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Title: John Mccain Exposed By Vietnam Vets And Pows
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hr37eE0nO8&feature=youtu.be
Published: Jul 18, 2015
Author: iwsou
Post Date: 2015-07-18 23:33:56 by out damned spot
Keywords: McCain, Pows, vets
Views: 6108
Comments: 16
Poster Comment: John McCain betrayed his fellow POWs.
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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)
McClown is running for his apparently 108th term in the US Senate. (OK, I exaggerate) Mark Levin on Friday interviewed Kelli Ward who is going to challenge the good Senator. It would be nice if the people of AZ woke up and sent this clown into retirement, but expect Hades to freeze over first.
He tore up an air craft carrier too. Pilots used to have a spirited joke where they injected fuel into their engines and shot fire out the back. McCain pulled it and set fire to the planes and pilots waiting for takeoff in back of him producing enormous damage. Had he not been a admiral's kid, he would have been sentenced to time in barbed wire village. As it was, he was merely transferred to another carrier.
B-1 Bob a true American loving patriot, thrown under the bus by Newt Gingrich and the Ne0-clowns. Loved that man, what was done to him with illegal votes and Republican complicity was what turned me from the Right, to the RIGHT.
Here is Bob Dornan at 14.
There are emails floating around that the Forrestal fire started when McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. Here is one account of the incident: /snip/ At about 10:50 (local time) on 29 July, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made, an unguided 5.0 in (127.0 mm) Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in an LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on an F- 4B Phantom II (believed to be aircraft No. 110 from VF-11, accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external to internal power. The surge, and a missing rocket safety pin, which would have prevented the fail surge, as well as a decision to plug in the "pigtail" system early to increase the number of takeoffs from the carrier, allowed the rocket to launch. (see below). The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on an A-4E Skyhawk awaiting launch, aircraft No. 405 fromVA-46, piloted by Lieutenant Commander Fred D. White. The Zuni rocket's warhead safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of escaping JP-5 fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration. Within seconds, other external fuel tanks on White's aircraft overheated and ruptured, releasing more jet fuel to feed the flames, which began spreading along the flight deck. The impact of the rocket had also dislodged two of the 1000-lb AN-M65 bombs, which fell to the deck, and lay in the pool of burning fuel between White's aircraft and that of Lieutenant Commander John McCain. Damage Control Team No. 8 swung into action immediately, and Chief Gerald Farrier, recognizing the risk, and without the benefit of protective clothing, immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. The pilots, still strapped into their aircraft, were immediately aware that a disaster was unfolding, but only some were able to escape in time. McCain, pilot of A-4 Skyhawk side No. 416, next to White's, was among the first to notice the flames, and escaped by scrambling down the nose of his A-4 and jumping off the refueling probe shortly before the explosions began. /snip/ Another account of the incident: /snip/ The Forrestal Disaster, July 29, 1967 At the time of this incident Lt. Cdr. McCain already had flown several bombing missions over North Vietnam from the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal. As he was in his A-4 Skyhawk, loaded with two, 1,000-pound bombs and waiting on the carrier deck for his turn to launch, a Zuni missile accidentally fired from another aircraft, swooshed across the carrier deck and struck either McCain's plane or one next to it. That triggered a fire and a series of bomb and missile explosions that killed 134 sailors. McCain himself barely escaped alive. He quickly leaped from his plane into the pool of burning jet fuel that immediately surrounded him. About 90 seconds later he was blown 15 feet back when the first bomb “cooked off” and exploded, killing several nearby firefighters. James M. Caiella has written a scholarly article about the disaster, which appeared in the Fall 2003 issue of Foundation magazine, a publication of the National Naval Aviation Museum, located in Pensacola, Fla. Caiella, who is now associate editor of Proceedings and Naval History magazines, published by the U.S. Naval Institute in Annapolis, generously shared with us copies of some key documents which he obtained from the Navy under the Freedom of Information Act. They include a typed transcript of the sworn testimony that McCain gave less than two weeks after the disaster, on Aug. 5, 1967, and also a written statement he submitted prior to his testimony, describing the first moments of the disaster: McCain, 1967 statement: I heard a loud explosion and immediate fire all around the airplane . . . Smoke and flame were around the cockpit so I unstrapped . . . and unplugged my oxygen hose, keeping my visor down. I looked to the aft of the airplane and saw nothing but flame and I could see burning fuel in front and around the airplane but it did not look too bad to the forward. I opened the canopy and walked out on the refueling probe and jumped from the end of it, landing just on the edge of the fire and rolled clear. McCain said that he rushed to help another pilot who had gotten out of his plane and had jumped into the flames and rolled clear, but was still on fire. That first bomb explosion was 90 seconds into the fire. Soon it ignited other bombs and other missiles. Later, on the hangar deck below the main flight deck, McCain said he and another officer, along with “a lot of fine enlisted men,” pushed several bomb carts overboard to keep them away from flaming fuel that was curling down from above. He later “noticed that I had a hole below my left knee with some metal in it, and two small shrapnel cuts in my thigh and shoulder.” The Forrestal was badly damaged and put out of action for two years. A little more than a month after the disaster, McCain was flying missions from another carrier, the USS Oriskany. /snip/
While it is fun and fitting to despise McStain politically, I think blaming him for Forrestal is kinda phony. I've never seen credible proof that he was doing anything in his plane while awaiting his launch. After Stain opposed doing anything more to account for MIA/POWs back in the early Nineties, this Forrestal incident got dragged out to try to blame him for it. Just because we hate him as a slimy pol doesn't mean he was the cause of a bad accident on a carrier.
Exactly! Enough truth can be said about him, there is no need to spread malicious unfounded rumors. Edit Add: It is amazing how some will lock onto the first thing they read and want to believe….then spread it without ever fact checking to find it is completely wrong. If someone is bad, then there are enough facts out there to present and unfounded rumors are therefore not needed.
I don't think McCain was responsible for the Forrestal. I remember his fellow POWs talking about his service though. He betrayed the entire Navy pacific fleet by giving the Cong their modus operandi. That I mind. They sacrificed to help McCane and he sold them down the drain. Also, his injuries were not torture. They were ejection injuries because didn't follow proper procedure taught by the Navy. Hopefully, some of his fellow POWs are sti In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
Trump actually said the opposite of what the Post lead sentence and video caption claim. The Post might have been able to get away stating that Trump “implied” McCain was not a war hero because McCain was captured, but even that would have been a subjective interpretation since Trump had actually stated the opposite. It’s true that Trump stated one time that McCain is not a war hero. But Trump stated four times that McCain is a war hero–and that was not accurately characterized in the article. For interpreting and characterizing Trump’s true quote in a way that is at best questionable, and for selectively using some quotes and leaving others out, the Post receives Two Little Devils. (Ratings scale at end of article.) TWITTER: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1m1 minute ago Wow, @SharylAttkisson just wrote the definitive piece on what I said about John McCain. https://sharylattkisson.com/fact-check-the-washington- post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain/ In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
You are correct. What a shame. I will never forgive Gingrich for that. We need 400 more Bob Dornan's! Si vis pacem, para bellum
CORRECTION: We need 2,000 more Bob Dornan's
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I agree. While I despise the SOB slightly more than the typical Bush,I also don't like seeing him called a coward. Anybody that flies a fighter-bomber on a second flight into an area covered by AAA including SAM missiles is NOT a coward by any definition of the word. This is especially true of a man that was a second rate pilot if you want to be generous of his piloting ability. I guess it would be possible to be so ignorant or so far into denial someone could do it once because they didn't truly understand what they were getting into,but nobody is that ignorant the second time. And "Yes,that DOES make him a war hero." As for his conduct as a POW,I obviously don't approve of it,but I'm not able to slam him for asking for and receiving special care because he was an Admiral's son,either. He was in a lot of pain after being broken up while ejecting after being shot down,and then beaten when dragged out of the water. I can't say that if I had been in his position that I wouldn't have done the same thing. I am MUCH less charitable about his conduct as a POW after his wounds had been treated,though. It was and is inexcusable and he should have faced formal charges of giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Just like his conduct as a US Senator. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Exactly, Pete.
