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Title: Trump to Iowa evangelicals: I’m not sure I’ve ever asked God for forgiveness
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Published: Jul 20, 2015
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2015-07-21 01:53:29 by Tooconservative
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Take it from an atheist: Even an atheist could have faked a better answer than this. How is it that this guy, with all his billions, didn’t think to hire anyone to teach him to lie convincingly about faith when addressing an audience of Christian conservatives, the key to winning the Iowa caucuses? He should have called the White House. They could have hooked him up with whoever coached Obama on his fake opposition to gay marriage in 2008. Byron York and the NYT are right that this answer will end up damaging Trump more than his shot at McCain’s war service will. Watch the clip. The bit about him drinking his “little wine” and having his “little cracker” at church is … not Huckabean, shall we say, although I think it’s the second half of the vid that’s more revealing. (The very end includes his bit about McCain, which the video’s editor tacked on for whatever reason.) Luntz tosses him the softest of softballs — “what is your relationship with God?” — and Trump can’t help answering in terms of his personal success, presumably because that’s his yardstick for everything in life. God’s blessed him with an intellect capable of generating some of the great deals in business history; that’s evidence that their relationship’s pretty good, no? Luntz’s question very obviously cries out for the opposite answer, that riches and personal success mean nothing without grace and deep communion with the Almighty. He does note that he prays, but like I say, watch the clip. The mystery here is whether Trump simply misjudged his audience (in Iowa, at a forum devoted to family?) or he’s convinced himself that being his honest, unfiltered self is the key to ultimate victory. This will test that theory better than the McCain thing will. A rival campaign strategist told York he doesn’t expect Trump to lose support for this so much as he thinks it’ll lower his ceiling in the state. If you’re an evangelical tea partier trying to decide between Trump and, say, Scott Walker or Ted Cruz, this’ll tip the scale towards the latter. A senior Iowa Republican who was in the room, sitting with a group of grassroots activists as Trump spoke, was dumbfounded by the candidate’s views of religion. “While there were audible groans in the crowd when Trump questioned whether McCain was a war hero,” the senior Republican said via email, “it was Trump’s inability to articulate any coherent relationship with God or demonstrate the role faith plays in his life that really sucked the oxygen out of the room.”
The senior Republican continued: “Milling around talking to activists in the hallways/lobby after Trump’s speech, THAT is what those Iowa conservatives were discussing, not the McCain comment.”…
“Trump’s performance was really a one-two punch,” the Republican said. “His McCain comment gave free license to other candidates and the national political class to attack. His failure to demonstrate even the most rudimentary understanding of leading a faith-filled life will be his ultimate undoing with Iowa’s Christian conservative activists. Especially in a field with such credible alternatives.”
Poster Comment:
Elsewhere, Ace observes: "He eventually grabs at an answer -- that "drinking the little wine" and "eating the little cracker" constitute, maybe, an asking of forgiveness from God. He doesn't sound very sure of that (I don't know either way myself), but has already, by then repeatedly said he doesn't even think to ask God for forgiveness. So if the "drinking of the little" wine is such a request, it is only inadvertent, accidental, and symbolic."
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Trump to Iowa evangelicals: I’m not sure I’ve ever asked God for forgiveness
I don't. The question is, can I forgive myself for my imperfection and mistakes.
#2. To: TooConservative, liberator, tomder55, CZ82 (#0) (Edited)
For each lucid response from Trump, a host of head scratching responses follow.
The only difference between Trump and Uncle Joe Biden is the occasional lucid remark concerning illegal immigrants:)
Verbal projectile diarrhea is unsustainable in Presidential politics. The good folks like to hear things as they are warts and all but now and then appreciate the use of some Immodium AD:) Frankly Trump will flame out before October. His main contribution will be to expose many of the clowns running for the GOP. If he can nick Lady Lindsey and Jeb from the race, mission complete.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
#3. To: rlk, redleghunter (#1)
I don't. The question is, can I forgive myself for my imperfection and mistakes.
