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Title: Is Trump Really In First Place?
Source: FlashReport
URL Source: http://www.flashreport.org/blog/201 ... s-trump-really-in-first-place/
Published: Jul 15, 2015
Author: Arnold Steinberg
Post Date: 2015-07-16 00:35:34 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 4023
Comments: 41

The Republican National Committee and networks want to limit debates to the top ten presidential candidates, based on averaging polling results from five different national surveys. In a prior column, I explained how this approach is unfair because debate performance drives polls, not the other way around. Also, early national surveys are especially volatile and hardly predictive of finalists. Finally, equally averaging the apples and oranges of surveys with different size (and limited) samples, and quite varied and even dubious methodologies. produces strange vegetables indeed.

And in another column, I dissected one much publicized and deeply flawed specific national survey – the Wall Street Journal/NBC poll and showed how its results were unreliable, if not preposterous.

To participate in a debate, all candidates should at least (a) be announced and (b) agree to back the party’s nominee. But if the RNC will primarily use polling as the criterion, I concluded the best approach would be a first debate that consists of two equal status debates on consecutive nights, thus two news cycles. Night one would feature candidates 1,3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, and 15; and the second night would feature candidates 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, and 16. Besides the obvious fairness of offering all sixteen candidates equivalent exposure, this approach also means that Donald Trump could suck up the oxygen at only one debate.

Now comes a much-vaunted USA Today/Suffolk University Poll widely reported on networks that shows Trump “surging” to a first place lead of 17 percent, compared to a distant 2 percent in the last USA Today poll. Trump likely has increased his ballot strength, even dramatically, but this much? CNN has reported this story repeatedly, because its agenda is to feature Trump and divide the Republican Party.

The television pundits authoritatively and disingenuously say Trump’s 3-percent margin over Jeb Bush, at 14 percent, is “within sampling error.” But there’s much more to say about problems with this survey that is making national headlines.

This survey’s sampling distribution by region, race and age is based on the 2010 census, which is dated and also not even relevant, because it hardly is indicative of overall turnout, certainly not of Republican turnout. If you are not defining the universe correctly, the survey is suspect. A sample correctly drawn from the wrong universe obviously does not represent reality. But let’s pretend the universe is correct and look at the sample.

The sample is of 1000 “adults,” not voters, verified or not. At most, only 85 percent of those adults actually are registered to vote, and at most only 65 percent of those actual voters would vote in a primary. That means at most only 51 percent (.85 x. 65) of these one thousand adults, or any adult grouping within it, are relevant to the primary elections.

The survey of “adults” relies on self-identification of Republicans, not actual voter registration. Worse, it adds independent “adults” who merely claim they would vote in a Republican primary, even if in some states with a closed primary they would be ineligible to vote. Regardless, the total claimed is 349 adults who are supposed Republican primary voters.

Significantly, when we apply our conservative 51 percent assumption, that 349 becomes only 178 even possible Republican primary voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus about 7.5%. That’s sampling error, not errors arising from flaws. Remember, we don’t even know if the universe from which the sample is drawn is really appropriate.

Regardless, that “statistical” theoretical margin of error doesn’t tell the full story. The interviewers tried to minimize bias by rotating the order of the 16 candidates. Thus, for the 178 respondents, we have only about 11 per rotation pattern. That’s hardly enough to allow for unknown reaction to each sequence of candidates.

Finally, if all that were not enough, this survey was conducted from Thursday/ July 9 through Sunday, July 12. Friday, Saturday and Sunday generally are less reliable for polling and normally part of an extended study. And during these four specific days, Donald Trump dominated the news. For example, I heard him speak Saturday morning in Las Vegas at the Freedom Fest. He was entertaining and fun and well received. But in the hallways, the libertarians remained skeptical of his crony capitalism. But the media coverage of this event and his Arizona appearance was substantial.

In this USA Today survey, the ballot question includes only names, not senator or governor, so Trump – with high identification, was given a further edge over insufficiently identified elected officials. In reality, Trump may be gaining, possibly at the expense of some conservative candidates and thus ironically helping Jeb Bush. But if and when Trump collapses, those conservative candidates would benefit, but it’s still unclear whether one conservative would emerge against Jeb Bush.

Now if you think I’m too harsh on this particular survey, consider this: the USA Today interviewers asked whether the respondent had heard of several of the presidential candidates. But they asked these ID question after asking the ballot question that mentions the candidate names. Now, that’s oxymoronic.

Donald Trump has enough money to do a poll, and do it right. But why should he?

Arnold Steinberg, strategist and analyst, is the author of graduate texts on politics and media, and a court-recognized expert on quantitative research and media who has taught at Pepperdine’s Graduate School of Public Policy. He has conducted 2000 studies.


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More reasons to question the upcoming poll-based GOP debates, as well as Trump's current polling.

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#22. To: TooConservative (#0) (Edited)

More reasons to question the upcoming poll-based GOP debates, as well as Trump's current polling.

Question all you like... his numbers are as real as any other.