There was a "gentleman's Agreement" amongst the POW officers in Hanoi to stick together and pretend none of them cooperated with the communists "for the good of the service". It has been written that this was proposed by the senior Admiral (Stockdale?) at the Hanoi Hilton but not an actual order because no one can be ordered to lie to a formal Inquiry Board. AFAIK,the only POW's ever charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy were enlisted swine. The officers gathered in a circle of solidarity around each other to keep any of them from being charged. It should be noted that with ONE exception ALL the US POW's held in Hanoi were officers. That one exception was a seaman that fell overboard during flight operations,and was later rescued by a North Vietnamese fishing boat. Ironically enough,he ended up being one of the biggest heros there because the NVA also thought enlisted swine were stupid,so they didn't pay much attention to what he was doing as he worked under NVA direction as their man-servant. NOBODY is more class-conscious than communists. Nobody. Anyhow,because they though enlisted people were stupid,this one enlisted guy was able to circulate lists of names and health conditions of the POW's that were being held,as well as smuggle messages/orders from Stockdale to the other POW's. I am sorry to say I can't remember his name now. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
AFAIK,the only POW's ever charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy were enlisted swine. The officers gathered in a circle of solidarity around each other to keep any of them from being charged. Yup! From memory from either my copy of the officer's code or The UCMJ from many years ago: approximately "It should always be remembered that the enlisted man's values values are not apt to be the same as an officer's. This difference will create a breach between you. " That line of difference and standing was constantly shoved down men's throats.
“John McCain's actions and behavior as a POW were characterized by courage, integrity, patriotism and honor. I know. I was there with him, sometimes face to face. You make a big deal about him breaking under torture, well we ALL broke in varying degrees, sometimes more than once. "(CAPT Jerry Coffee USN (Ret.) )
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#2. To: out damned spot (#0)
#3. To: out damned spot (#0)
#4. To: jeremiad (#3)
#5. To: rlk, out damned spot (#2)
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He tore up an air craft carrier too. Pilots used to have a spirited joke where they injected fuel into their engines and shot fire out the back. McCain pulled it and set fire to the planes and pilots waiting for takeoff in back of him producing enormous damage. Had he not been a admiral's kid, he would have been sentenced to time in barbed wire village. As it was, he was merely transferred to another carrier.
The 1967 USS Forrestal fire was a devastating fire and series of chain-reaction explosions on 29 July 1967, that killed 134 sailors and injured 161 on the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal(CVA-59), after an electrical anomaly discharged a Zuni rocket on the flight deck. Forrestal was engaged in combat operations in the Gulf of Tonkin during the Vietnam War at the time, and the damage exceeded US$72 million (equivalent to $509 million today) not including the damage to aircraft. Future United States Senator John McCain was among the survivors.
A drawing of the stern of Forrestal
showing the spotting of aircraft at the
time. Likely source of the Zuni was F-4
No. 110. White's and McCain's aircraft
(A-4s No. 405 and 416, respectively)
are in the right hand circle.
#6. To: Gatlin (#5)
There are emails floating around that the Forrestal fire started when McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.
#7. To: TooConservative (#6)
(Edited)
Just because we hate him as a slimy pol doesn't mean he was the cause of a bad accident on a carrier.
#8. To: TooConservative (#6)
#9. To: All (#8)
(Edited)
Conclusion
#10. To: jeremiad (#3)
" B-1 Bob a true American loving patriot, thrown under the bus by Newt Gingrich and the Ne0-clowns. Loved that man, what was done to him with illegal votes and Republican complicity was what turned me from the Right, to the RIGHT. "
#11. To: All (#10)
#12. To: TooConservative (#6)
While it is fun and fitting to despise McStain politically, I think blaming him for Forrestal is kinda phony.
#13. To: sneakypete (#12)
#14. To: out damned spot (#8)
(Edited)
I remember his fellow POWs talking about his service though. He betrayed the entire Navy pacific fleet by giving the Cong their modus operandi. That I mind. They sacrificed to help McCane and he sold them down the drain. Also, his injuries were not torture. They were ejection injuries because didn't follow proper procedure taught by the Navy.
#15. To: sneakypete (#14)
(Edited)
There was a "gentleman's Agreement" amongst the POW officers in Hanoi to stick together and pretend none of them cooperated with the communists "for the good of the service". It has been written that this was proposed by the senior Admiral (Stockdale?) at the Hanoi Hilton but not an actual order because no one can be ordered to lie to a formal Inquiry Board.
#16. To: out damned spot (#0)
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