Regardless of the merits of forgiving yourself, the most central tenet of Christianity is forgiveness from God for sins.
Trump seems totally unaware of the concept.
If you don't need forgiveness, you don't need Christ.
#4. To: redleghunter (#2)
For each lucid response from Trump, a host of head scratching responses follow.
You almost think he's joking but then you realize he's serious. At least, as serious as he can be in his little Donald Trump World.
#5. To: TooConservative redleghunter, liberator, CZ82 (#0)
"drinking the little wine" and "eating the little cracker"
if only it were that simple .... Trump's god is $$$$$$$$$$$$$. He prays to that diety on a daily basis .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#6. To: tomder55 (#5)
"drinking the little wine" and "eating the little cracker"
Kind of diminishes the whole "This do in remembrance of Me.", doesn't it?
#7. To: redleghunter, TooConservative, liberator, tomder55, A K A Stone (#2) (Edited)
Verbal projectile diarrhea is unsustainable in Presidential politics.
I guess it all depends on what type it is, looks at all of the idiots this country has elected in the last 30 years.
Voters nowadays seem to fall for glitz, glamour, handouts and bullschitt!! Substance, what's that??
People can say Sean Hannity is an idiot but he was the very first person to nail Obozo for what he truly was, and everybody ignored what he said...
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#8. To: redleghunter, TooConservative, tomder55, CZ82, Stoner, Don, Bob Celeste, GarySpFc, Vicomte13, Deckard, rlk (#2) (Edited)
For each lucid response from Trump, a host of head scratching responses follow.The only difference between Trump and Uncle Joe Biden is the occasional lucid remark concerning illegal immigrants:)
It's not really a surprise to much of us that Donald Trump is not a Christian. I would argue that most of our last several Presidents have NOT been Christian by deed:
0blabla, Dubya Bush (NO Christian IMO), Bubba Klintoon, Poppy Bush, Nixon, LBJ, Ike, FDR... The only one with any surety I believed was a Christian was Reagan. Of course, I could be wrong, but again, the evidence suggests otherwise.
Of the current crop of candidates on both sides of the aisle, you'd be hard-pressed to find a Christian candidate other than Cruz, Santorum, and Huck. The rest? Really -- who knows? Politics and Power is their "religion."
Where I believe Trump is doing "God's work" is in courageously tearing off all the masks of the phony players and exposing decades of lies and charades of a political Kabuki Theater that MOCK and obliterate the Judeo-Christian morals and ethics and traditions and heritage of the Founders'. As John Adams wrote, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Today, America is a Banana Republic, its government AND institutions awash in immorality.
For what it's worth, that Trumps has focused on the un-constitutional illegal invasion/amnesty issue is no small issue -- legalizing 50 million Mexican and Third World flotsam and jetsam amongst the electoral destroy this Republic. Supporting this policy is Treason. Trump has also attacked the the establishment pols for their conspiratorial, collaborative negligence in the treatment of vets. He's also questioned the loyalty and integrity of ALL our legislator and politicians, focusing on their malfeasance of policies that have destroyed and outsourced American jobs, industry, and factories. For this, the GOPe in particular warrants a special ire.
#9. To: Liberator (#8)
For what it's worth, that Trumps has focused on the un-constitutional illegal invasion/amnesty issue is no small issue -- legalizing 50 million Mexican and Third World flotsam and jetsam amongst the electoral destroy this Republic. Supporting this policy is Treason.
And when Trump fades off into the sunset the MSM will just say "See we tried to tell you he was full of schitt, we have no illegal immigrant problems".
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#10. To: TooConservative, rlk, redleghunter (#3)
Regardless of the merits of forgiving yourself, the most central tenet of Christianity is forgiveness from God for sins.Trump seems totally unaware of the concept.
If you don't need forgiveness, you don't need Christ.
Trump may be aware of the tents of Christianity, but is indifferent. NOT as bright as his thinks he is on that front.
