduce! And increase! And fill the land! And subdue her! Rule in swimmers [of] the sea and in flyer [of] the skies and in all living treading upon the land."

"Look! I gave all stems sowing seeds that [are] upon [the] faces [of] all the land. And each produce tree[s] that in him sowing seeds; to you [it] will exist for food. And to all living [in] the land, and to all flyer [of] the skies, and to all living treading upon the land: all green stems to food."

YHWH: "You will eat from all tree[s] of the garden. And from [the] tree [of] the discernment [of] functional and dysfunctional - you will not eat from him, given that in [the] day you eat from him: die, you will die."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Not functional is the human [as] a stick {i.e.: a single branch}. I will do to him help, like opposite him."

The woman, quoting Elohiym to the serpent regarding the Tree of Discernment of Function and Dsfunction: "You will not eat from him, and you will not touch him, otherwise you will die."

YHWH: "Where [are] you?"

"Who made face-to-face to you that you [are] naked? From the tree which I did much direct you except from him to eat: you will eat."

"What [is} this you have done?"

"Given that you did do this, spit-upon [are] you from all the beast and from all the living. Upon your belly you will walk and powder you will eat all the days of your living. And hostility I will set down between you and between the woman and between your seed and between her seed. He will fall upon your head, and you will fall upon his heel."

"Make increase - I will make increase your (singular) hardship and your (singular) pregnancy; in distressing pain you (singular) will bring forth sons; and to your (singular) man you (singular) [will be] following, and he will regulate in you."

"Given that you hearkened to [the] voice [of] your woman and you will eat from the tree from which I did much direct you, saying you will not eat from him, the ground [is] spitted-upon in your crossing-over; in hardship you (masculine singular) will eat her all days you live. And bramble and thistle she [the land] will make spring up to you, and you ate stem[s] [of] the field. In sweat [of] your noses you (masculine singular) will eat bread until you turn back to the ground, given that you [are] powder and to powder you will turn back."

YHWH ELOHIYM: "Though the human existed like one from us, to know functional and dysfunctional, and now otherwise he will send his hand and take also from Tree [of] the Livings and ate and lived to distant time."

YHWH to Qayin (acquired = 'Cain'), regarding Hevel (vanity, whiff = 'Abel'):

"To what (why) did he flare up to you, and why did your faces fall? [Do] not. If you will make do well, lift up. And if you will not make do well, opening to failure [is] stretching out. [He (Abel) is] following you, and you will regulate [rule] in him."

"Where [is] Hevel your brother?"

"What you did do [the] voice of your brother's bloods [is] crying out to me from the ground. And now spitted-upon [are] you from the ground which parted her mouth to take your brother's bloods from your hand. Given that, you will serve the ground [but] she will not make her strength add to you. Staggering and nodding you will exist in the land."

"For (to avoid) this, all killing Qayin, seven times will he be made avenged."

Male and female he (Elohiym) did fatten them, and he will much kneel at them, and he will call out their title "Human" in the day they be fattened. (Gen 5:2)

YHWH: "My wind will not moderate in the human to distant time; he [is] flesh. And his days were one hundred and twenty years." (Gen 6:3)

"I will wipe away the human which I did fatten upon [the] faces [of the] ground, from human[s] to beast to treader and to flyer [of] the skies, so that I am comforted given that I did do (make) them."

ELOHIYM: "[The] conclusion [of] all flesh came to my faces, given that violence filled the land from their faces. Look! I am damaging (destroying) them [from] the land."

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-26   16:07:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)

I haven't seen any economics in this thred.

No answers to any questions.

Just you cutting and pasting. And correcting what is said to be Gods word.

The thread is not as advertised.

I'll get back to you if you ever respond to what Pastor Butch said. I'll go with Pastor Butch as you can't refute anything he says.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-07-26   16:14:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)

You go with Pastor Butch. I haven't listened to him. I've been focused on what I said I was going to focus on, and on life off the Board, and I'll stay focused on it.

I'm about to move to Noah's Ark, which is the next thing God says.

The words that God says are fundamental.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-26   20:20:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

You go with Pastor Butch. I haven't listened to him.

God put it on my heart to make sure you listen to the complete audio.

He said he doesn't want you to be willingly ignorant.

Just relaying what God put on my heart.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-07-26   20:26:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Ok, I listened. I agree with almost everything that he said. The place where he deviates a bit from reality is in insisting on the English meanings of the word "Day", and "Light" (and also "Darkness", by implication). and thereby forcing, in effect, a 24-hour day on the word "day".

