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Title: John Mccain Exposed By Vietnam Vets And Pows
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hr37eE0nO8&feature=youtu.be
Published: Jul 18, 2015
Author: iwsou
Post Date: 2015-07-18 23:33:56 by out damned spot
Keywords: McCain, Pows, vets
Views: 6083
Comments: 16
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John McCain betrayed his fellow POWs.
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McClown is running for his apparently 108th term in the US Senate. (OK, I exaggerate)
Mark Levin on Friday interviewed Kelli Ward who is going to challenge the good Senator.
It would be nice if the people of AZ woke up and sent this clown into retirement, but expect Hades to freeze over first.
#2. To: out damned spot (#0)
He tore up an air craft carrier too. Pilots used to have a spirited joke where they injected fuel into their engines and shot fire out the back. McCain pulled it and set fire to the planes and pilots waiting for takeoff in back of him producing enormous damage. Had he not been a admiral's kid, he would have been sentenced to time in barbed wire village. As it was, he was merely transferred to another carrier.
#3. To: out damned spot (#0)
B-1 Bob a true American loving patriot, thrown under the bus by Newt Gingrich and the Ne0-clowns. Loved that man, what was done to him with illegal votes and Republican complicity was what turned me from the Right, to the RIGHT.
#4. To: jeremiad (#3)
Here is Bob Dornan at 14.
#5. To: rlk, out damned spot (#2) (Edited)
He tore up an air craft carrier too. Pilots used to have a spirited joke where they injected fuel into their engines and shot fire out the back. McCain pulled it and set fire to the planes and pilots waiting for takeoff in back of him producing enormous damage. Had he not been a admiral's kid, he would have been sentenced to time in barbed wire village. As it was, he was merely transferred to another carrier.
There are emails floating around that the Forrestal fire started when McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.
Here is one account of the incident:
The 1967 USS Forrestal fire was a devastating fire and series of chain-reaction explosions on 29 July 1967, that killed 134 sailors and injured 161 on the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal(CVA-59), after an electrical anomaly discharged a Zuni rocket on the flight deck. Forrestal was engaged in combat operations in the Gulf of Tonkin during the Vietnam War at the time, and the damage exceeded US$72 million (equivalent to $509 million today) not including the damage to aircraft. Future United States Senator John McCain was among the survivors. |
Another account of the incident:
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#6. To: Gatlin (#5)
There are emails floating around that the Forrestal fire started when McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.
While it is fun and fitting to despise McStain politically, I think blaming him for Forrestal is kinda phony. I've never seen credible proof that he was doing anything in his plane while awaiting his launch. After Stain opposed doing anything more to account for MIA/POWs back in the early Nineties, this Forrestal incident got dragged out to try to blame him for it.
Just because we hate him as a slimy pol doesn't mean he was the cause of a bad accident on a carrier.
#7. To: TooConservative (#6) (Edited)
Just because we hate him as a slimy pol doesn't mean he was the cause of a bad accident on a carrier.
Exactly! Enough truth can be said about him, there is no need to spread malicious unfounded rumors.
Edit Add: It is amazing how some will lock onto the first thing they read and want to believe….then spread it without ever fact checking to find it is completely wrong. If someone is bad, then there are enough facts out there to present and unfounded rumors are therefore not needed.
#8. To: TooConservative (#6)
I don't think McCain was responsible for the Forrestal.
I remember his fellow POWs talking about his service though. He betrayed the entire Navy pacific fleet by giving the Cong their modus operandi. That I mind. They sacrificed to help McCane and he sold them down the drain. Also, his injuries were not torture. They were ejection injuries because didn't follow proper procedure taught by the Navy.
Hopefully, some of his fellow POWs are sti
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
#9. To: All (#8) (Edited)
ConclusionTrump actually said the opposite of what the Post lead sentence and video caption claim. The Post might have been able to get away stating that Trump “implied” McCain was not a war hero because McCain was captured, but even that would have been a subjective interpretation since Trump had actually stated the opposite.
It’s true that Trump stated one time that McCain is not a war hero. But Trump stated four times that McCain is a war hero–and that was not accurately characterized in the article.
For interpreting and characterizing Trump’s true quote in a way that is at best questionable, and for selectively using some quotes and leaving others out, the Post receives Two Little Devils. (Ratings scale at end of article.)