People that are tired of the same old bullshit, uncontrolled spending and agenda based legislation, are fed up. So far Trump is the only candidate that speaks without fear. I respect that.

It's that political silence that generally means a politicians plan to sit the fence and bow down to the minority voice. Trump is willing to cater to the majority on touchy issues, regardless of voting demographics. Trying to please all voters, to gain support is the problem we have in Washington.

Rand has been quiet.... and I know why. Is it politically smart to hold your tounge this early in the game to avoid the kind of libtard backlash that Trumps been getting? Probably.... but I respect him less for it. Either way, anything will be better than another 4 or 8 year term with an agenda based politician. Soon, we will realize that politicians that use the highest office to cater to the black population, or the female population... or the fag population... are not fixing what our greatest problem is.

We need a person that has the agenda of our ECONOMY... that benefit the blacks, females and the fags, along with everyone else. Trump can do that.

For all you that spit at him, you must either like status quo, you're a closet (D)...or have a candidate so unviable that you're blinded frustration. Either or, I personally think everyone in this forum should get behind Trump as a very suitable alternative to KILLary, should he be the (R) rockstar this time next year... and if you don't, you should go post where Meguro posts or some other libtard shithole socialist gathering place for self important people.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-07-16   9:13:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: GrandIsland (#22)

Trump doesn't have staying power .His act will get as old as Christie's . But the GOP field should take a lesson about his message .

Meanwhile Monica Crowley has a good op-ed explaining the Trump surge:

First and most importantly, he unabashedly champions America — and Americans. He has very effectively turned the tables on the left, which has weaponized its agenda against anyone who dares to disagree with it. We are branded as racists, sexists, Islamophobes, homophobes and bigots, while they use the full force of government to force compliance. Most Americans are sick of being turned into the enemy, stripped of both our hard-earned money to pay for the leftist agenda and our ability to feel good about ourselves in our own country. Further, by turning what Hillary Clinton calls “everyday Americans” into the enemy, the left has made it harder to see and deal with our real enemies, such as the Islamic State, Iran, Russia and the Muslim Brotherhood. The subtext of Mr. Trump’s message? Stop making us the enemy. That’s immensely powerful.

Second, he is unapologetic. He has refused to cave in to the leftist mafia- style intimidation racket, which gins up faux outrage and applies public pressure for an apology. After Mr. Trump’s comments about Mexico, the predictable outrage cycle began, and some of his business partners dumped him. And yet, he refused to apologize, because he was largely correct: A whopping 71 percent of non-American citizens in federal prisons are from Mexico, while Mexican criminals make up a stunning 16 percent of all convicts serving time in federal penitentiaries. That’s a major burden for the American taxpayer and a dangerous situation for us all. Mr. Trump doesn’t give in to the leftist mob — and neither should the other candidates.

Third, he fights back. His comments on illegal immigration stirred great controversy, but they were simply one part of his broader message that America is slipping away quickly — at the hands of the professional political class that cares more about retaining power than it does about the American people. Many voters believe the 2016 election is the last chance to save the country before it slides under the waves of statism. Mr. Trump gives voice to that anger, fear and frustration — and conveys the will to push back. His campaign slogan sums it up: “Make America great again.”

Fourth, he is the anti-politician. When Mr. Trump says “China is eating our lunch,” “I respect Mexico greatly as a country. But the problem we have is their leaders are much sharper than ours, and they’re killing us at the border and they’re killing us on trade,” and “I would take [the Islamic State] out so fast,” those “everyday Americans” hear truth and action, two things largely missing from the governing class. Details are thin as to how he would accomplish those things, but so what? Hillary Clinton isn’t exactly bursting with policy details at this point, either.

Lastly, he is anti-establishment. Many conservative voters feel utterly betrayed by a Republican establishment that has relentlessly marginalized them, their candidates and their beliefs. Mr. Trump is telling the base that he hears and shares its concerns. Last week, Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee, asked Mr. Trump to “tone it down.” Mr. Trump responded with a massive rally in Phoenix at which he said illegal immigrants “flow in like water.” The more others, such as fellow candidates Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and Rick Perry, criticize Mr. Trump, the more “establishment” they appear to the base, and the more support Mr. Trump receives.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/15/monica-crowley-the-real-reasons- donald-trump-is-su/#!

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#25. To: tomder55 (#23)

Fourth, he is the anti-politician. When Mr. Trump says “China is eating our lunch,” “I respect Mexico greatly as a country. But the problem we have is their leaders are much sharper than ours, and they’re killing us at the border and they’re killing us on trade,” and “I would take [the Islamic State] out so fast,” those “everyday Americans” hear truth and action, two things largely missing from the governing class. Details are thin as to how he would accomplish those things, but so what? Hillary Clinton isn’t exactly bursting with policy details at this point, either.

Trump lives in New York and listens and is a guest on plenty of AM talk radio shows and on FOX tv comment shows back in the day. He probably listens to what the callers are saying and re-packages the message - what any good business man would do - see what the demand is and fill it.

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