That may change, but for the moment Trump is a man who may respect believers but obviously is no man of God. BUT, loves America, and at the moment appears to be fighting to preserve the Republic.
#11. To: CZ82 (#9)
And when Trump fades off into the sunset the MSM will just say "See we tried to tell you he was full of schitt, we have no illegal immigrant problems".
Yeah. Not only that, they will do all they can to destroy his life and reputation.
Meanwhile, Jose will be knocking on your door, "Yo soy de El Goobermento. Donde esta su los papeles, stupido Gringo??"
#12. To: redleghunter (#2)
Rats!
I can't vote for Trump now.
And I won't vote for myself.
(I don't want the job.)
Guess I won't vote.
#13. To: tomder55, TooConservative redleghunter, CZ82 (#5)
if only it were that simple .... Trump's god is $$$$$$$$$$$$$. He prays to that diety on a daily basis .
Fine.
But....who are McCain, Perry, Jeb, and Hitlery praying to??
#14. To: Chuck_Wagon (#12) (Edited)
Guess I won't vote.
Some computerized voting machine in Portugal will tabulate vote FOR you, Chuck. Just as in the last "election." The BIG question -- who will your dog vote for??
#15. To: Liberator (#13)
Fine.But....who are McCain, Perry, Jeb, and Hitlery praying to??
The same, but Trump makes more.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#16. To: TooConservative, tomder55, redleghunter (#6)
Kind of diminishes the whole "This do in remembrance of Me.", doesn't it?
I believe most of the candidates and Congress have already been doing shots of Old Grandad with their staffers, "This do in remembrance of Me."
#17. To: Liberator (#11)
Yeah. Not only that, they will do all they can to destroy his life and reputation.
Yea but he has enough money that he could make their lives hell.
You know maybe he should leverage one of the big MSM outlets and replace all the idiot reporters with competent ones, that would piss off the NWO to no end. LOL!
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€
#18. To: TooConservative (#3)
Are there any Christians running for President? Trump is running for the Oval Office, not religious leader of the year. His opponents all seem to be part of the standard clique. Anyone who isn't a member of the club won't be allowed to be on the ballot. The voters all do their duty by voting for the machine and going home to keep their mouth shut.
#19. To: CZ82, redleghunter, TooConservative, tomder55, A K A Stone, rlk (#7)
People can say Sean Hannity is an idiot but he was the very first person to nail Obozo for what he truly was, and everybody ignored what he said...
Excellent point.
6 1/2 years later the Left is still in denial (OR aboard on the destruction of the late great, white, heterosexual, masculine constitutional USA.)
HERE IS AN ACTUAL PORTION OF A GROUP EMAIL I JUST RECEIVED FROM CHILDHOOD FRIEND (very shaky status) WHO IS TEACHING MUSHY YOUNG MINDS TOXIC MATERIAL AT RUTGER U. AS A POLY-SCI "PROFESSOR":
"....Anything that threatens the status quo of a white, heterosexual, Christian, conservative, male power structure needs to be condemned, and hopefully destroyed."
Have any of you a proper rebuttal? I have a few ideas ;-)
#20. To: CZ82 (#17)
Yea but he has enough money that he could make their lives hell.You know maybe he should leverage one of the big MSM outlets and replace all the idiot reporters with competent ones, that would piss off the NWO to no end. LOL!
That's true, isn't it? Trump can buy off his OWN "Reporters." Heck -- he can even buy his own news outlet and then really expose the weasels.
#21. To: Liberator (#14)
... who will your dog vote for?
Does not matter. I no longer have a dog.
But I should probably get a new one to drive away all
of these dang stray cats. Situation is out of control.
#22. To: Liberator (#10) (Edited)
Trump may be aware of the tents of Christianity, but is indifferent. NOT as bright as his thinks he is on that front.That may change, but for the moment Trump is a man who may respect believers but obviously is no man of God.
I doubt he has any respect for believers. He'll pander to them just like any other politician.
The unbridled arrogance of this carnival barker is breathtaking.