TWITTER: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1m1 minute ago Wow, @SharylAttkisson just wrote the definitive piece on what I said about John McCain.
https://sharylattkisson.com/fact-check-the-washington- post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain/
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
#10. To: jeremiad (#3)
" B-1 Bob a true American loving patriot, thrown under the bus by Newt Gingrich and the Ne0-clowns. Loved that man, what was done to him with illegal votes and Republican complicity was what turned me from the Right, to the RIGHT. "
You are correct. What a shame. I will never forgive Gingrich for that.
We need 400 more Bob Dornan's!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#11. To: All (#10)
CORRECTION: We need 2,000 more Bob Dornan's
Si vis pacem, para bellum
#12. To: TooConservative (#6)
While it is fun and fitting to despise McStain politically, I think blaming him for Forrestal is kinda phony.
I agree. While I despise the SOB slightly more than the typical Bush,I also don't like seeing him called a coward. Anybody that flies a fighter-bomber on a second flight into an area covered by AAA including SAM missiles is NOT a coward by any definition of the word. This is especially true of a man that was a second rate pilot if you want to be generous of his piloting ability. I guess it would be possible to be so ignorant or so far into denial someone could do it once because they didn't truly understand what they were getting into,but nobody is that ignorant the second time.
And "Yes,that DOES make him a war hero."
As for his conduct as a POW,I obviously don't approve of it,but I'm not able to slam him for asking for and receiving special care because he was an Admiral's son,either. He was in a lot of pain after being broken up while ejecting after being shot down,and then beaten when dragged out of the water. I can't say that if I had been in his position that I wouldn't have done the same thing.
I am MUCH less charitable about his conduct as a POW after his wounds had been treated,though. It was and is inexcusable and he should have faced formal charges of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Just like his conduct as a US Senator.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#13. To: sneakypete (#12)
Exactly, Pete.
#14. To: out damned spot (#8) (Edited)
I remember his fellow POWs talking about his service though. He betrayed the entire Navy pacific fleet by giving the Cong their modus operandi. That I mind. They sacrificed to help McCane and he sold them down the drain. Also, his injuries were not torture. They were ejection injuries because didn't follow proper procedure taught by the Navy.
There was a "gentleman's Agreement" amongst the POW officers in Hanoi to stick together and pretend none of them cooperated with the communists "for the good of the service". It has been written that this was proposed by the senior Admiral (Stockdale?) at the Hanoi Hilton but not an actual order because no one can be ordered to lie to a formal Inquiry Board.
AFAIK,the only POW's ever charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy were enlisted swine. The officers gathered in a circle of solidarity around each other to keep any of them from being charged.
It should be noted that with ONE exception ALL the US POW's held in Hanoi were officers. That one exception was a seaman that fell overboard during flight operations,and was later rescued by a North Vietnamese fishing boat. Ironically enough,he ended up being one of the biggest heros there because the NVA also thought enlisted swine were stupid,so they didn't pay much attention to what he was doing as he worked under NVA direction as their man-servant. NOBODY is more class-conscious than communists. Nobody.
Anyhow,because they though enlisted people were stupid,this one enlisted guy was able to circulate lists of names and health conditions of the POW's that were being held,as well as smuggle messages/orders from Stockdale to the other POW's. I am sorry to say I can't remember his name now.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#15. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited)
There was a "gentleman's Agreement" amongst the POW officers in Hanoi to stick together and pretend none of them cooperated with the communists "for the good of the service". It has been written that this was proposed by the senior Admiral (Stockdale?) at the Hanoi Hilton but not an actual order because no one can be ordered to lie to a formal Inquiry Board.AFAIK,the only POW's ever charged with giving aid and comfort to the enemy were enlisted swine. The officers gathered in a circle of solidarity around each other to keep any of them from being charged.
Yup! From memory from either my copy of the officer's code or The UCMJ from many years ago: approximately "It should always be remembered that the enlisted man's values values are not apt to be the same as an officer's. This difference will create a breach between you. " That line of difference and standing was constantly shoved down men's throats.
#16. To: out damned spot (#0)
“John McCain's actions and behavior as a POW were characterized by courage, integrity, patriotism and honor. I know. I was there with him, sometimes face to face. You make a big deal about him breaking under torture, well we ALL broke in varying degrees, sometimes more than once. "(CAPT Jerry Coffee USN (Ret.) )
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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