So now let's clear that up.

First, he's right that the geological ages as described by scientific theory do not line up with the Genesis record. He's right that evolution does not explain the origins of life. He's right that the "General Catacyclsm" theory not only doesn't work as a matter of the fossil record, but also doesn't work on the Biblical record either.

He's right overall: Genesis DOES describe the origins of the world, through specific creation in a relatively short period of time.

He's an intelligent man who teaches much truth, and means to teach the whole truth. It's a shame that I could not sit down with him privately and show him the missing pieces of his understanding, that make it all much clearer. The missing pieces are found in the text itself, not simply in the Hebrew words, but in the pictographic sentences that form those words.

He mentions the writing system of the Chaldeans/Babylonians. Yes, they had a writing system. But the Bible was not written in that system. It was, instead, written using the Old Canaanitic/Phoenician pictographs, which were themselves derived from the Egyptian hieroglyphs. This is important, for each letter of a pictographic word is not a phonetic letter (although it CAN be). Rather, each letter is ITSELF a word, and the "words" formed by the pictographs are themselves in fact sentences.

The thing about Genesis which renders it an utter miracle in the Creation account is that the pictographic sentences that comprise each word of surface Hebrew themselves give a great deal of data about what is going on. The writing is a holographic fractal. When we read in translation words like "Day" and "Light", we see very simple concepts. In the Hebrew, however, these are not simply words (which mean more than just "day" and "light" - they are words that are first used BEFORE God specifically defines them, and they are words themselves composed of pictographs which form a sentence, and which describe what is going on.

A single example. The first word of the Bible, "Bereshiyt", is traditionally translated as "in the beginning", but it doesn't really mean that. It is, as a stand alone word, more like the word "Capitulo" at the top of a chapter heading. And the word ITSELF is composed of pictographs which, when read as a sentence, read "In head God divided in two pointing to the Cross". The word "God" contained in the word is a pictographic singular, El, but when the word "God" first appears as a separate word, it is as "Elohiym", a plural.

In other words, within the "Beginning" and before time unravels, the very first word of the Bible states the begetting of the Son by El, the Father. It's right there, in plain sight, to those who read Hebrew pictographs. Which is pretty much nobody. The Hebrew letters of the post-Babylonian captivity are stylized Aramaic letters, and no longer the pictographs. Jews do not read the pictographs, or even know they ARE pictographs. Our letters are derived from these also, and WE don't know they are pictographs.

Yet, they are. And in those pictographs we see what "light", and "day" meant, and we see the original conditions. Genesis doesn't start or read the way that the pastor thinks it does, exactly. The "Day- Epock" theory is right, in a sense, though the days are of indeterminate length.

Likewise the word we translate as "light" is "Or", and it means order. "Day" is a period of "or" - which can be both simple light, but also a period of order. "Good" and "evil" are not there, what is there is function (ordered-ness) and dysfunction (disorder, chaos, entropy, tending back towards the "mem", which can be waters, but before so defined, "waters' is a chaos of matter and not simply H2O.

It's not particularly confusing, really. We could go through it.

When the words are read right, theology changes only slightly. The most important word that really does make a theological difference is the word that we translate as "forever". It is not "forever". It is "to a distant/unknown time". And that really DOES make a difference. The fact is that God never promises the land to the Hebrews "forever". He only promises it "to a distant time", based on their good behavior. This is so very clear from the text, and from what actually HAPPENS to them.

The problem with reading "forever" where it does not appear, is that then you end up with a strange apparatus of trying to hold TWO covenants operant at the same time…that Jesus is for the world, but if one were a Jew and followed the Law perfectly, that that too would guarantee things under the Mosaic covenant, because "forever". Except that "forever" is not there.

So, it is important to get this right. And it does affect economics.

Consider how much energy is spent by Christians trying to uphold the concept of a reconstituted Israel "because 'forever'", when not only is forever not there in the text, but what IS in the text is the final judgment, by God, on Israel of the covenant, and the annunciation of a new and everlasting covenant, which is the ONLY way to the Father. Getting "forever" wrong leads to spending billions trying to raise a dead corpse that God Himself killed.

Of course, that comes much later, and we can stick to Genesis for now and move forward. Still, little nuances in Genesis make a great deal of difference later.

Thanks for having me listen to that lecturer. He was good.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-28   2:19:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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