He is right about the border/illegal alien issue, but not much else.
His god is money.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#23. To: Liberator (#10) (Edited)
Trump may be aware of the tents of Christianity, but is indifferent. NOT as bright as his thinks he is on that front.
About the kindest way you could describe it.
But it shows a Trump weakness. In retail politics, you only get so many auditions before the public rains on your parade. This little episode with Trump shows he will just wade into a sensitive topic and trample it before he thinks through what he says. As with his McStain POW remarks.
These are Trump's unforced errors. They accumulate. At a certain number of these flubs, the public votes you off the island.
#24. To: Don (#18)
Are there any Christians running for President? Trump is running for the Oval Office, not religious leader of the year. His opponents all seem to be part of the standard clique. Anyone who isn't a member of the club won't be allowed to be on the ballot. The voters all do their duty by voting for the machine and going home to keep their mouth shut.
I dunno. The others seem more consistent. Pataki is the least religious but they all seem to know and understand the fundamentals of Christian doctrine. Even Pataki wouldn't really wade into this topic the way Trump did.
I'm surprised you think nothing of Trump's attitude toward Christianity and the entire tone of his comments.
#25. To: Deckard (#22)
I shall observe Trump, but I question EVERYTHING you post.
And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6
#26. To: TooConservative (#24)
Trump 2016. He isn't going anywhere.
It is the nonmination or hopefully third party.
So take your establishment pukes and shove them up your ass. All of them. Well except one.
#27. To: GarySpFC (#25)
I shall observe Trump, but I question EVERYTHING you post.
That certainly is your right as an insurance salesman who poses as an "expert" in demolitions and believes every official fairy tale spewed by fed.gov and the MSM.
As far as Trump goes, your really aren't considering that arrogant, money-worshiping wannabe dictator as a presidential candidate, are you?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#28. To: TooConservative (#3)
Regardless of the merits of forgiving yourself, the most central tenet of Christianity is forgiveness from God for sins.
Such a central tenet...'Books' have been written on it.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
#29. To: TooConservative (#4)
You almost think he's joking but then you realize he's serious. At least, as serious as he can be in his little Donald Trump World.
The GOP field deserves a raw, rude New Yawker. If anything Trump will expose what most of us know already to a wider swath of America...That Lady Lindsey, Jeb et al. have been in the bag for Obolo and the Clintoons for close to two decades now.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
#30. To: redleghunter (#28)
Such a central tenet...'Books' have been written on it.
I'm pretty certain I've heard the topic mentioned at some length several times in a church building.
#31. To: redleghunter (#29)
Trump isn't perfect no one is.
Who is going to get the job done?
Which will close the border? None
Which will shrink the government? None.
Trump is the only one who will shake up the government and expose the crimes. Christian or not.
Perry is a joke.
Christie is a lib pos.
John Ellis Bush is a joke and a traitor
Rand Paul is on the drug thing
Ted Cruz is a long shot and I'll vote for him if he has a chance
Lindesy Graham is a faggot.
Scott Walker can't even convince his family that gay marriage is wrong, so how can he convince America.
Bobby Jindle is an honorable man but probably isn't going anywhere, Not enough support.
John Kasich is a wall street sell out.
Donald Trump is a man who gets things done. He is what we need.
Can you tell us a better candidate?
#32. To: TooConservative (#4)
"You almost think he's joking but then you realize he's serious."
Perhaps the word you're looking for is "honest".
Here we have a guy, standing in frot of a political voting bloc, and he doesn't pander to them by telling them what they want to hear. That makes him a joke?
I don't care if he worships the devil, as long as he protects MY right to exercise my religious freedoms.
#33. To: TooConservative (#0)
Seems to me that Trump was completely honest. He was asked about religion, and he answered it directly with what he thinks.
What you see as an "error" (because retail politicians are supposed to tell the public what they want to hear) I see as more evidence that he's a straight shooter. He says what he really thinks, and acts on it.
That is what is important to me: actions, deeds. Spoken words are deeds: they're the deeds done in answer to a question. Trump was asked a question and he answered it straight.
I appreciate that in the man.
It makes me more likely to vote for him.
When men rhapsodize about doctrinally pure Christianity, but then do not behave in doctrinally pure ways, when they compromise on what they say is their highest morality and belief in God, then I really look at them with a jaundiced eye.
But Trump's form of Christianity is pretty easygoing and straightforward. It is not correct in fact - he's a Protestant, after all - but his behavior squares with what he believes.
That makes him PREDICTABLE. And predictability is very, very good (and rare) in a political leader. It means that when he says something, you can expect he'll do it.
If, for example, you're an investor looking to get into a Trump project, you know from his long record that he will use all of the laws, including the full suite of bankruptcy laws, to advance his mission. He's there to make money on a project, taking shots on goal. If it works, great - you win and he wins. But if bad luck intervenes and things are not working and lawsuits intervene, you know that he is going to be a dogged, tenacious, experienced bargainer in bankruptcy, and that he's probably going to walk away as well off as anybody ever does out of bankruptcy.
So you factor that in when you're dealing with him. You either pore over the bankruptcy, control and indemnification clauses and seek to add language that is more protective of you, or you take the risk "as is" and hope the project does well, or you don't invest with him.
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#33)
What you see as an "error" (because retail politicians are supposed to tell the public what they want to hear) I see as more evidence that he's a straight shooter. He says what he really thinks, and acts on it.
I was thinking the same thing.
Remember TC prefers Bush to Trump. Probably prefers Hillary to Trump also.
#35. To: TooConservative (#3) (Edited)
If you don't need forgiveness, you don't need Christ.
That's fine. I don't want any part of him. Everything built around around him is filled with repulsive morbidity, neuroticism, ignorance, primitive superstition, and demands compliance as the alternative to continual thinly veiled threats about sending you to hell in an afterlife.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#34)
Remember TC prefers Bush to Trump. Probably prefers Hillary to Trump also.
I don't know TC personally, but I'm pretty sure from communicating with him over the years that he doesn't prefer Hillary to Trump.
I see TC as being quite loyal to his vision of the Republican Party. His vision of the Republican Party doesn't square with the actual Republican Party's deeds, but he's still loyal.
He'll never support Hillary.
#37. To: rlk, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#35)
If you don't need forgiveness, you don't need Christ.That's fine. I don't want any part of him. Everything built around around him is filled with repulsive morbidity, neuroticism, ignorance, primitive superstition, and thinly veiled threats.
Better watch it, sneakypete got banned for such blasphemy.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts#38. To: Vicomte13 (#36)
He'll never support Hillary.
I'd be a stay-home rather than vote for her. Probably about the same with Bush. I didn't like the last two Bushes and only voted for a Bush in 2000 when Gore seemed such a wacky disaster.
I'm far less a loyal Republican than you imagine.
#39. To: TooConservative (#0)
Take it from an atheist: Even an atheist could have faked a better answer than this. How is it that this guy, with all his billions, didn’t think to hire anyone to teach him to lie convincingly about faith when addressing an audience of Christian conservatives,
Why should he lie?
There are a number of reasons, I and other Evangelicals are supporting Donald Trump, I will not go into them at this time, but, his lying will not help him with evangelicals, only those who claim to be Christians but are really of the synagogue of satan.
#40. To: Deckard (#37)
If you don't need forgiveness, you don't need Christ.That's fine. I don't want any part of him. Everything built around around him is filled with repulsive morbidity, neuroticism, ignorance, primitive superstition, and thinly veiled threats.
Better watch it, sneakypete got banned for such blasphemy.
I've been banned before. I got expelled from FreeRepublic for saying Bush was a drunken asshole.
#41. To: rlk (#40)
I got expelled from FreeRepublic for saying Bush was a drunken asshole.
I got banned from FR for writing something like 'Was putting up with Clinton worth it to get rid of Bush? Yes. Yes it was.'
I was right then. Still am.
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